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They won’t even have a pick to get Mckenna.

They are likely going to be picking top 10 this year.

They aren’t giving a top 10 pick to the league.
Bruce said earlier this season the Sens are going to ask for an extension on when they can defer the pick (and then hope it goes away). Even if it never goes away, I think they’ll probably be able to delay it since they’re floating that out there.

I think the core has it, that’s what is so frustrating. You add a couple of fast players and suddenly they will look very different IMO. The additions of Amadio, Perron and Cousins have slowed the team down, I think they are even slower then last year.Even secondary fast guys like the Clarke Macarthurs, Antoine Vermettes, Mike Fishers - they need support guys who can go fast and push players back. Way too easy for the oppositions to play their structure and feel safe within it. Just no pace from Ottawa - we don’t scare anyone.
In a world where the core are all performing up to expectations, maybe.

But we have never seen that. Chabot and Norris struggled last year and then got hurt. This year it’s Sanderson and Pinto. At some point you can’t keep waiting for it to click. I do agree the depth hasn’t helped.
 

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Bruce said earlier this season the Sens are going to ask for an extension on when they can defer the pick (and then hope it goes away). Even if it never goes away, I think they’ll probably be able to delay it since they’re floating that out there.
Bettman said like a week ago that they aren’t going to be inclined to revisit the punishment.

Sens had 3 years, that’s a gigantic deferment window that they were only afforded because Andlauer wasn’t involved, no chance they are going to be able to defer it indefinitely.

Coyotes never had any deferment. It was just their 2020 2nd and 2021 1st.
 
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Bettman said like a week ago that they aren’t revisiting the punishment.
Garrioch’s response was in reference to Bettman’s comments. And Andlauer said after that that hopefully the league will do what it did for NJ. I don’t think the conversation is over, Bettman just said he has no plans on it but I don’t expect him to say anything more anyway.

Might just be wishful thinking but seems to me they would publicly kill that narrative if there was no chance of it, and instead Andlauer is continuing to push.
 
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Bettman said like a week ago that they aren’t going to be inclined to revisit the punishment.

Sens had 3 years, that’s a gigantic deferment window that they were only afforded because Andlauer wasn’t involved, no chance they are going to be able to defer it indefinitely.

Coyotes never had any deferment. It was just their 2020 2nd and 2021 1st.
Absolutely
 

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Same hell we were in when the current iteration of "the rebuild" started. Had to give up a 1st (4th overall pick) in year 1, just like we'll have to give up a 1st this season or next. In other words, we're handcuffed from the very beginning... Again.

That and so many missed/wasted opportunities, signings and trades set us back years. E.G. Detroit trades long-time player Tatar (underperforming with 28 pts in 62 games) to Vegas and lands a 1st, a 2nd and a 3rd. Montreal trades their captain to Vegas (locker room friction + declining performance at the time already) and lands Suzuki. Ottawa trades their future captain to Vegas (best two-way winger in the league, well respected with an incredible brain and stick). They land Brännström.

This organization genuinely feels cursed and where other fandoms seem to get enjoyment out of the teams they support, Ottawa feels like nothing but a bane. When you actually detach and watch this team play with (somewhat) neutral eyes, you can tell the players don't care. Not one bit. Most of the core got paid before they accomplished anything in the NHL and few won any major team championship in their respective junior leagues. All they know is well rehearsed lip service. They all say they want to win, yet play nothing like individuals or a team that wants to win. Just try watching other bottom dwellers. They lose out of a lack of talent, rarely a lack of will. It's the complete opposite with us.

Players that have had meaningful team or individual success in the NHL come to Ottawa, suck, leave with statements hinting at something being rotten in Denmark, then go on to resume their stellar play with other organizations. It's a damning indictment of the culture built around and fostered by the Tkachuks and Chabots in the nation's capital.

Let alone cohesive team play, even an honest, consistent 60 minutes effort is too much to ask for this iteration of the Sens. They seldom start on time because "the other team has a say...". When they do feel like it an press at the end, "the goalie made the saves". When they're not tired, they're injured. And when they're not injured, they "didn't get the bounces".

Spell the word "expectations", even with the bar set as low as it can be and the whole team implodes. However, the second there's nothing left on the line, it's all loosy-goosy and buddy-buddy with rehearsed lip service about the future.

It starts at the top and our captain is an immature child that was handed everything from day 1. Alfie, Spezza, Karlsson, Tkachuk. One of those is not like the others. No coaching has ever truly held this group accountable and no management group has had the backbone to truly bring forth meaningful change. it's all been work around the periphery, with often mediocre results.

