Confirmed with Link: [TBL/CAR] Lightning trade 2025 3rd for Jake Guentzel

Rschmitz · Sunday at 9:34 PM

ThunderRoad said:
Maybe there are some "moving pieces" out of town still like Sheary or even Cirelli or Perbix.

JBB had better get a move on if it's Cirelli, he has like 3 hours

DFC · Sunday at 9:35 PM

ThunderRoad said:
Maybe there are some "moving pieces" out of town still like Sheary or even Cirelli or Perbix.

I don't think we are moving Cirelli, nor do I think we can. At least not without some major replacement already lined up. Nothing about UFAs are certain. Sergachev was an obvious move; Cirelli just makes too much money. But he's not easy to replace.

ThunderRoad · Sunday at 9:37 PM

Rschmitz said:
Going to up that offer to 3.2m per season

He's going to ask BriseBois for a commemorative pen to sign that epic contract.

Still holding out hope that keeping Stamkos remains a real possibility...

DFC · Sunday at 9:40 PM

ThunderRoad said:
He's going to ask BriseBois for a commemorative pen to sign that epic contract.

Still holding out hope that keeping Stamkos remains a real possibility...

I don't think we would trade a 3rd for Guentzel if we hadn't, well, tampered enough to know we could get him signed. We're trying to get cost certainty, which is definitely about "more" moves. Let's just hope one of them is Stamkos. Seems like Guentzel is top priority, and that makes sense. But now let's see what he does with the leftover cap.

ThunderRoad said:
He's going to ask BriseBois for a commemorative pen to sign that epic contract.

Still holding out hope that keeping Stamkos remains a real possibility...

JBB offering a can of dog food and the DVD Box Set of Malcom in the Middle so far. Stay tuned.

Outl4w · Sunday at 9:42 PM

ThunderRoad said:
He's going to ask BriseBois for a commemorative pen to sign that epic contract.

Still holding out hope that keeping Stamkos remains a real possibility...

Imagine if we got Geuntzel signed, Stamkos resigned, Hedman resigns to save a few million, and add some nastiness back in the bottom 6 tomorrow.
Geuntzel Point Kucherov
Stamkos Cirelli Hagel
x- Paul -Essymont
X-Glendenning-Motte
extra Chaffee
I wouldn't mid going after Martinook, Raddysh, or another gritty bottom 6 player on the cheap.
Extras -Gonglaves, ahl call up
Defense
Hedman Raddysh
McD Cernak
Moser Perbix
extra- Lilleberg/Crozier

DFC · Sunday at 9:43 PM

Outl4w said:
Imagine if we got Geuntzel signed, Stamkos resigned, Hedman resigns to save a few million, and add some nastiness back in the bottom 6 tomorrow.
Geuntzel Point Kucherov
Stamkos Cirelli Hagel
x- Paul -Essymont
X-Glendenning-Motte
extra Chaffee
I wouldn't mid going after Martinook, Raddysh, or another gritty bottom 6 player on the cheap.
Extras -Gonglaves, ahl call up
Defense
Hedman Raddysh
McD Cernak
Moser Perbix
extra- Lilleberg/Crozier

I wonder if Stamkos could still play C. I would much rather see Point - Stamkos - Cirelli down the middle. Cirelli at 2C just feels like a roster hole, especially if we're not rocking the league's best 3rd line behind him.

RMF5630 · Sunday at 9:46 PM

DFC said:
I mean, we're hopeful, but everything JBB is saying would lead you to believe that that's exactly the case. We're basically hoping he's lying.

I don't know, the moves indicate something because big. Does just Guntzle move the needle? I think it is Guntzle and Stamkos and one more O minded D-man.

Anybody have an idea of who in minors could be pushing for ice time?

Outl4w · Sunday at 9:50 PM

DFC said:
I wonder if Stamkos could still play C. I would much rather see Point - Stamkos - Cirelli down the middle. Cirelli at 2C just feels like a roster hole, especially if we're not rocking the league's best 3rd line behind him.

I would like that but we would need to sign a solid top 9 forward to slide with Cirelli on the third.
Geuntzel Point Kucherov
Paul Stamkos Hagel
Martinook- Cirelli-Essymont
X-Glendenning-Motte
Something like that would be nice.
Maybe sign someone like Raddysh or a top 6 player needing to provet themself and slide paul down a line.
Geuntzel Point Kucherov
Hagel Stamkos x -sign a budget top 9 forward similar to Duclair style 20-20 player
Paul- Cirelli-Essymont
X-Glendenning-Motte

The Gongshow · Sunday at 9:50 PM

Rschmitz said:
May be something that needs to play out in camp, who knows who Guentzel has chemistry with

Nick Paul! So we have a 8.5M 3rd liner!

Outl4w · Sunday at 9:52 PM

RMF5630 said:
I don't know, the moves indicate something because big. Does just Guntzle move the needle? I think it is Guntzle and Stamkos and one more O minded D-man.

