Team Germany right now

[Eye of Ra]

What would be strongest possible team Germany right now?

Thomas Greiss
Philipp Grubauer
Danny aus den Birken

Yannic Seidenberg - Korbinian Holzer
Dennis Seidenberg (injured?) - Sinan Akdag
Frank Hördler - Konrad Abeltshauser
Jonas Muller - Moritz Mueller

Dominik Kahun - Leo Draitsaitl - Tobias Reider
Tom Kuhnhackl - Alexander Barta (ended his national team career?) - Patrick Reimer
Philip Gogulla - Felix Schutz - David Wolf
Daniel Pietta - Brooks Macek - Marcel Mueller

HM: Plachta, Noebels, Mauer, Hager, Pföderl, Ehliz, Eisenschmid, Tiffels, Fauser, Kink...

Have Germany ever been as strong as they are atm?

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[smitty10]

What would be strongest possible team Germany right now?

Thomas Greiss
Philipp Grubauer
Danny aus den Birken

Yannic Seidenberg - Korbinian Holzer
Dennis Seidenberg (injured?) - Sinan Akdag
Frank Hördler - Konrad Abeltshauser
Jonas Muller - Moritz Mueller

Dominik Kahun - Leo Draitsaitl - Tobias Reider
Tom Kuhnhackl - Alexander Barta (ended his national team career?) - Patrick Reimer
Philip Gogulla - Felix Schutz - David Wolf
Daniel Pietta - Brooks Macek - Marcel Mueller

HM: Plachta, Noebels, Mauer, Hager, Pföderl, Ehliz, Eisenschmid, Tiffels, Fauser, Kink...

Have Germany ever been as strong as they are atm?

I remember at one point they had Ehrhoff, Seidenberg, Sulzer, Schubert, Holzer, Sturm, Hecht and Goc. There's not the star power, but Ehrhoff-Seidenberg was a good top pairing and there was a lot of depth there that could play well against NHL competition. Having a guy like Draisaitl may tip the scales towards this current team being better.

Also, wouldn't Marcel Goc still play on that 4th line? He was always a very strong defensive center.

 

[Novacain]

Any chance Bokk could crack the lineup already? 21 points in the Swedish league as a 18 year old season.

 

[Maverick41]

Any chance Bokk could crack the lineup already? 21 points in the Swedish league as a 18 year old season.

No chance that he qualifies for the hypothetical best possible roster right now (though he is getting closer). But depending on who is available, he could have a chance to make the acutal World Championship roster, but it's not a given at this point.

 

[kalle wirsch]

Reimer, Gogulla,Hördler,M.Goc,Barta all retired from the nationalteam.Ma Müller has a heavy knee injurie.I have my doubts that we see Macek again in the nationalteam.
I am curious if the new coach will pick up players like Michaelis, Nico Sturm .
Without NA players

A.d.Birken,Niederberger,Strahlmeyer

Ma.Müller,Jo.Müller
Krupp Reul
Y.Seidenberg,Ebner
Sezemsky Abeltshauser

Hager ,Schütz ,Ehliz
Plachta Pietta D.Wolf
Tiffels Eisenschmid Mauer
Bergmann,Loibl,Pföderl
Fauser Kink

 

[Eye of Ra]

I have my doubts that we see Macek again in the nationalteam.

why is that?

 

[kalle wirsch]

His identification with germany doesn't seem very high ,but that is just my opinion

 

[Boonk]

Forwards have gotten much better for Germany especially with guys like Draisaitl and Kahun. Defense has taken a step back however, Ehrhoff retiring and D. Seidenberg declining and getting ready to retire certainly hurts. Goaltenders are good for the international level.

 

[IamNotADancer]

Germany, on paper, was the strongest in the early 2000s. Kolzig, Sturm, Krupp and Hecht were the absolute backbone of the team. The problem was, more often then not they couldn't participate at the same time or not at all due to the Caps,Blues and Sharks making it pretty far in the playoffs.
Kolzig is criminally underrated and certain people don't realize, in the context of German hockey, he was a generational player.

 

[93LEAFS]

Germany, on paper, was the strongest in the early 2000s. Kolzig, Sturm, Krupp and Hecht were the absolute backbone of the team. The problem was, more often then not they couldn't participate at the same time or not at all due to the Caps,Blues and Sharks making it pretty far in the playoffs.
Kolzig is criminally underrated and certain people don't realize, in the context of German hockey, he was a generational player.

Kolzig pretty much grew up in Canada and was born in South Africa. He was a good player for Germany due to being able to play for them under old IIHF rules (something that wouldn't be permitted today). Draisaitl peak right now is probably the highest among all German players.

 

[Tutu to]

I know there different positions but who is a better prospect Bokk or Seider?

