Proposal: TBL & CHI

[migi]

Ryan Callahan
Taylor Raddysh

For

John Hayden

Lightning re-signs Point easier, give Miller an extra year with the team to win the 2nd Cup after this season and Hawks get the trio band together from Erie.

Thoughts?

EDIT: this happens if Hawks wont land Panarin or Stone.

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[AndreRoy]

No.

 

[Ace Card Bedard]

I like Raddysh as a prospect and Callahan as a player but nearly $6M for a 33-year old ~30pt winger? I don't think that's the direction the Hawks are looking to go.

 

[AmericanDream]

not interested in helping out the Bolts any- no thanks from the Hawks side...

 

[LGB]

Maybe not the hawks but I'm sure someone would take that deal. A solid prospect to take on one more year of just under a 6m cap hit seems more than fair.

 

[AndreRoy]

And we aren’t interested in giving up one of our best forward prospects to move a guy that we don’t need to move in the first place and who, if we do want to move him, can be retained on to eliminate or at least minimize the incentive required to do so. Hard pass from the Lightning’s perspective as well.

 

[boredmale]

I like Raddysh as a prospect and Callahan as a player but nearly $6M for a 33-year old ~30pt winger? I don't think that's the direction the Hawks are looking to go.

Not saying Chicago should do it but anyteam trading for Callahan just has to suck up his contract for 1 year. Now if a team really wanted to get value from Callahan trade for him from Tampa then turn around and trade him to another team at 50%(all that being said Callahan has a NMC I believe)

 

[Ace Card Bedard]

Not saying Chicago should do it but anyteam trading for Callahan just has to suck up his contract for 1 year. Now if a team really wanted to get value from Callahan trade for him from Tampa then turn around and trade him to another team at 50%(all that being said Callahan has a NMC I believe)

I believe any NTC/NMC would be gone if he agreed to be traded away from Tampa.

 

[DistantThunderRep]

I believe any NTC/NMC would be gone if he agreed to be traded away from Tampa.

I think the team trading for him would also have to agree to honor the NMC. It's kind of a loop, player agrees to waive NMC -> Other teams honors the NMC and it stays. Or the other team says they will not honor it and the player with the NMC just nixes the deal.

I could be wrong though.

 

[LTIR Trickery]

Not keen on giving up a great prospect for a guy with 4 points in 41 games.

 

[Rschmitz]

Cally only makes 4.5 million next year. Difficult to believe we can't we can't find a low budget team willing to take that on in the right deal.

 

[AndreRoy]

We can also retain up to 50% which brings his cap hit down to $2.9M and his salary to $2.35M; at that point he arguably has positive value. Combined with the fact that we don’t need to move him in the first place that means we aren’t going to be giving up one of our top prospects to do so.

 

[God King Fudge]

Pass. Callahan has one year left and folks wanna act like he's got 5.

This late in the game, we'll just buy him out and save the $3m next season and only have to pay 1.5 the season after before we give up good prospects

 

[BeingTheThunder]

Pass. Callahan has one year left and folks wanna act like he's got 5.

This late in the game, we'll just buy him out and save the $3m next season and only have to pay 1.5 the season after before we give up good prospects

Not only do they act like he has a ton of term left but they also act as if he's garbage.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

So the concensus is that Callahan will be bought outnext season. No on e wants him even retained and TB fans don’t want to add a sweetener.

End thread

 

[DFC]

So the concensus is that Callahan will be bought outnext season. No on e wants him even retained and TB fans don’t want to add a sweetener.

End thread

I think we'll add a sweetener, but not our best F prospect. It's only one year.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

I think we'll add a sweetener, but not our best F prospect. It's only one year.

What is your sweetener?

 

[AndreRoy]

So the concensus is that Callahan will be bought outnext season. No on e wants him even retained and TB fans don’t want to add a sweetener.

End thread

First of all I very much disagree with your assumption that nobody would want him at $2.9M.

