Sochi 2014 comes to mind as a shining example. They intended to ride with a first line of Granlund-Barkov-Selänne. After Barkov was injured in the second game of the tournament, instead of mixing up the entire lineup, they simply put Granny down the middle to replace Sasha. And MiG ended up being Finland's leading scorer, dragging Teemu to a MVP trophy while he was at it.
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I hope that tomorrow we will hear about what the lines really are. I expected to hear something about it today but none of the Finnish medias seem to have info about it so far.
I almost suggested Pesonen as 4C yesterday but I was sure that Marjamäki had Niemi-Anttila locked because they played so much together in the EHT and in other practice games. I'll say that it's smart to experiment and see if Pesonen could do more than Niemi in that role and then Marjamäki can always fall back to the safe option with Niemi if he isn't perfectly happy about it.
Niemi is probably a place holder for Haula now and Niemi will be stamped if Vegas advances. Vegas-San Jose is at 2-2 now.
I almost suggested Pesonen as 4C yesterday but I was sure that Marjamäki had Niemi-Anttila locked because they played so much together in the EHT and in other practice games. I'll say that it's smart to experiment and see if Pesonen could do more than Niemi in that role and then Marjamäki can always fall back to the safe option with Niemi if he isn't perfectly happy about it.
Niemi is probably a place holder for Haula now and Niemi will be stamped if Vegas advances. Vegas-San Jose is at 2-2 now.
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WDF?? Is Heiskanen still waiting to get accredited. This coach Berry Hill with his impudent weaselims, his blatant stoat bias makes me cringe and grit my teeth. Juolevi and Jokiharju out, Heiskanen on the outside waiting to get in. What else - bring me some bourbon now and Jukka Jalonen from the C More studio behind the bench, grazie. Even if Jalonen would do the same kind of selections his teams happen to win. And that is something else we will get from this stoat master of dead expressions and deflated emotions.
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Here's some info. The all eggs on one basket for PP1 is true and the defender for that seems to be Pokka. Doesn't make sense to me why Pokka. I think it should be Honka or if Heiskanen returns, then him, but it's just a short clip anyways.
There's a small video clip of it on that link as well and I do see Rantanen in front of the net. He probably rotates behind the net and in front of it mostly. Granny is also seen in front of the net on both of the instances the clip showed.
There was some ES info, where during the practice Savinainen, Kapanen and Palola rotated as the 3rd link on 1st and 2nd line (Granny+Rantanen, Aho+Teuvo).
Palola isn't even stamped so we can forget about him. Kapanen is quite likely to be in the line with Granlund and Rantanen because Savinainen did good with Aho and TT in last game.
It feels like Granlund is wasted a little bit when he isn't a playmaker, well so is Rantanen but it could be good and I like the fact that for the most part Marjamäki seems to be smart enough to separate the NHL forwards from Euro forwards on PP and ES to get them on same page faster.
Here's some info. The all eggs on one basket for PP1 is true and the defender for that seems to be Pokka. Doesn't make sense to me why Pokka. I think it should be Honka or if Heiskanen returns, then him, but it's just a short clip anyways.
There's a small video clip of it on that link as well and I do see Rantanen in front of the net. He probably rotates behind the net and in front of it mostly. Granny is also seen in front of the net on both of the instances the clip showed.
There was some ES info, where during the practice Savinainen, Kapanen and Palola rotated as the 3rd link on 1st and 2nd line (Granny+Rantanen, Aho+Teuvo).
Palola isn't even stamped so we can forget about him. Kapanen is quite likely to be in the line with Granlund and Rantanen because Savinainen did good with Aho and TT in last game.
It feels like Granlund is wasted a little bit when he isn't a playmaker, well so is Rantanen but it could be good and I like the fact that for the most part Marjamäki seems to be smart enough to separate the NHL forwards from Euro forwards on PP and ES to get them on same page faster.
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That article also tells us that besides Aho-TT and Granny-Rants, Kapanen, Savinainen and Palola rotated as the top-six wingers.
Since Palola was not registered, I'm inferring that the top-six will be Kapanen-Granlund-Rantanen and Savinainen-Aho-Teräväinen.
Since only 12 forwards were registered, the remaining ones will naturally make up the bottom-six. Niemi is sitting for now, so the centres will most likely be Suomela and Pesonen. Manninen was a staple to Suomela throughout the camp, so he will likely continue in that role. Anttila is the obvious choice for 4th line.
