WC: Team Finland

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Koivisto/Mikkola over Jokiharju is the only complaint but otherwise pretty much as expected.

Mäenalanen has played with Aho, Niemi, Teräväinen and Manninen before and can pretty much play every possible role on the team, good choice.
 
And for forwards - Mäenalanen. Wow. I mean, he was great in the finals, but I bet this still blindsided pretty much everybody. Pretty interesting to see what kind of role Marjamäki is thinking for him. Knowing his history, he could technically even complement the Carolina duo. He's played with Aho in Kärpät was the leading scorer from Teuvo's passes in the 2014 WJC.

That's what I was thinking too, to put him with Teuvo again. It's interesting and I won't judge Marjamäki for this pick.

Edit: MTV3 with missleading info...
 
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I know that it won't happen because Marjamäki thinks that we need both Aho and Granlund as centers, but:

Mäenalanen - Aho - Teräväinen
Granlund - Pesonen - Rantanen
Savinainen - Suomela - Kapanen
Manninen - Niemi - Anttila
Palola, Jormakka (unstamped until the end of the second round of NHL playoffs)

Mäenalanen and Savinainen can change places if needed but I think it's better for Suomela to have someone experienced next to him during these games
 
I know that it won't happen because Marjamäki thinks that we need both Aho and Granlund as centers, but:

Mäenalanen - Aho - Teräväinen
Granlund - Pesonen - Rantanen
Savinainen - Suomela - Kapanen
Manninen - Niemi - Anttila
Palola, Jormakka (unstamped until the end of the second round of NHL playoffs)

Mäenalanen and Savinainen can change places if needed but I think it's better for Suomela to have someone experienced next to him during these games

Niemi wasn't selected. Oh he was. I should stop reading MTV3.
 
The center situation is interesting: Granlund, Aho, Suomela. No Lajunen, Niemi nor Sallinen selected. This means one of the centers has to be Pesonen like in the practice games or Mäenalanen.
Check again. Niemi made the cut.
 
Mäenalanen-Aho-TT
Rantanen-MG-Kapanen
Pesonen-Suomela-Palola
Savinainen-Niemi-Anttila
+Manninen, Jormakka

Nutivaara-Honka
Heiskanen-Pokka
Kivistö-Koivisto
Mikkola-Riikola

Husso(Säteri)
 
Teuvo-Aho-Rantanen
Savinainen-Granlund-Kapanen
Pesonen-Suomela-Manninen
Mäenalanen-Niemi-Anttila

Extras: Jormakka, Palola

Mäenalanen slot could be any of the 2 extra forwards instead.

They tested Pesonen as center in EHT because he will be the center backup if one of them gets injured. It's clear to me now.

Pesonen and Savinainen could swap places here hmm...
 
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Teuvo-Aho-Rantanen
Savinainen-Granlund-Kapanen
Kiiskinen-Suomela-Pesonen
Mäenalanen-Niemi-Anttila

Jormakka, Manninen, Palola

Mäenalanen slot could be any of the 3 extra forwards instead.

They tested Pesonen as center in EHT because he will be the center backup if one of them gets injured. It's clear to me now.

don't think that Kiiskinen made it
 
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don't think that Kiiskinen made it

Oh yea, that's right.

It's pretty clear who the captain will be now after Peltola is absent.

We have a lot of scorers in the team now. No more 0-0 games like vs Canada in The Olympics hopefully. Marjamäki probably also learned from doing that trap strategy in that game.
 
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One thing that can't be emphasized too much - and what blindsided me even more than any singular pick - is how offensively loaded this team this. I don't mean it's really studded with star power everyone knows, but it is a squad full of players better known for their prowess in the offensive end of the rink. Have we ever had a team with so few grinder types? Marjamäki took the gutsiest road to memory.

Defense has only one player who is pure DD - Mikkola - though I expect Kivistö and Pokka too will have tweak their game to be defense-first, at least to a degree.

For forwards, I'm similarly counting only one who is a typical defensive forward - Anttila. Wow, just wow. Late is really - I mean really - going all-in here, clearly intends to go out with a bang in his farewell tourney, come hell or highwater. He could have easily picked Lajunen, Peltola - unless they declined - and at least Sallinen, if he was short on role players. But no, he chose to forego these names. If this squad can't find the back of the net, for once you can't fault a coach who decided to play it safe. And it just *must* reflect on the game plan too - you don't pick a roster like this if you intend to play deeply controlled, defense-first hockey.

What makes these skater selections even more gutsy is that they don't even have a bona fide stud goalie like Rinne they can expect to bail out any defensive lapses. Of course, this is not to say the ones available to us are garbage, but many a coach would still be looking for players who have better natural knack for minding the d-zone.
 
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One thing that can't be emphasized too much - and what blindsided me even more than any singular pick - is how offensively loaded this team this. I don't mean it's really studded with star power everyone knows, but it is a squad full of players better known for their prowess in the offensive end of the rink. Have we ever had a team with so few grinder types? Marjamäki took the gutsiest road to memory.

I'm really digging that it's so offensive as well. You read my mind, wrote a similar thing few seconds ago. He made changes and doesn't want Olympics Canada 0-0 type games anymore. Of course it was mainly a poor strategy selection in that Canada game but we did lose to Sweden as well and didn't score that much if I remember right.
 
