The 1988 Red Wings-Oilers Conference Final

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Obviously the upstart Detroit Red Wings, led by a young Steve Yzerman were no match for the defending Stanley Cup champion Edmonton Oilers. However, there was a much publicized incident (in Edmonton I believe), after losing to the Oilers and being down 3-1 in the series, some of the Red Wings players (Probert, Kocur, and others) decided to party all night before Game 5. Red Wings management were furious with the team. What kind of punishments were given to the players that partook in the late night partying? Did Probert and Kocur even play the final game in Edmonton. It was big news at the time, but it's been so long that I cannot recall specifics. In 2012, a similar incident occurred with Radulov and Kostitsyn broke curfew before game 2 in Phoenix, but did not really compare to the incident with the Wings. Does anyone remember this?
 
SPORTS PEOPLE; Red Wings Apologize
Published: May 14, 1988

Saying the incident was a blemish on the entire organization, Coach Jacques Demers issued an open letter to the fans yesterday as a public apology for the six Detroit Red Wing players he said he and his assistants caught drinking long after curfew hours last Tuesday.

The six - Bob Probert, Petr Klima, John Chabot, Joe Kocur, Darren Veitch and Darren Eliot - were seen drinking the night before the Red Wings lost the deciding game to the Edmonton Oilers in their National Hockey League semifinal series.

''As head coach, I take full responsibility for the actions of these players,'' Demers said. ''Nonetheless, they did hurt the team and its supporters and appropriate action will be taken to insure that this sort of thing doesn't happen again.'' Earlier in the day, the club said no decision had been made on punishing the players.(AP)

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/05/14/sports/sports-people-red-wings-apologize.html
 
Predators take big chance by suspending Alexander Radulov and Andrei Kostitsyn

It isn’t exactly unheard of, missing curfew, and partying the night before playoff games — though frowned upon — wasn’t always a suspendable offence.

In 1988, a pair of well-known imbibers, Petr Klima and Bob Probert, a recovering alcoholic, escaped the Detroit Red Wings’ team hotel in Edmonton to tear it up at a now-defunct joint named Goose Loonie’s before Game 5 of a Campbell Conference final against the Oilers.

Neil Smith, then the Wings’ assistant GM, and Colin Campbell, who was Jacques Demers’ assistant coach at the time, went looking for Klima and Probert and found them. Darren Veitch, John Chabot, Joey Kocur, Darren Eliot and two others were also out, according to the Detroit papers. The story didn’t break until after the game, so everyone played (though Klima was out with a broken thumb) but Detroit lost 8-4.

And though Demers had strong, bitter words for the miscreants and later apologized to fans for his players’ conduct, the incident — and the Wings’ five-games-and-out defeat — likely cost him his job.

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/ta...ending-alexander-radulov-and-andrei-kostitsyn
 
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WINGS LOST MUCH MORE THAN A GAME
by Mitch Albom | Nov 21, 2008 | Detroit Free Press | 0 comments