"The envy of the league", "FYOUS", "Best in class", always sweet promises with nothing to back them up when time comes due. Yet you're expected to commit time and money and be happy about it all.

Yesterday vs LA was the first time in a while the game was on, but I couldn't force myself to consistently watch it, wire to wire. That's because the outcome was clear from the moment and the way they came out at puck drop. It's the same sickening movie. It's been the same sickening movie for as long as this core has been together. If there was a way to truly detach, give up and turn in the fan card, I would. This fanbase seems to care more about it all than coach, management and especially the players. Yet, at this point in time, the fanbase is the one entity that would be served better elsewhere with its time and money.
 

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Garrioch’s response was in reference to Bettman’s comments. And Andlauer said after that that hopefully the league will do what it did for NJ. I don’t think the conversation is over, Bettman just said he has no plans on it but I don’t expect him to say anything more anyway.

Might just be wishful thinking but seems to me they would publicly kill that narrative if there was no chance of it, and instead Andlauer is continuing to push.
Don’t think there is a snowballs chance in hell the Sens come away with a reduced penalty where they keep their own pick in 2025/26.

Definitely will not be able to defer it longer, the 3 years are the 3 years. At best they will get a Jersey decision where they get a pick at the end of a round in a future draft, which doesn’t really do anything.

Would love, LOVE, to be proven wrong, but think at best we get a 33rd overall pick in 2027/28.
 
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Don’t think there is a snowballs chance in hell the Sens come away with a reduced penalty where they keep their own pick in 2025/26.

Definitely will not be able to defer it longer, the 3 years are the 3 years. At best they will get a Jersey decision where they get a pick at the end of a round in a future draft, which doesn’t really do anything.

Would love, LOVE, to be proven wrong, but think at best we get a 33rd overall pick in 2027/28.

Kind of why I hope there's a lawsuit involved.

First round draft picks have a tangible and substantial dollar value, especially high ones, both in terms of a hockey asset and to potential future earnings if the player is a star.

It would seem Andlauer has a great case here and the NHL seems to have been complicit in hiding this penalty during the sale process, in which all financial assets and liabilities legally should have been made available.
 

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We keep saying this (myself included) and then they make changes to change the dynamic and the core still doesn’t get it done. At some point we have to admit they just don’t have what it takes.

This. And by what it takes, I mean still be in the playoff hunt by Christmas lol. The absolute minimum of competitiveness and excitement. Pushing a decade in and this team is still a basement dweller. This core f***ing stinks.
 

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Kind of why I hope there's a lawsuit involved.

First round draft picks have a tangible and substantial dollar value, especially high ones, both in terms of a hockey asset and to potential future earnings if the player is a star.

It would seem Andlauer has a great case here and the NHL seems to have been complicit in hiding this penalty during the sale process, in which all financial assets and liabilities legally should have been made available.
Lawsuit won’t help, he has no case. NHL isn’t stupid, zero chance they’d open themselves up to a lawsuit.

They never hid the penalty, Andlauer was well aware there was one coming. Melnyk’s board and Dorion told him that “it was not a big deal”, or something close.
 
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We keep saying this (myself included) and then they make changes to change the dynamic and the core still doesn’t get it done. At some point we have to admit they just don’t have what it takes.

They don’t have what it takes that’s clear. They are getting worse as the NHL gets more organized and faster.

Big alarms for me when Jacques Martin said they needed speed and lots of it to get better and we went out and signed a bunch of slow guys.
 

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They won’t even have a pick to get Mckenna.

They are likely going to be picking top 10 this year.

They aren’t giving a top 10 pick to the league.
I don't know
Personally I would give this year's and swing for the fence next year for Mckenna or Viggo something and the years after
I think a complete tear up is needed
Been adding to this core for couple of years with different type of players ( Talbot, Gustafsson, Chychrun, ADB,) with zero (none)(-5) success
Still 28th after all those years is something special pathetic
It's just my opinion but were not getting into the PO with this core unfortunately
 
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Garrioch’s response was in reference to Bettman’s comments. And Andlauer said after that that hopefully the league will do what it did for NJ. I don’t think the conversation is over, Bettman just said he has no plans on it but I don’t expect him to say anything more anyway.

Might just be wishful thinking but seems to me they would publicly kill that narrative if there was no chance of it, and instead Andlauer is continuing to push.

If it’s a top 10 pick I think they should draft an injured RW who isn’t on his college teams PP with their top 10 pick because those types of college players are hard to come by.
 
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Lawsuit won’t help, he has no case. NHL isn’t stupid, zero chance they’d open themselves up to a lawsuit.