For forwards, I'm similarly counting only one who is a typical defensive forward - Anttila. Wow, just wow. Late is really - I mean really - going all-in here, clearly intends to go out with a bang in his farewell tourney, come hell or highwater. He could have easily picked Lajunen, Peltola - unless they declined - and at least Sallinen, if he was short on role players. But no, he chose to forego these names. If this squad can't find the back of the net, for once you can't fault a coach who decided to play it safe. And it just *must* reflect on the game plan too - you don't pick a roster like this if you intend to play deeply controlled, defense-first hockey.

Sallinen not being selected is so big surprise to me. Everything suggested that Late would pick him, history and the fact that he was the captain in some of the EHT games and it didn't seem like Sallinen did anything wrong really.

I'm not surprised if Marjamäki is asked about it soon and says that Sallinen had a small injury and they didn't want to risk it.

I'm also really interested whether Peltola rejected the invitation or not
 
Sallinen not being selected is so big surprise to me. Everything suggested that Late would pick him, history and the fact that he was the captain in some of the EHT games and it didn't seem like Sallinen did anything wrong really.

I'm not surprised if Marjamäki is asked about it soon and says that Sallinen had a small injury and they didn't want to risk it.

I'm also really interested whether Peltola rejected the invitation or not
I didn't actually have Sallinen in any of my projections, but that was because I expected Peltola and Lajunen would be on the squad. In general, though, all this time I was of the mind that at least three of Peltola/Sallinen/Lajunen/Anttila would make the cut, because coaches generally do like having more than one option for these roles - even when said options are largely interchangeable.

And one last thing. Even if Sallinen did have something ailing him, and Lajunen and Peltola both declined, Marjamäki could still have picked Enlund. Our coach was clearly grooming him for a two-way role, given how he was a staple to the fourth line throughout the last weekend, and performed in the role quite adequately IMO. No, he didn't do this simply because all his grinder familiars declined and he figured, "sod it, let's go all in then" - oh no. This was clearly a conscious chose, not one forced by circumstance.

Heh, all this reminds me of a statement from last year, when we were doing our usual post-mortem...

I hope the lesson learnt here is that when there's a choice between a Joonas Kemppainen and a Jani Lajunen, the answer can't be "I'll take both, and make Pihlström a center too".
...because this allows more space for additional grinder wingers.

Lesson learnt, indeed.
 
I didn't actually have Sallinen in any of my projections, but that was because I expected Peltola and Lajunen would be on the squad. In general, though, all this time I was of the mind that at least three of Peltola/Sallinen/Lajunen/Anttila would make the cut, because coaches generally do like having more than one option for these roles - even when said options are largely interchangeable.

And one last thing. Even if Sallinen did have something ailing him, and Lajunen and Peltola both declined, Marjamäki could still have picked Enlund. Our coach was clearly grooming him for a two-way role, given how he was a staple to the fourth line throughout the last weekend, and performed in the role quite adequately IMO. No, he didn't do this simply because all his grinder familiars declined and he figured, "sod it, let's go all in then" - oh no. This was clearly a conscious chose, not one forced by circumstance.

Heh, all this reminds me of a statement from last year, when we were doing our usual post-mortem...

...because this allows more space for additional grinder wingers.

Lesson learnt, indeed.

Yeah Enlund not selected is another one. I thought before that Marjamäki loves the guy.

I was hoping since the Olympics that there would be a lot of recycling with the players so that many of the players that were in the Olympics would not be in WHC. I'm not saying that the Olympic team was bad or anything but I understand the fact that two big international tournaments is a big load for any player during one season and many from that Olympic team would loose energy by the time the WHC playoffs would start.

The word refreshing/raikkaus that Marjamäki used in describing his WHC selections was indeed a good one in terms of the team's age and what I said above.
 
... and Marjamäki can't be that bad out of hell as a coach when a European top notch club like Jokerit pick him up!?

Oder was.

Well, no seasoned grinders around for Finland this time around in Denmark - almost only clearblue pure youngsters who gonna kick it for Finland this time around - who could be heroes ... or not.

But thank you Marjamäki for even trying ... we're not gonna spit in your face if it goes way wrong!
 
... and Marjamäki can't be that bad out of hell as a coach when a European top notch club like Jokerit pick him up!?

Oder was.

Well, no seasoned grinders around for Finland this time around in Denmark - almost only clearblue pure youngsters who gonna kick it for Finland this time around - who could be heroes ... or not.

But thank you Marjamäki for even trying ... we're not gonna spit in your face if it goes way wrong!

The fact still stands that he hasn't achieved much with Finnish national team. Winning EHT doesn't mean much. Three big tournaments have gone quite bad (WC, Olympics, WHC 4th place mediocre). U20 no good results either for him. Closest thing to success was last year's 4th place in WHC. The fact that he made it to semifinals there was an okay result.

If this tournament goes bad (I don't expect it to go bad), then it's easy to say that he's just meant to be a club coach like Rautakorpi where both of their merits are.
 
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After the EHT games, I think Finland will start with

Teräväinen- Aho- Savinainen
Pesonen- Granlund- Rantanen
Manninen- Suomela- Palola
Kapanen- Niemi- Anttila
 
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