EDMONTON, Alberta — Long before the puck was dropped here Wednesday night, before the Detroit hockey season saw its sad and bitter conclusion with that final 8-4 loss to Edmonton, there was a crack in the heart of this Red Wings team. It may take a long, long time to mend.
We are talking about an incident that left half the team angry, and its coach almost numb with disbelief. It is not a story I want to write. It is not a story you want to read — not this morning, when we should be paying tribute to the fine effort of the Wings all year.
On the night before the biggest game of their season, eight Red Wings players went out drinking. Not all together. Not all with the intent of getting drunk. But they stayed out late, well past curfew — a curfew that wasn’t being checked because, as coach Jacques Demers would say: “We never ever thought we’d need to enforce curfew when our team reached the final four of hockey.â€
And one of the culprits was Bob Probert.
This will break your heart. It already broke Demers’. Probert has been battling alcoholism for years. It has tackled him, trashed him, landed him in jail. Yet recently, with the help of medication, he seemed to have it under control. He was playing his best hockey of the year and was Detroit’s top performer against Edmonton.
Yet there he was Tuesday night, less than 24 hours before Game 5 of the Campbell Conference final, at a nightclub called Goose Loonies. He came with Petr Klima (who is out of the lineup with a broken thumb). By all accounts, it was Klima who encouraged Probert to go out, and if that is true, Klima should be so ashamed he should turn in his uniform right now.
“My God, Petr Klima could be ready to play if we reach the finals,†Demers said Wednesday afternoon, his face red with anger and disappointment. “If he keeps the big guy eating ice cream, he might get a chance at it. Instead they do this . . . “
He sighed. He looked like he was going to cry. He talked about how Probert and Darren Veitch returned to the hotel drunk, after an assistant coach found them at the bar. I have never seen news affect Demers like this. He looked as if the police had just knocked on his door and told him his children had been arrested.
“Klima and Bobby could have spent the most wonderful summer of their lives this summer,†Demers said. “People thought so much of them. The way they played this year. All the adulation. Now, they’ll hear about this instead. For one night. One night. It’s not worth it . . . “
“It’s just not worth it.â€
Probert, who was allowed to play by Demers Wednesday night, looked awful on the ice (“God-awful,†Demers said afterwards). He was sluggish. The fire from the earlier games was gone. By the second period, Demers had moved him off the first line and onto the second. What happened? Was it the night before? Was it the knowledge that he had let down his coach, perhaps for the last time?
“It definitely had an effect on our whole team,†said a weary Demers. “We came out flat in the first period. There was a loss of respect going on.
“My first thought when this happened was to send them all home, but I felt I owed it to the fans to put the best team I could out on the ice.â€
OK. Let’s be clear about what happened here. First, remember this was not all the Red Wings, just a handful — reportedly, Klima, Probert, Veitch, John Chabot, Joe Kocur, Darren Eliot and two others.
Having said that, let us say this: Anyone on this team who encourages, accompanies or allows Bob Probert near alcohol is committing an unforgivable crime. The guy has already been junk-heaped by booze. As a fellow human being, you keep him away from the stuff. Then you can worry about the Stanley Cup playoffs. Going out there with a hangover sure isn’t going to help your team’s chances.
Which doesn’t absolve Probert. “Hey, he’s 22,†Demers said, sighing. “He’s an adult. Nobody had to twist his arm.â€
One night. The night before a game they had played all year to reach. Why do this? For what? Aren’t there dozens of other nights, summer nights, when you can have a few beers and safely enjoy yourself? Demers and the rest of the Wings have worked so hard to build a team that may have lacked superstars but always had heart — a heart that never seemed to beat louder than on Monday night at Joe Louis Arena, in a breathtaking 4-3 overtime loss to the Oilers.
Just two nights later, the heart was slashed, the character wounded.
“Do you think the players involved in this incident just said, ‘Well, we can’t win this series,’ after Monday?†Demers was asked. “Is that why they did it?â€
He bit his lip.
“If they did, then I don’t want players like that on my team.†When contacted about this, both Klima and Probert denied they were even out Tuesday night. This, despite the fact that Demers had addressed the situation in a team meeting earlier Wednesday. He told his team the press might find out. He told them he would not shield the players involved.
Now. All right. This is not a witch-hunt. No doubt some teams make a practice of drinking the night before games. Fine. But the Wings had rules, an agreement amongst themselves that they would do whatever it took to be at their very best against Edmonton. They certainly were not Wednesday night.
“It put a black cloud over what we accomplished,†said Steve Yzerman, the Wings captain, in the locker room after the game. “It’s not a big thing, but in some ways it is a big thing. I don’t agree with what they did, but we’re all adults. I’m not going to be their babysitter.â€
How sad. These were their rules. Demers’ rules. All the coach has done for these players is treat them with respect, with dignity, with love. He has stuck with Probert longer than most people would, simply because Demers’ father died an alcoholic, and the coach sympathizes. But Tuesday was not the first rule-break by the kid. It was not the second. It was not the third, nor the fifth nor the seventh.
“It’s my biggest disappointment since coming to Detroit,†said Demers, before a game that would only confirm those fears. “It’s totally unprofessional. It hurt me more than anything.â€
In the coming days, we may see the repercussions. Demers vowed to “take some action right away, like tomorrow.†He said he let Probert play Wednesday only because of the innocent guys on the team who wanted nothing more than to win. Guys like Steve Yzerman, who fought all the odds to play again in this series, and Glen Hanlon, who has killed himself emotionally defending against the Oilers, and Brent Ashton, Gerard Gallant, Harold Snepsts, Shawn Burr. Run down the list. Veterans. Young kids. They deserve better than a betrayal from their own ranks. And that is what it was. If you had seen the faces of some of the Red Wings Wednesday, you’d know it was true.
Not the story I wanted to write. Not the one you wanted to read. This Detroit team played gallantly all year, and it should be coming home knowing that everyone gave his best to the end. Instead, the Wings lost the game, they lost the playoff series — and a handful of them lost something more important. They lost trust. They lost spirit. They broke their coach’s heart, and there’s no excusing that.

http://www.mitchalbom.com/wings-lost-much-more-than-a-game/
 
In Probert's book, he said that he and two other Wings were supposed to be taking a pill every day in front of Colin Campbell that would make them nauseous if they drank alcohol, but they had switched it with aspirins from the trainers room, so the team had no idea they were still drinking.

