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Did I say that Pokka is old? But he has enormously more experience than Jokiharju or Juolevi whom he is 5 and 4 years older respectively. You don’t think there is a big difference between them? But the difference is as big at least skillwise too, just not in the favor of Pokka unfortunately.
Merely four years ago, people were ecstatic about Pokka, who was on a curve to becoming at least a solid 2nd pair NHL defenseman, and he was listed on pretty every fantasy roster meant to demonstrate the new Finnish Golden Future. In that same year, he also made the NT's spring camp, dressing for his first men's NT games. Some even held out hope he might break the final team. And how great was their disappointment, when the coach picked names like Tuukka Mäntylä and Atte Ohtamaa in his stead.

Now he's a worn face who's eating roster spots from the shiny new toys - the kind of toys he once was.

There's an aesop here somewhere, but I'm seriously wondering if the people who could most benefit from it are acute enough to get what it is.

And yes Marjamäki is still a weakness for Finland as a coach, even how much you are his fan, it still doesn’t change how it is in reality.
Great. "I can't debunk the statement with facts, so I just reject it, say the other guy is detached from reality, and claim victory."
 
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Merely four years ago, people were ecstatic about Pokka, who was on a curve to becoming at least a solid 2nd pair NHL defenseman, and he was listed on pretty every fantasy roster meant to demonstrate the new Finnish Golden Future. In that same year, he also made the NT's spring camp, dressing for his first men's NT games. Some even held out hope he might break the final team. And how great was their disappointment, when the coach picked names like Tuukka Mäntylä and Atte Ohtamaa in his stead.

Now he's a worn face who's eating roster spots from the shiny new toys - the kind of toys he once was.

There's an aesop here somewhere, but I'm seriously wondering if the people who could most benefit from it are acute enough to get what it is.

Great. "I can't debunk the statement with facts, so I just reject it, say the other guy is detached from reality, and claim victory."
Some people might have been ecstatic about Pokka, but I was never one of them. Saw right from the start that his skating is way too bad and his skills too mediocre for him to ever become an NHL defenceman, especially because he is quite short to be a badly skating defensive defenceman. For him to be a good defenceman at the top level, he would at least have to be taller and have seriously good reach. Also one problem is that he hasn’t developed much, especially with his skating.

And you can save your ”sophisticated” insults for someone else, as I never did what you are trying to ”educate” me here about.
 
And you can save your ”sophisticated” insults for someone else, as I never did what you are trying to ”educate” me here about.
So, what exactly has Marjamäki done to deserve a spot on your crap list? I hope it's something more tangential than picking a handful of players you don't dig, because I'm pretty sure every damn coach does that, every damn year. And when I say "you", I don't really mean "you, you", but as in "all of us".

Seriously, I don't like Pokka either. However there is this phenomenon called "late bloomer" and he could be just that.
And even if he isn't one NHL-wise, he could still develop to someone many a future NT coach can call upon when they need to plug a hole in their defensive lineup.

As in, someone like Kukkonen, Hietanen or Ohtamaa, whom many have been ready to dump at various times, but almost everyone admits we could use when they're actually absent. Or rather, I'd say Pokka already is on that level. But given his age, he could also develop into a genuine late bloomer.

I'm not awfully high on him either, TBH, but I really don't see why a coach should be dumped on if he prefers a player like that over some largely unproven junior. Yes, there could be more upside, but it's still a gamble.
 
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Merely four years ago, people were ecstatic about Pokka, who was on a curve to becoming at least a solid 2nd pair NHL defenseman, and he was listed on pretty every fantasy roster meant to demonstrate the new Finnish Golden Future. In that same year, he also made the NT's spring camp, dressing for his first men's NT games. Some even held out hope he might break the final team. And how great was their disappointment, when the coach picked names like Tuukka Mäntylä and Atte Ohtamaa in his stead.

Now he's a worn face who's eating roster spots from the shiny new toys - the kind of toys he once was.