They never hid the penalty, Andlauer was well aware there was one coming. Melnyk’s board and Dorion told him that “it was not a big deal”, or something close.

Either way he seemed pretty blindsided by it. Someone or some organization failed to properly disclose just what was going on.

Also given how long after the incident it took to make this sort of information public, I think it's pretty clear that the NHL deliberately hid the information or at best dragged their feet to obfuscate this.

I don't know how provable it is, but it seems like enough to at least get something going against someone.
 

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Either way he seemed pretty blindsided by it. Someone or some organization failed to properly disclose just what was going on.

Also given how long after the incident it took to make this sort of information public, I think it's pretty clear that the NHL deliberately hid the information or at best dragged their feet to obfuscate this.

I don't know how provable it is, but it seems like enough to at least get something going against someone.
NHL wouldn’t have levied the punishment if it was open to a lawsuit. Zero chance.
 

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Unfortunately, it’s going to be another one of those years where they are going to be winning and losing every other game and finish 7th-12th overall and miss on an actual meaningful prospect.

As is the way of the Sens. And I’m here for it.

New radio station and new DJ, but still have the Benny Hill theme playing 24/7.
 
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Unfortunately, it’s going to be another one of those years where they are going to be winning and losing every other game and finish 7th-12th overall and miss on an actual meaningful prospect.

As is the way of the Sens.

Rebuild with Canadians, CHL players and Swedes.

Let’s not do this American kid thing again. Isn’t working and these American kids all have one foot out the door already.
 
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Sens have 3 American kids who all signed 7/8 year deals to remain with the Sens for 10 years total

That’s fine, they went all in with this group of Americans and the best U.S. born player for Ottawa is still Craig Anderson

American players don’t work in Ottawa, this group, Bobby Ryan, Colin White it doesn’t work. Whatever it is, I don’t care to find out
 
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I think this team is close to good but not currently good enough

Why?
1. We still give up too many soft goals. One of the first or third goals last night has to be stopped.
2. We have a ghost masquerading as Shane Pinto. We actually need a 3C playing like we thought Pinto would.
3. We're too thin on D. Kleven could use a rest and a seat but we can't give him that.
4. We need a play driver on D. Idk what happened to Jake but he's gone underground since about game 10. And although chabot does a decent job of driving play, he offsets himself with his brain farts.
5. We need secondary scoring that scores.
6. Chabot is not part of the solution on the pk.

No particular order on that. Just my thoughts on the issues that plague us.
 
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I think this team is close to good but not currently good enough

Why?
1. We still give up too many soft goals. One of the first or third goals last night has to be stopped.
2. We have a ghost masquerading as Shane Pinto. We actually need a 3C playing like we thought Pinto would.
3. We're too thin on D. Kleven could use a rest and a seat but we can't give him that.
4. We need a play driver on D. Idk what happened to Jake but he's gone underground since about game 10. And although chabot does a decent job of driving play, he offsets himself with his brain farts.
5. We need secondary scoring that scores.
6. Chaotic is not part of the solution on the pk.

No particular order on that. Just my thoughts on the issues that plague us.
That’s a lot of flaws.

But you’re right. If Ullmark and Sanderson were elite this year as we’d hoped, and Pinto was driving the third line appropriately, I think you can maybe deal with the rest of the flaws.

As it is, without all three of those guys going, we’re not deep enough to be good.
 
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This team and its makeup is treading towards a wildcard team at the very best.

Something needs to give to go from bottom dweller to wildcard team to a contender. I just don't see it with the players that we have.

Only game breaker we have is Timmy and perhaps Sanderson hence why I don't think we should trade either. Everyone else should be up for sale.
 

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Dorion f***ed over this team so severely. They can't even tear it down as they don't have their pick. Just like when they traded for Duchene. He did it to them twice!

Staios will try to right the ship as much as possible for this season and next. If it still goes off the rails, he will tear it down after they lose their first next year.
 

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Need to hire a GM.

Said in the off-season, hire a f***ing GM and let Staios do his job as POHO.

Hire a new head amateur scout. Why in the flying f*** are we running it back with the same bozos we have had for the past 25 years

Sens haven’t drafted a European player who has made in what, 15 years? Make a change.
 
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Need to hire a GM.

Said in the off-season, hire a f***ing GM and let Staios do his job as POHO.

Hire a new head amateur scout. Why in the flying f*** are we running it back with the same bozos we have had for the past 25 years

Sens haven’t drafted a European player who has made in what, 15 years? Make a change.

I thought Germany was in Europe… isn’t that where our best player is from?
 

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