 

[Boonk]

I know there different positions but who is a better prospect Bokk or Seider?

At the moment Bokk is better, but if Seider's development path goes right then look out. 6ft4 right shooting Ds that can skate like he can and play a great two way game dont come around very often.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

Anyone remember Jan Benda?.

 

[IamNotADancer]

Kolzig pretty much grew up in Canada and was born in South Africa. He was a good player for Germany due to being able to play for them under old IIHF rules (something that wouldn't be permitted today). Draisaitl peak right now is probably the highest among all German players.

Koelzig included?

Call me crazy but I don't see Draisaitl winning any significant player award. Koelzig at one point was deemed the best player in his position in a season that included scrub goalies like Hasek, Brodeur, Roy and Belfour.

I just don't see Draisaitl ever reaching those sort of heights.

 

[Vandalay Industries]

Koelzig included?

Call me crazy but I don't see Draisaitl winning any significant player award. Koelzig at one point was deemed the best player in his position in a season that included scrub goalies like Hasek, Brodeur, Roy and Belfour.

I just don't see Draisaitl ever reaching those sort of heights.

Then again: Kölzig had probably about three seasons among the top-10 goalies in the league. I think Draisaitl will definitely have more than three seasons among the top-60 forwards in the league, which could be consider the numerical equivalent to the top-10 goalies (derived from the easy calculation of 2 goalies and 12 forwards on each daily roster).

 

[Zenos]

Kolzig pretty much grew up in Canada and was born in South Africa. He was a good player for Germany due to being able to play for them under old IIHF rules (something that wouldn't be permitted today). Draisaitl peak right now is probably the highest among all German players.

On what grounds / do you have a link?
Kölzig never attained Canadian citizenship and never represented a country other than Germany. His parents are German and he's a German citizen. So I don't see any conflict (regardless of where he was born and or grew up).

 

[Albatros]

Yeah, Germany was back then and would be today Kölzig's only option.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Just looking at his stats that's insane he played 73 games that year he won the Vezina and still maintained top-2 in SV% and GAA for goalies over 35 GP.

I wonder how far Belfour was behind him in the voting as he finished #1 in both categories but played 11 less games.

 

[Albatros]

I wonder how far Belfour was behind him in the voting as he finished #1 in both categories but played 11 less games.

Belfour was fourth, voting that year (1st-2nd-3rd votes):

Kölzig 14-13-1
Turek 9-9-7
Joseph 2-3-4
Belfour 2-0-4
Brodeur 0-1-5
Roy 0-1-2
Salo 1-0-0
Hašek 0-1-1
Boucher 0-0-3
Hackett 0-0-1

 

[93LEAFS]

On what grounds / do you have a link?
Kölzig never attained Canadian citizenship and never represented a country other than Germany. His parents are German and he's a German citizen. So I don't see any conflict (regardless of where he was born and or grew up).

You can't play for a country unless you lived there for 16 months and played in their local leagues for 2 seasons past the age of 13. It was a new rule added in recent years to stop players from playing for countries they weren't developed in at the expense of local players.

 

[Albatros]

You can't play for a country unless you lived there for 16 months and played in their local leagues for 2 seasons past the age of 13. It was a new rule added in recent years to stop players from playing for countries they weren't developed in at the expense of local players.

That only applies to players with multiple citizenships (past or present), thus not to Kölzig due to the fact that he never had any other citizenship but German.

 

[93LEAFS]

That only applies to players with multiple citizenships (past or present), thus not to Kölzig due to the fact that he never had any other citizenship but German.

It applies to everyone, but you can get a waiver to overrule it like William Nylander. Also, are we sure he doesn't have South African citizenship?

 

[Albatros]

Nylander is Canadian citizen, that's the difference.

The bylaw (4.2.1) states specifically that:

"A male player who has two legal citizenships or more, or has changed his citizenship or has acquired or surrendered a citizenship and wants to participate for the first time in an IIHF Championship and/or an Olympic competition or in qualifications to these competitions, then in order to play for his country of choice the player must..."

 

[TomB]

You can't play for a country unless you lived there for 16 months and played in their local leagues for 2 seasons past the age of 13. It was a new rule added in recent years to stop players from playing for countries they weren't developed in at the expense of local players.

The two-year rule is only for players with multiple citizenships. It is also past the 10th birthday, not the 13th.

IIHF - Eligibility

 

[smitty10]

That only applies to players with multiple citizenships (past or present), thus not to Kölzig due to the fact that he never had any other citizenship but German.

Are you certain that Kolzig doesn't hold South African citizenship from birth? Pretty sure when he was born, he would have received it. His family was living there and the Apartheid government would have wanted any white person possible to have citizenship. Wouldn't surprise me if he was a duel citizen of both.