There's an aesop here somewhere, but I'm seriously wondering if the people who could most benefit from it are acute enough to get what it is.

Great. "I can't debunk the statement with facts, so I just reject it, say the other guy is detached from reality, and claim victory."

Because his skating is ugly and he'll never make the NHL as a regular with that level of skating. Maybe some hoped he would improve.

Anyways for todays game, unlike yesterday the guys were skating today and looked skill we've never seen by our old core. Just superior group skill wise, and so much faster.
 
One thing I'm liking is that while the Aho line is magical, it's not like our other lines are playing bad. Granlund line should be getting more points against these weaker countries, but on the other hand all of them have history of going clutch when the stakes are high (at least in the national team) so I'm not too worried.
 
I've for long thought that Aho looks a lot like S. Koivu. They have a lot of similarities in the game and both had phenomenal vision and on ice awareness. However I'm starting to wonder if Aho could even surpass what Koivu was in his best days. I think Sebastian already can score goals better than Saku ever could. Aho is also likely to play middle starting next year in the NHL and I've got a feeling he's going to be regarded as a top 10 center in the world when all is said and done. He's been on a whole another level in these two first games than the other guys in the team and no matter the opponent, when you have 10 points in 2 games, that's pretty breathtaking.
 
So Boston vs Tampa is live now. Might be that Boston is out after tonight. I would give Rask a day to get his shít together mentally and ask him right away and not wait or care about if Nashville would lose. The sooner we get one of Rask/Rinne/Saros the better, so there's no jet lag or anyting like that during the QF.

Later there is also Vegas at San Jose and Vegas is leading 3-2. Kind of hoping San Jose would tie it if Donskoi has a small injury.
 
I've for long thought that Aho looks a lot like S. Koivu. They have a lot of similarities in the game and both had phenomenal vision and on ice awareness. However I'm starting to wonder if Aho could even surpass what Koivu was in his best days. I think Sebastian already can score goals better than Saku ever could. Aho is also likely to play middle starting next year in the NHL and I've got a feeling he's going to be regarded as a top 10 center in the world when all is said and done. He's been on a whole another level in these two first games than the other guys in the team and no matter the opponent, when you have 10 points in 2 games, that's pretty breathtaking.

Me too and I think he will pass Saku Koivu if he doesn't get serious injuries. That play style of Aho might cause him some injuries in the future.

He's a little bit better than Saku Koivu at everything which is a big statement considering what a legend Saku is and one of the best Finnish players of all time.
 
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Quick question; I thought Esa Lindell was on the roster for this tournament, can anyone give me info on what's going on there?

He wanted to come but he had a small injury. In this case it wasn't a BS excuse my sources tell me.
 
I've for long thought that Aho looks a lot like S. Koivu. They have a lot of similarities in the game and both had phenomenal vision and on ice awareness. However I'm starting to wonder if Aho could even surpass what Koivu was in his best days. I think Sebastian already can score goals better than Saku ever could. Aho is also likely to play middle starting next year in the NHL and I've got a feeling he's going to be regarded as a top 10 center in the world when all is said and done. He's been on a whole another level in these two first games than the other guys in the team and no matter the opponent, when you have 10 points in 2 games, that's pretty breathtaking.
It's amazing, with just a cursory look you'd think putting him at center would be forcing it too much. But his frame is deceptive. He's so strong on the puck and wins battles he should have no business winning. And his hockey smarts are second to none. He'll be in a great position for years to come with his partner Teuvo on one side and a potential superstar in Svechnikov on the other.
 
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I have not watched any of the games, but it comes to me as a big surprise that many people are so surprised by the skill and level of play of teravainen, aho and rantanen can bring.
Carolina was top 3, (held top 1 place until 60 games were played) in nhl regular season possession and offensive shooting statistics, lead mainly by aho-teravainen line. Will be interesting to see when opponents are actual hockey teams tho but statistically this is one of the better whc teams finland have had long times
 
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I have not watched any of the games, but it comes to me as a big surprise that many people are so surprised by the skill and level of play of teravainen, aho and rantanen can bring.
Carolina was top 3, (held top 1 place until 60 games were played) in nhl regular season possession and offensive shooting statistics, lead mainly by aho-teravainen line.
It's not big surprise really, but it's something we haven't seen really in years on national team. The youth leading the way. It's exciting.
 