Second, nobody said that we’re unwilling to add a sweetener; we simply see no reason why that sweetener should be one of our top prospects given that Callahan is still a useful player, has only a year of term left, and can be traded at half price as mentioned earlier.

Finally if we don’t find a taker it’s more likely that we let him play out his deal than that we buy him out - we don’t need to move him to sign everybody next season and we won’t want his cap impact lingering on the following season when our real cap crunch begins.

 

[DFC]

What is your sweetener?

I would give about a 2nd or an equivalent prospect. Raddysh is worth a mid-to-late 1st to us.

A lot of the fanbase probably wouldn't go higher than a 3rd, but I think a lot of us would do a 2nd. I think if push came to shove, JBB would give up a second, or the equivalent, rather than go the buyout route.

If Callahan does get traded, I think he'll surprise some people with his new team. He's still an effective player when healthy. So I mean, if you've got a team unlikely to make the playoffs anyway, taking a free asset and a year of good leadership isn't a terrible idea. Edmonton would probably do well to take a few lessons from a guy like this, and Callahan might just waive if the alternative is a buyout.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

First of all I very much disagree with your assumption that nobody would want him at $2.9M.

Second, nobody said that we’re unwilling to add a sweetener - we simply see no reason why that sweetener should be one of our top prospects given that Callahan is still a useful player, has only a year of term left, and can be traded at half price as mentioned earlier.

Finally if we don’t find a taker it’s more likely that we let him play out his deal than that we buy him out - we don’t need to move him to sign everybody next season and we won’t want his cap impact lingering on the following season when our real cap crunch begins.

At 2.9 he’s still massively overpaid. You don’t pay that for old, slow 4th liners who are well on the downside of their career.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

I would give about a 2nd or an equivalent prospect. Raddysh is worth a mid-to-late 1st to us.

A lot of the fanbase probably wouldn't go higher than a 3rd, but I think a lot of us would do a 2nd. I think if push came to shove, JBB would give up a second, or the equivalent, rather than go the buyout route.

If Callahan does get traded, I think he'll surprise some people with his new team. He's still an effective player when healthy. So I mean, if you've got a team unlikely to make the playoffs anyway, taking a free asset and a year of good leadership isn't a terrible idea.

Problem is your 2nd is around pick 60. Not worth it to me. I would want an Armia level player in return or no dice.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

I would give about a 2nd or an equivalent prospect. Raddysh is worth a mid-to-late 1st to us.

A lot of the fanbase probably wouldn't go higher than a 3rd, but I think a lot of us would do a 2nd. I think if push came to shove, JBB would give up a second, or the equivalent, rather than go the buyout route.

If Callahan does get traded, I think he'll surprise some people with his new team. He's still an effective player when healthy. So I mean, if you've got a team unlikely to make the playoffs anyway, taking a free asset and a year of good leadership isn't a terrible idea. Edmonton would probably do well to take a few lessons from a guy like this, and Callahan might just waive if the alternative is a buyout.

Edmonton can’t take on yet another egregious capdump.

 

[DFC]

Problem is your 2nd is around pick 60. Not worth it to me. I would want an Armia level player in return or no dice.

Pretty much all the legit prospects in TB's system are that level or better. We might be short on blue chippers, but we're very, very deep on quality prospects likely to make the NHL.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Pretty much all the legit prospects in TB's system are that level or better. We might be short on blue chippers, but we're very, very deep on quality prospects likely to make the NHL.

I think TB buys him out unless a team like Ottawa settles on a 2nd or better.

 

[DFC]

I think TB buys him out unless a team like Ottawa settles on a 2nd or better.

We might. I don't think we go any higher than that, and I don't see us keeping him, regardless which way we go. But I mean, it's a free asset to a team who's wasting a year anyway. Nobody's saying a contender should waste 5.8 on Cally. But a bottom-feeder looking to tank and/or grow? Callahan's not gonna push anybody to the playoffs, but he can teach a group of kids the kind of effort required to win consistently. And he comes with a free asset. It's not like the receiving team is stuck with him long-term.