He said that he, Klima and a few other Wings went out for a few drinks most nights, but this night Neil Smith noticed they were gone, found them at the bar, and told them to get back to the hotel. They said they would, but after he left they stayed out drinking longer than usual. The next morning at breakfast, Brent Ashton loudly ripped into Petr Klima about taking Probert out drinking. The Detroit reporter Keith Gave overheard the exchange and went to Demers with the news.

Probert claimed that Demers public condemnation of the incident was throwing the players under a bus to save his own job.
 
Certainly an interesting situation. Sure Detroit probably wouldn't win the series if their players didn't do what they did. Still being pro athletes you would expect a higher standard than what we saw there.
 
Obviously the upstart Detroit Red Wings, led by a young Steve Yzerman were no match for the defending Stanley Cup champion Edmonton Oilers.
You know, the Red Wings were actually closer to the Oilers in the 1987 series than the 1988 series, I think. In 1987, they actually won game one in Edmonton, which shocked everyone.

Not counting empty-net goals, the 1987 series was scored only 13 - 10 in favor of Edmonton (by comparison, the Oilers had scored 31 non-empty net goals in a five-game series against L.A. a month earlier).

The '88 series may have gone longer had Yzerman been healthy enough to go (although they didn't win when he came back).
 
Partying and breaking curfew was the norm in those days. I remember Roenick mentioning that lifestyle in his book. Imagine if they had cell phones and social media in those days. We'd have so many photos/videos of athletes breaking curfew and doing crazy things on a night out. Easier to get away with it back then without hard evidence.
 
Probert claimed that Demers public condemnation of the incident was throwing the players under a bus to save his own job.


That is a very thought provoking comment. In a way I agree that having a personal matter broadcast to the media would sour a relationship with a coach.
On the other hand, without having the full context of Probert's thoughts on it, as Probert not accepting fault. Maybe the public shaming was intended to be a strong deterrent by Demers.
I was also under the impression that Demers was a players coach, who everyone loved playing for.
 
On the other hand, without having the full context of Probert's thoughts on it, as Probert not accepting fault. Maybe the public shaming was intended to be a strong deterrent by Demers.
It's kind of creepy reading Probert's account of it, as he seemed to be blaming everybody except himself.

When the reporter asked Demers about it, he could have given a denial or refused to comment. I don't know if his comments were meant to be a deterrent, or if he was just frustrated that the players had no self-discipline.
 
It's kind of creepy reading Probert's account of it, as he seemed to be blaming everybody except himself.

When the reporter asked Demers about it, he could have given a denial or refused to comment. I don't know if his comments were meant to be a deterrent, or if he was just frustrated that the players had no self-discipline.

I think I read somewhere that Demers father battled alcoholism, so it's unfair to say Demers was doing this to "throw players under a bus." It could ahve been very personal for him, and as a child of an alcoholic, he probably had very strong personal issues with players drinking in general. I think Demers actually was the one who insisted on bringing in Bryan Fogarty, as he felt he could help him out with his problems, and as a last shot at the NHL.
 
You know the funny thing is I don't even remember that. Either way, I don't think that changed a thing. Even if that never happened and the Wings had Yzerman they aren't beating the Oilers. A bunch of players partying isn't something that is the difference between unseating a dynasty. If you want probably the most famous example of a player's off-ice choices the day before a game effecting the team you look no further than Eugene Robinson in 1999 when the Atlanta Falcons played the Broncos in the Super Bowl. Robinson was given an award that evening - the one before the Super Bowl - for his contributions in the community. Then later that night he is arrested for picking up a hooker in Miami. I think either way the Broncos win as they were the better team and they were repeat champions but the Falcons were coming off a huge victory in the NFC championship knocking off the Vikings and Robinson himself in the Super Bowl allowed an 80 yard touchdown pass from John Elway. So there is always the "what if" attached to that. These Red Wings from 1988, not so much.
 