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I have not watched any of the games, but it comes to me as a big surprise that many people are so surprised by the skill and level of play of teravainen, aho and rantanen can bring.
Carolina was top 3, (held top 1 place until 60 games were played) in nhl regular season possession and offensive shooting statistics, lead mainly by aho-teravainen line. Will be interesting to see when opponents are actual hockey teams tho but statistically this is one of the better whc teams finland have had long times

Who is surprised? As Nate Diaz would put it:

 
The sooner we get one of Rask/Rinne/Saros the better
Nah, Rask is in one of his "reikäjuusto" phases he gets every now and then. He would just be a liability for the team. Same for Rinne. Saros might be an improvement over Säteri though. Nothing wrong with Husso yet.
 
So Boston vs Tampa is live now. Might be that Boston is out after tonight. I would give Rask a day to get his shít together mentally and ask him right away and not wait or care about if Nashville would lose. The sooner we get one of Rask/Rinne/Saros the better, so there's no jet lag or anyting like that during the QF.

Later there is also Vegas at San Jose and Vegas is leading 3-2. Kind of hoping San Jose would tie it if Donskoi has a small injury.
If there's one player I'd like to get, it'd be Haula. In fact, I was hoping for him since the start of the tournament, but for a bit different reasons. Initially, I thought he'd make a nice centre piece for the Carolina duo, but the way Xavi has been playing with them, there's no way that unit's getting broken up any time soon. In fact, we're closer to coming up with a catchy nickname for them. Tehonainen? Eh, I digress. I'd still like to get Haula, but now I think he'd make a nice complementary piece for MiG and Rants. Granlund-Haula-Rantanen.

Not that I'll be awfully worried even if we don't get anyone, since I know both Granny and Rants will be money when the opposition toughens. Those guys are like diamonds - they will only get better under pressure. And even if they do need to switch Kapanen out to really jumpstart them, we might actually have all the necessary pieces already. Has anyone else noticed how good Pesonen has been, at least so far? Definitely looks like a great pickup from Marjamäki. So if push comes to shove and we do need a round of musical chairs in the lineup, all they have to do is add Niemi to do the 4C duty. Then they can shuffle the forwards accordingly...

Pesonen - Granlund - Rantanen
Savinainen - Aho - Teräväinen
Jormakka/Manninen - Suomela - Kapanen
Mäenalanen - Niemi - Anttila

Both Jormakka and Manninen have been kinda underwhelming, so I've no opinion on which one I'd rather see out of the lineup. Though no forwards coming would need playtime for Palola too, in which case both could be ousted, and they could try a third line of Kapanen-Suomela-Palola.

But yeah, it's early days, and obviously they won't be doing anything at least yet, given how it's still possible some NHLers could come - and how well we seem to be doing against weaker opponents.

As one last notion, I do like our odds of getting someone from overseas, if we still believe the old adage of talent drawing talent. I bet the guys still stuck in their day jobs are also watching how this squad if faring. So, if we there's a healthy player - any position - who gets eliminated, and the club won't stand in his way, I'd be willing to bet he will come. This team appears to have a special thing going for it, and he's going to want a piece of it. Heck, I could see even Laine joining if he just is healthy and the earlier news of him skipping practices was him simply feeling slightly gassed.

Good game and he didn't see that one goal at all. Problem is that the other goalie Säteri is pretty much just as good. Säteri didn't stop a breakaway goal yesterday though. I would give slight edge to Husso but I think coaches have Säteri #1 still.
Well, our goalie plan going forward sure looks simple: give Säteri the game vs. Norway, Husso the game vs. Denmark - and then decide between Rask and Rinne vs. Canada.
 
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