That leaves only Jormakka and Mäenalanen, who could be either way, really, but if we use simple conventional wisdom, I'd guess Mäenalanen is with Suomela and Jormakka is with Pesonen. The reason is that Mäenalanen is big and quite physical, Jormakka is small and less so. So Mäenalanen adds a big frame alongside Suomela and Manninen, who are both also a bit limited in that department, whereas Jormakka takes the remaining spot. And thus we get these lines...
Kapanen - Granlund - Rantanen
Savinainen - Aho - Teräväinen
Manninen - Suomela - Mäenalanen
Jormakka - Pesonen - Anttila
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Yup. I edited it in a moment ago.
I also came up with the same lines. Only moving parts could be Manninen and Jormakka. Because he stamped Mäenalanen he must be the winger of 3rd line.
So now we could speculate what the second PP unit is.
We know that Kapanen will be in it. Will they use two defensemen in PP2? I think they should since we got so much talented guys there. Suomela must be in it as well.
Savinainen-Suomela-Kapanen
Honka/Pokka-Heiskanen/Nutivaara
That's a pretty good second PP. Makes me excited. Savinainen in front of the net and Heiskanen doing Heiskanen moves by moving closer to the net and making space with his skating.
Yup. I edited it in a moment ago.
I also came up with the same lines. Only moving parts could be Manninen and Jormakka. Because he stamped Mäenalanen he must be the winger of 3rd line.
So now we could speculate what the second PP unit is.
We know that Kapanen will be in it. Will they use two defensemen in PP2? I think they should since we got so much talented guys there. Suomela must be in it as well.
Savinainen-Suomela-Kapanen
Honka/Pokka-Heiskanen/Nutivaara
That's a pretty good second PP. Makes me excited. Savinainen in front of the net and Heiskanen doing Heiskanen moves by moving closer to the net and making space with his skating.
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If the previous two weeks are of any indicator, Manninen will stick to Suomela. Then again, we thought Enlund-Niemi-Anttila would be one line for sure, but first Enlund was cut, and then it was revealed that Niemi will be an extra...
Savinainen feels like such an obvious choice besides Suomela and Kapanen. He brings the front-of-net presence. Though I suppose it could also be Mäenalanen. Pesonen is also an option, but I doubt it will be him because he appears to be playing C here. Conventional wisdom says again you don't use all your centres in the PP units, because you need at least one rested for the first ES shift that follows once the PP is over. But what do I know.
And if there will be two d-men, they should be Honka and Heiskanen - or Koivisto, if Heiskanen can't play. I guess Nutivaara is also an option, but it's not really his specialty.
If it's 4F+1D like PP1, then the obvious setup appears to be Suomela-Savinainen-Kapanen-Mäenalanen-Heiskanen (or Honka).
The X is for sure Savinainen. Used my editing magic right after I posted again. Sorry about that.
I think Mäenalanen should be just ES guy for now. He isn't that productive scoring wise, I mean it's Liiga scoring and not being the top guy in Liiga at that and since we do have Savinainen, Mäenalanen's size alone shouldn't give him a spot on PP2. If he's a good second faceoff option, then maybe.
I think Mäenalanen should be just ES guy for now. He isn't that productive scoring wise, I mean it's Liiga scoring and not being the top guy in Liiga at that and since we do have Savinainen, Mäenalanen's size alone shouldn't give him a spot on PP2. If he's a good second faceoff option, then maybe.
Kapanen loves RW although he is a rightie, that became clear, but I think in this PP2 he should maybe be on the LW here so we get more one timer threat.
Suomela is a leftie
Mäenalanen is a leftie - this is one more reason why he won't be on the PP2
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Kapanen really solves that problem and then with Honka we have a defender who is rightie as well. So we got very good one timer threat if we move Kapanen to the LW.
Suomela is a leftie
Mäenalanen is a leftie - this is one more reason why he won't be on the PP2
Manninen L
Kapanen really solves that problem and then with Honka we have a defender who is rightie as well. So we got very good one timer threat if we move Kapanen to the LW.
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So they say now. Is it a flu or little flu or food poisoning? The kid cannot get a break. first the WJC nursing injury and now this sickness. Okay. I give Larry the benefit of doubt and let him prove me wrong by letting the bhoys play some hockey through instincts and with success.
Leaving one of Honka or Heiskanen outside the PP units sure feels counterintuitive, especially if it's in favor of Mäenalanen. But again, what do I know. Rolewise, he sure fits there. And I don't think he's needed for faceoffs either - Xavi can actually handle that too. When he played in a line with Pihlström last year, he was in fact the primary FO guy during that Marjamäki's "Pillu is a centre" brainfart spell - that didn't luckily last that long.
