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GDT: The 2020 TDL Thread: Part II
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Have you ever seen the Mike Zaun videos on YouTube? He does a great Francesa impression
Cmox
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During the presser they both said the accident had no effect on the trades. I sorta think that’s the truth and you’re right about Georgiev otoh maybe they were Luke warm on trading buch and said f*** it after the accident ?
aufheben
#Norris4Fox
Barring a drop in performance, theres no reason why he wouldn't fetch just as much at the draft.
JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
Twenty f*ckin years
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If the team were actually shit then I wouldn’t judge. Last year, sure. I was right there with people rooting for the tank.
But this is the youngest team in the league, who has taken their game to another level down the stretch...rooting against them in this situation is missing the forest for the trees. The team has improved. For anyone who doesn’t realize, that’s a GOOD thing. And rooting for losses so we can maybe get the 8th pick is just sad in my eyes, but if that’s the way you wanna live, go for it. Just know that no NHL front office will ever agree with you, and adjust your expectations accordingly.
Honestly I think they want to keep him and Igor. I have a feeling this is the end of the road for Hank
JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
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And unfortunately time prevented him from trading for a 35 year old under contract for 6 more years.Lou got ripped off twice in a couple hours.
Maximus
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I agree...it was a good move for them as like you said, he is a very nice fit as he can kill penalties and he has some offensive skills which they desperately needed.
Do I think it's a move that will make them Cup contenders? Absolutely not from what I've seen of all the teams but I do think it pretty much insures they will be in the playoffs.
As far as them winning a round in the playoffs it depends upon who they'd play obviously tho if I had a gun to my head, I'd bet the Isles would be one and done!.
I can't wait for the year maybe as soon as next, when we can face them in the playoffs because trust me as I've been around when the Rangers and Islanders played each other every year in the playoffs from 1979 to 1984, there is nothing and I do mean NOTHING like a Ranger Islander playoff series when both teams are good and have aspirations of winning a Cup.
I'd bet 50% maybe even more of the peeps here on our board haven't ever experienced what a Ranger Islander series feels like seeing they are too young or weren't even born yet. Trust me when I say this, it's a friggen treat as for any playoff series you might have experienced in the past decade, it's going to be 10 x's more intense than that!!
JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
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Islanders would need picture perfect matchups, amazing luck, and opposing teams suffering massive injuries for them to even have a shot at winning the cup.
I would legitimately say that this Rangers roster (w/ Igor healthy) would be more of a threat in the playoffs than that Isles roster. Their lack of overall talent is noticeable and will sink them against superior teams. Trotz’s system can only get that team so far.
I would legitimately say that this Rangers roster (w/ Igor healthy) would be more of a threat in the playoffs than that Isles roster. Their lack of overall talent is noticeable and will sink them against superior teams. Trotz’s system can only get that team so far.
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Well then you should probably understand where I'm coming from when I say, yeah, I'd like to lose to get one more top pick. It's not "rooting to fail."
I mean, I think the opposite is missing the forest for the trees. I actually realize and acknowledge this team is on the upswing, fast. I think there's no way this team isn't a strong playoff contender barring some unforeseen move this offseason. The playoffs and winning down the stretch and getting experience gelling together, all that is coming, and it's coming soon, and it's irreversible. No one is advocating a 5 year tankathon of bottoming out (or at least, I'm not) (and I think that's where much of the resistance to my position is coming from).
I think we aren't good enough to win anything of subtance this year, I think we are on an unstoppable course to playoff relevance, though, so I think all those arguments about the team needing to stop losing so they don't become the Oilers or Sabres, all that is gonna be fulfilled next year (or worst case the year after).
I just think we had (have?) one more chance to capitalize on our assets to acquire some more Kravtsov and Chytil - level talents, and I am not thrilled that we chose Kreider over that opportunity.
As I've said, I think we need more talents of that level and I think there are still paths out there to accomplish it, it's just harder now.
One of those paths, now that we are locked in on Kreider and we don't have the extra ammo, is .... we can lose.
Seems like the most obvious way. So I'm for it.
Of course it's a good thing that the team looks like it's on the upswing. I can't wait till I can go back to actually wanting and hoping for them to win every game next year. I watch with my 3 year old son and it's gonna be great to have that together for this next team iteration.
But I just think we need one more offseason of talent acquisition at forward. And the high draft is the best place to get it. Nothing "rooting for failure" about that.