Totally agree as a Wings fan, even with a fully healthy Yzerman from the start of the series the odds are still incredibly long. It's a good story though (and has lead to decades of good Goose Loonies jokes among fans).
 
Phil Esposito admits in his book that prior to Game 1 of the 1972 Summit Series he spent time making love to his eventual second wife Donna in her own personal hotel room (behind his 1st wife's back). I always wonder if, ahem, that contributed to his sluggish behaviour in that game.
 
Obviously the upstart Detroit Red Wings, led by a young Steve Yzerman were no match for the defending Stanley Cup champion Edmonton Oilers. However, there was a much publicized incident (in Edmonton I believe), after losing to the Oilers and being down 3-1 in the series, some of the Red Wings players (Probert, Kocur, and others) decided to party all night before Game 5. Red Wings management were furious with the team. What kind of punishments were given to the players that partook in the late night partying? Did Probert and Kocur even play the final game in Edmonton. It was big news at the time, but it's been so long that I cannot recall specifics. In 2012, a similar incident occurred with Radulov and Kostitsyn broke curfew before game 2 in Phoenix, but did not really compare to the incident with the Wings. Does anyone remember this?

Lifted from Klima's Wikipedia entry:


Although he was one of Detroit's bigger stars in the late 1980s, Petr Klíma was also a problem for the Red Wings management. That situation came to a head during training camp on Sep 23, 1988, when Detroit suspended Klíma indefinitely, along with Bob Probert, for breaking team rules. At the time of the suspension, the Wings said they would trade Klíma, although this never happened. The team also said it would not take Klíma back until he had his drinking under control. As a result, Klíma missed the start of the 1988–89 season before being reinstated on Oct. 13, 1988, and sent to Adirondack (AHL) on Oct 16, 1988. He finally made his 1988–89 NHL regular-season debut during Detroit's Nov 6, 1988, game vs. Edmonton where he posted an assist. At his first practice with the team, on Nov 5, 1988, Klíma offered a heartfelt apology to his Wings teammates for his earlier behavior, much of which was alcohol-related. During his months back, Klíma roomed with Probert, who was also attempting to beat a drinking problem. Klíma managed to stay clean, but Probert wasn't so lucky as Probert's cocaine addiction got him in further trouble, including a six-month prison term during the next season.


While Klima had a couple of solid years after Detroit threw the hammer down, he didn't seem like the same guy on the ice from those prior three seasons.

It was the beginning of the end for both him and Jacques Demers.
 
Oilers won Game 4 in OT. Could have been a 2-2 series but guess Wings knew 3 in a row was too much to ask.
Yeah, it's interesting to speculate on what might have happened if it had got to 2-2, since Yzerman had just come back from injury after several weeks out. Wings would have really pushed, but in the end I guess they wouldn't have had quite enough to take down the champs.

Oilers' goals of that series are collected here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJLyhGl8K60&t

(The Kurri overtime goal in game 4 is at about 6:05... pretty bad play there by Lee Norwood.)
 
Who would have thought the Red Wings and Winnipeg Jets would be the only two teams to beat the Oilers in the playoffs that year.

Interesting to note that the '87 Oilers and '88 Oilers both had the same record going into the cup finals, 12-2.
 
Who would have thought the Red Wings and Winnipeg Jets would be the only two teams to beat the Oilers in the playoffs that year.

Interesting to note that the '87 Oilers and '88 Oilers both had the same record going into the cup finals, 12-2.

What could ahve been....

If the Jets stuck around in the Norris Division somehow, and the Rockies had stayed in Denver, the Jets could have conceivably went to the Conference Finals at least twice, possibly 3 times. In 1985, the Jets had a stacked team, and if they had not had to get through the Flames and Oilers, I think they would have legitimately had a shot at winning the Conference Final. In 1987, again the Jets had to go through the Alberta teams, while the Red Wings had a cakewalk to the 3rd round.

It's said that Fergie was so obsessed with somehow catching the Oilers that he pulled the trigger on numerous trades that made the Jets a weaker club, most notably the Babych trade, when they went 8-9-3, after their best season ever. After the trade, the Jets took a nosedive, and went 18-38-4, while the Hartford Whalers made their first playoff appearance, and came within an Overtime of advancing to the Conference Final.
 
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