Anybody have an idea of who in minors could be pushing for ice time?

Moser is solid offensively honestly. I watched his highlights. He is better than I thought on a bad team. HE isn't flashy, is sneaky at using hockey iq and skill to move the puck, doesn't make tons of mistakes it seems, and is just queitly steady. He might be our 3rd best defenseman.

RMF5630 · Sunday at 9:52 PM

Rschmitz said:
We currently have 16.5 million in cap space.

Why would Bresbois be reporting to Stamkos and his agent about the moves they are making? No, I don't think they are informing him, this is what a break up looks like.

Don't think so. I think he puts together a team Stamkos is willing to sign. If we stayed pat, than I would agree.

Rschmitz · Sunday at 10:23 PM

RMF5630 said:
Don't think so. I think he puts together a team Stamkos is willing to sign. If we stayed pat, than I would agree.

I think this is what we are all hoping for, we just haven't seen it and we are reading/hearing the opposite.

DFC · Sunday at 10:24 PM

Hoping it's under 9.

RMF5630 · Sunday at 10:28 PM

Rschmitz said:
I think this is what we are all hoping for, we just haven't seen it and we are reading/hearing the opposite.

Well, might as well throw in towel...

Flat Ronnie · Sunday at 10:45 PM

If you were to numerically rank every player in the NHL - let's keep it to just forwards. Let's say: 1) McDavid 2) Kucherov 3) MacKinnon etc. What number would Guentzel be?

DFC · Sunday at 10:47 PM

RMF5630 said:
I don't know, the moves indicate something because big. Does just Guntzle move the needle? I think it is Guntzle and Stamkos and one more O minded D-man.

Anybody have an idea of who in minors could be pushing for ice time?

The farm is not good. Among the driest systems in the league.

I mean, adding Guentzel feels great. Replacing Stamkos with Guentzel... it moves the needle, but not as much as we need to.

I would like to see us bring back stamkos on a super friendly deal, and then go after either a solid RD or another winger.

Flat Ronnie said:
If you were to numerically rank every player in the NHL - let's keep it to just forwards. Let's say: 1) McDavid 2) Kucherov 3) MacKinnon etc. What number would Guentzel be?

50s?

Five Alarm Fire · Sunday at 10:58 PM

Flat Ronnie said:
If you were to numerically rank every player in the NHL - let's keep it to just forwards. Let's say: 1) McDavid 2) Kucherov 3) MacKinnon etc. What number would Guentzel be?

Last 3 scoring finishes amongst forwards:
28th (2024)
48th (2023)
23rd (2022)

I think somewhere in the 30s or early 40s is fair given position.

Todd1a · Sunday at 10:59 PM

DFC said:
Hoping it's under 9.

It’s JBB lol

it’s not gonna be under 9

Rschmitz · Sunday at 11:01 PM

Flat Ronnie said:
If you were to numerically rank every player in the NHL - let's keep it to just forwards. Let's say: 1) McDavid 2) Kucherov 3) MacKinnon etc. What number would Guentzel be?

Top 20

Five Alarm Fire said:
Last 3 scoring finishes amongst forwards:
28th (2024)
48th (2023)
23rd (2022)

I think somewhere in the 30s or early 40s is fair given position.

He missed 15 games last year, projects to about ~95 points and top 15 in scoring when healthy

VinikToWinIt · Sunday at 11:02 PM

Todd1a said:
It’s JBB lol it’s not gonna be under 9

JBB seems to either wildly overpay or lowball to the point of insult.

There is no in between.

Stammertime91 · Sunday at 11:12 PM

VinikToWinIt said:
JBB seems to either wildly overpay or lowball to the point of insult.

There is no in between.

Prima facie, sure.

Hagel, Paul and Cernak were all fair. You could argue maybe 1M too high for Cernak but the lack RD tips the balance.

Todd1a · Sunday at 11:12 PM

VinikToWinIt said:
JBB seems to either wildly overpay or lowball to the point of insult.

There is no in between.

You have no choice you over pay Jake or he tells JBB ok nope I’ll test the market tomorrow and someone will pay me is what it is

OurlordAndSaviorKuch · Sunday at 11:23 PM

Felonious Python said:

I hope it’s 8m just to f*** with the canes and Nuk fans and make the others cope and cry about taxes.

ThunderRoad · Sunday at 11:24 PM

Todd1a said:
You have no choice you over pay Jake or he tells JBB ok nope I’ll test the market tomorrow and someone will pay me is what it is

This is either going to be awesome or holy hell. This guy is about to be paid close to what one of the top 3 forwards in the league makes.

OurlordAndSaviorKuch · Sunday at 11:26 PM

The Gongshow said:
I'd cream

I would take every shit thing I said about JBB today back lmao.

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