We have two first rounders this year to stack up at forward in a deep draft. I dont think resigning Kreider has all of a sudden made us unable to keep building with youth. I admit I didn’t expect this quick of a jump but I’m not unhappy about it at all. LGR!!!
PuckLuck3043
Stairway To Heaven
Oh I know the feeling. I'm older too and have experienced every playoff series they have played against each other. There is nothing like it and a major reason why I hate them and their fan base so much. A lot of posters on here haven't experienced it and just don't understand the intensity and hate. To me the Rangers-Devils rivalry pales in comparison to what Rangers-Isles were in that 79-84 span.
BleedinBLUEsince92
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Here’s the thing I think people who were wishing for one more top pick are missing. We aren’t missing top talent. We have two already in Zibanejad and Panarin. Both can be good for at least 80 points. We also potentially have another in Kakko, drafted second overall. So we have an 80 point first line center (on pace for 102 over 82 games), a guy who’s top 5 in scoring in the the entire NHL, and a 19 year old second overall. Would another top five pick have been nice? Sure. But it’s a want NOT a need.
This team makeup doesn’t resemble the issues the previous teams had which was finding the top guns. If anything, the team now lacks what was once our strong point, depth. You don’t need a top 5 pick to find depth. We still have Lunkvist, Miller, and Kravtsov and that’s not including whoever we take with our next two firsts. That’s five more first rounders potentially coming to the team eventually.
In my opinion the team just needs to stock up on scoring wingers to fill out the depth because I doubt we can keep Strome AND Buchnevich so we will need to find replacements. Whether that be from the draft or trade as we may have a glut of NHL defenseman in a year or two if a few pan out as expected.
This team makeup doesn’t resemble the issues the previous teams had which was finding the top guns. If anything, the team now lacks what was once our strong point, depth. You don’t need a top 5 pick to find depth. We still have Lunkvist, Miller, and Kravtsov and that’s not including whoever we take with our next two firsts. That’s five more first rounders potentially coming to the team eventually.
In my opinion the team just needs to stock up on scoring wingers to fill out the depth because I doubt we can keep Strome AND Buchnevich so we will need to find replacements. Whether that be from the draft or trade as we may have a glut of NHL defenseman in a year or two if a few pan out as expected.
Something tells me the Rangers will package those firsts to move up come draft day.
Possibly. it depends where we end up. It is a deep draft so I would love to get two really good talents in the first round but if they move up to draft a bigtime player in for it
JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
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I think we’ll use one or both to make a roster move to improve.
Maybe a top LHD. Maybe a C.
Lindholm is a guy I’d be looking at pretty hard. Think he fits this team like a glove, would be an incredible partner for either Tony D or Trouba.
Don’t know how willing Anaheim is to move him, but that’s a team that’ll probably be tearing it down to the studs. He may be available for the right price.
you might get what you want anyway with Igor going down. If they lose some of the next few games they’ll drop right out of contention and we’ll still have signed Kreider
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EdJovanovski
#FreeRempe
Was at work all day so here’s my thoughts now. I'm glad about the subtractions of Skjei & Keane increasing the likelihood we do manage to keep DeAngelo. However, I am a fan of Skjei and it seems my assessment was more accurate than many who tried making the outrageous claim that he had negative value due to his contract. I was certain a big young man who can skate like he does would be valued by other GM’s and I see him being the perfect candidate for a player who excels under another coaching structure and us kicking ourselves in the butt. Left hand D is also our greatest weakness on the roster and the move is a little odd considering the fact we kept everyone else which signifies we are trying to push for that playoff spot.
I was certain Kreider would come in at 7M AAV minimum, so I’m very pleased with the dollar amount. Would’ve preferred something like 4 years but if it couldn’t be done it couldn’t be done. He had to cash out on his last major contract and he clearly wanted to stay here. He has incredible chemistry with this team on and off the ice, is a natural leader, intelligent, and possesses a sickening work ethic that will rub off on all the younger guys. I do think it’s important to keep somebody from the 2014 run. As someone who grew up playing hockey and dealing with a lot of different lockerroom dynamics, I absolutely see the merit in “muh intangibles” that the more analytics-based crowd love to bash. They matter, character matters, a winning culture matters. The results are abundantly clear on this.