So having Mäenalanen in that unit would certainly be a bit redundant. He'd bring nothing Claywoman already brings. Except, well, unless the tactic is to use two big bodies to screen the goalie - they did that somewhat successfully with Kemppainen and Hartikainen at the olympics.
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Some people just are like that, more prone in getting sick. Either genetics or taking too much antibiotics as a kid affecting their immune systems or something like that. I don't see him being the ironman in NHL for 82 games a season. That's for sure.
Savinainen must be holding the record of most nick names ever in the NT. I guess that's what you get when you do things like a dress as a giant dick in a halloween costume party as he did lol. I wish I could find that picture, it was pretty funny.
Most righties actually do. The most famous example, for us Finns at least, is this Teemu guy... the last name escapes me at the moment. (Incidentally, Pulkkinen does too.) Of the names who have lately represented Finland, I should also mention Donskoi and JMA. Other notable examples include Mitch Marner, Bobby Ryan, David Pastrnak. And Jari Kurri.
Of the opposite examples, I can't really tell off the top of my head who dig the left wing besides Laine and Ovie.
The reason for this is that it's easier to receive a pass on the move when you're on the wing that responds to your handedness. Though it's easier to one-time when you're on the opposite wing. So the most common thing you see is a righty on the right on ES, but on the left during PP. Again, the other Teemu besides Pulkkinen is/was a prime example.
I think Olli Jokinen had more. He was said to pick up a new one every time he changed clubs.
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It probably has a lot to do being able to work with the boards better with the puck as well. Imagining skating to the offensive end so that hand is always on the board's side.
On power play I remember Salami on the LW more so yeah, a good point and putting Kapanen to LW on PP is a no brainer then.
OJ was another one for sure. What combines them is that both at least used to be "not give a crap" type of guys. Both matured later on, maybe Savinainen did less so.
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Eye of Ra
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he's one those guys who can play at any role on offense. not the best but does the job. likely has a good attitude as well. in case of injuries or other problems it's good to have 1-2 guys like that on the lineup
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He looks cute and cuddly, so he can be team mascot.
Yeah it seem that Marjamäki goes to all NHL line. Not a big fan of it but so be it. Not a fan of that third line either. Manninen was decent in olympics. Suomela has been excellent this far. Can´t really predict Mäenalanen. But this line reminds me of those many "One time WHC wonders" who have been very good on Liiga managed to play good enough in camp and then hit a brickwall in WHC. Hope I´m wrong though. I would atleast mix these third and fourth lines. Savinainen could make that line better, but he is destined to be complimentary player on top two lines.
Mäenalanen will play with Teräväinen, the reason why he is in this team is because they hope to replicate the U20's. If it does not work, he is scratched.
Well. Looks like Mäenalanen and Jormakka were the other way after all. The third line doesn't really make sense since it lacks physicality, but then again, I doubt it will be a key factor against our first few opponents. So it could be tailored a bit. A line like that can easily skate the legs off from the opposing unit, and thus may draw quite a bit of penalties. And if they end up in trouble later on, especially against the NA teams, it's still easy to move Mäenalanen to it.
On PP2, it'll be curious to see if Nutivaara sticks to it once they officially add Heiskanen.
On PP2, it'll be curious to see if Nutivaara sticks to it once they officially add Heiskanen.
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The 3rd line seems to really be the 4th. As expected the second PK duties after Pesonen-Anttila will go to our NHL guys. Granny-Kapanen like I said day ago or something. Maybe Savinainen-Aho as well sometimes.
I would expect Heiskanen to be in that PP2 over Nutty, but former Kärppä & Marjamäki as the coach so you never know. I'm not complaining though because Nutty is a good option as well.
Overall we both predicted these lineups and PP units pretty well, although they weren't that hard to figure out by using some logic.
Well, I don't really see how the 3rd is the 4th, since the 4th does contain the most defensively-responsible guys of the team. Suomela and Manninen at least are not your typical 4th liners. That Suomela unit looks more like a typical "energy" 3rd line, whereas the Pesonen unit is closer to a classic checking line. Though of course, these are not strict denominations. I expect none of those lines to be exclusively two-way or otherwise restricted to grinding.
And I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Pesonen line will end up getting more minutes than Suomela's.
YLE listed Mäenalanen-Pesonen-Anttila as 3rd. That's what I meant. I guess it was listed like it should be in other places.
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