The Shesterkin & Buchnevich car crash was absolutely terrifying, when I’d first heard John Davidson speak I was under the impression they had died. Flashbacks to Cherapanov. This franchise has had so many bizarre circumstances, a comical level of bad luck at times, and some beautiful moments that came right out of a story book. The Rangers rallying around MSL losing his mother, him scoring on Mother’s Day, ahhh. Sometimes I feel like there’s some sort of divine intervention at play here, and just perhaps this was meant to be. A kid who grew up idolizing Lundqvist, taking over and carrying this team on a dominant run down the stretch to push for a playoff spot, he tragically gets in a car crash, Henrik who has just been scratched for the first time in his HOF career and being told he’s pretty much finished I’m sure he’s not happy and that competitive spirit has a little gas in the tank; comes back and takes us on one last run at the cup. Mika/Kreider/Staal refuse to lift it until Hank does. That would be a storybook ending to his career. Maybe I just have a wild imagination
I was certain Kreider would come in at 7M AAV minimum, so I’m very pleased with the dollar amount. Would’ve preferred something like 4 years but if it couldn’t be done it couldn’t be done. He had to cash out on his last major contract and he clearly wanted to stay here. He has incredible chemistry with this team on and off the ice, is a natural leader, intelligent, and possesses a sickening work ethic that will rub off on all the younger guys. I do think it’s important to keep somebody from the 2014 run. As someone who grew up playing hockey and dealing with a lot of different lockerroom dynamics, I absolutely see the merit in “muh intangibles” that the more analytics-based crowd love to bash. They matter, character matters, a winning culture matters. The results are abundantly clear on this.
The Shesterkin & Buchnevich car crash was absolutely terrifying, when I’d first heard John Davidson speak I was under the impression they had died. Flashbacks to Cherapanov. This franchise has had so many bizarre circumstances, a comical level of bad luck at times, and some beautiful moments that came right out of a story book. The Rangers rallying around MSL losing his mother, him scoring on Mother’s Day, ahhh. Sometimes I feel like there’s some sort of divine intervention at play here, and just perhaps this was meant to be. A kid who grew up idolizing Lundqvist, taking over and carrying this team on a dominant run down the stretch to push for a playoff spot, he tragically gets in a car crash, Henrik who has just been scratched for the first time in his HOF career and being told he’s pretty much finished I’m sure he’s not happy and that competitive spirit has a little gas in the tank; comes back and takes us on one last run at the cup. Mika/Kreider/Staal refuse to lift it until Hank does. That would be a storybook ending to his career. Maybe I just have a wild imagination
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Buyout Staal
Henrik retires
Lundkvist, later 1st, B prospect (Barron/Pajuniemi), B.Smith (50%) for Lindholm + Silfverberg
Strome 4 x 4.75
ADA 5 x 5.5
Lemieux 2 x 1.8
Georgiev 2 x 1.5
Kreider Zib Buch
Panarin Strome Kakko
Silfverberg Chytil Kravstov
Lemieux Howden Gauthier
= ~42
Lindholm Trouba
Lindgren Fox
Rykov/Hajek ADA
= ~21.5
Igor
Georgiev
= ~2.5
Staal buyout
Girardi buyout
Shattenkirk buyout
Spooner buyout (bought out my EDM)
= ~13.2
Extra roster spot = ~1.5
Extra fluid cap = ~1.3
Total = 80
Could even go with slightly more expensive short term vets in 4C and 3LD if the cap is actually at 83+
That team could not only make the playoffs, but make some noise
Henrik retires
Lundkvist, later 1st, B prospect (Barron/Pajuniemi), B.Smith (50%) for Lindholm + Silfverberg
Strome 4 x 4.75
ADA 5 x 5.5
Lemieux 2 x 1.8
Georgiev 2 x 1.5
Kreider Zib Buch
Panarin Strome Kakko
Silfverberg Chytil Kravstov
Lemieux Howden Gauthier
= ~42
Lindholm Trouba
Lindgren Fox
Rykov/Hajek ADA
= ~21.5
Igor
Georgiev
= ~2.5
Staal buyout
Girardi buyout
Shattenkirk buyout
Spooner buyout (bought out my EDM)
= ~13.2
Extra roster spot = ~1.5
Extra fluid cap = ~1.3
Total = 80
Could even go with slightly more expensive short term vets in 4C and 3LD if the cap is actually at 83+
That team could not only make the playoffs, but make some noise
JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
Twenty f*ckin years
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I would imagine the discussions went like this:
“Hey Brad saw Johnny left practice, available?”
“Nah lol he just had to pee”
“Ah ite well you want Buch?”
“No, not really”
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