Proposal: Tanev to Toronto/Buffalo/Colorado

[Ivan13]

TANEV IS A GREAT 1.5 to 2 tweener......not quite a #1 but plays with a number 1 and makes him better, he is elite in what he does.

#1 Trade

My belief is he is worth Toronto 2017 1st + top prospect + 2018 2nd

Can we afford to take just Picks? No not really, but Toronto pays up gladly

#2 Trade

Reinhart +2018 2nd for Tanev + Virtanen

#3 Trade

Tanev for McKinnon

In each case I ask you does obtaining Tanev make the teams Better?

And to be fair and not kill the trades immediately, is there an add that makes it even?

 

[Ivan13]

You would decline Horvat, Demko, Boeser, Juolevi, Virtanen, Tanev, Hutton, 2017 1st for MacKinnon?

Yeah, there's no such thing as cap and roster restrictions. So glad you kept it real.

 

[Aeros026]

How about something around :

Tanev + Juolevi for Mackinnon + Bigras

 

[maplejays62]

TANEV IS A GREAT 1.5 to 2 tweener......not quite a #1 but plays with a number 1 and makes him better, he is elite in what he does.

#1 Trade

My belief is he is worth Toronto 2017 1st + top prospect + 2018 2nd

Can we afford to take just Picks? No not really, but Toronto pays up gladly

#2 Trade

Reinhart +2018 2nd for Tanev + Virtanen

#3 Trade

Tanev for McKinnon

In each case I ask you does obtaining Tanev make the teams Better?

And to be fair and not kill the trades immediately, is there an add that makes it even?

We are talking about Chris Tanev and not Paul Coffey correct?

Not only do you want a first (which is way too much already) but a second and a top prospect? That's just insane. And I have too think that Colorado totally laughs at this also.

 

[maplejays62]

TANEV IS A GREAT 1.5 to 2 tweener......not quite a #1 but plays with a number 1 and makes him better, he is elite in what he does.

#1 Trade

My belief is he is worth Toronto 2017 1st + top prospect + 2018 2nd

Can we afford to take just Picks? No not really, but Toronto pays up gladly

#2 Trade

Reinhart +2018 2nd for Tanev + Virtanen

#3 Trade

Tanev for McKinnon

In each case I ask you does obtaining Tanev make the teams Better?

And to be fair and not kill the trades immediately, is there an add that makes it even?

We are talking about Chris Tanev and not Paul Coffey correct?

Not only do you want a first (which is way too much already) but a second and a top prospect? That's just insane. And I have too think that Colorado totally laughs at this also.

 

[johna2626]

TANEV IS A GREAT 1.5 to 2 tweener......not quite a #1 but plays with a number 1 and makes him better, he is elite in what he does.

#1 Trade

My belief is he is worth Toronto 2017 1st + top prospect + 2018 2nd

Can we afford to take just Picks? No not really, but Toronto pays up gladly

#2 Trade

Reinhart +2018 2nd for Tanev + Virtanen

#3 Trade

Tanev for McKinnon

In each case I ask you does obtaining Tanev make the teams Better?

And to be fair and not kill the trades immediately, is there an add that makes it even?

I'd trade you Brandon Tanev in any of those deals

 

[Liferleafer]

TANEV IS A GREAT 1.5 to 2 tweener......not quite a #1 but plays with a number 1 and makes him better, he is elite in what he does.

#1 Trade

My belief is he is worth Toronto 2017 1st + top prospect + 2018 2nd

Can we afford to take just Picks? No not really, but Toronto pays up gladly

#2 Trade

Reinhart +2018 2nd for Tanev + Virtanen

#3 Trade

Tanev for McKinnon

In each case I ask you does obtaining Tanev make the teams Better?

And to be fair and not kill the trades immediately, is there an add that makes it even?

Toronto doesn't touch your offer with a 10 foot pole.

 

[Patmac40]

Tanev for a 1st, top prospect, and a 2nd isn't happening.

Benning offering him straight up for MacKinnon will literally make Sakic block his number.

 

[Ivan13]

How about something around :

Tanev + Juolevi for Mackinnon + Bigras

How about hell no?

Nate isn't going anywhere and neither is Bigras.

 

[strictlyrandy]

How about something around :

Tanev + Juolevi for Mackinnon + Bigras

Thanks for being worse than the OP, that's a breath of fresh air.

Absolutely not to the OP. There is no player on the Canucks that can return MacKinnon (how do people still spell his name wrong?)

Tanev is a good player, but he is not worth a #1 center.

Maybe a good roster player (like a Soderberg) and an unprotected first?

A team's best player or their top prospect? Nope.

 

[Kshahdoo]

I don't think you understand how potentially bad the Leafs will likely be again. Tanev makes us better but he wouldn't suddenly vault us up in the standings. He's good but he's not that good.

Nah, Tanev is exactly what Toronto needs, he's top5 defensive dman of the league. The team has good forwards, but terrible defense. With Tanev the defense all of a sudden turns into a very decent. If Andersen plays like he did vs Florida or Boston, that 1st won't probably be top10.

But Toronto fans may not bother to argue, because Vancouver won't trade Tanev for futures.

 

[xxreact9]

I think I can comfortably say Tanev is now the most overrated player in the league AINEC. Constant references to high-end #2 or #1. First of all, when you're an 18 point scorer in this league even if you build a titanium wall blocking your net... you still aren't a #1 or #2. His offense needs to improve to at least around 25-30 points before any sort of legit #2 status is granted. He just doesn't bring enough to the game for a career-max 18-20 point scorer to be called a bonafide top-pairing #2 guy in the NHL.

In fact, last year alone, 81, yes, EIGHTY ONE, defenseman outscored Tanev's career high. I'm sorry but the position of defense involves a lot more than just shot suppression. This kid is a high-end #3 who lacks offense until he's able to output a LOT more.

The fact you're asking for NATHAN MACKINNON, #1 overall picks, #3 defenseman who is 26 and won't evolve much more? This is pitiful man. Pitiful.

 

[xxreact9]

Nah, Tanev is exactly what Toronto needs, he's top5 defensive dman of the league. The team has good forwards, but terrible defense. With Tanev the defense all of a sudden turns into a very decent. If Andersen plays like he did vs Florida or Boston, that 1st won't probably be top10.

But Toronto fans may not bother to argue, because Vancouver won't trade Tanev for futures.

Stop.... why is it that whenever a player is underrated, he soon becomes very overrated due to hyperbole and absurdity?

TOP 5?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Weber. Vlasic. Keith. Doughty. Hedman. OEL.... could go on a lot further.

The exaggeration is severe. He had a 44% corsi last year, frighteningly bad. He was a -8 and scored 18 points in 69 games. Playing with Edler too?

We've got the opinions. Definitely not short on opinions asserting he's a high end #2, or a #1, or a "top-5 defender". Where are the results? Where is the evidence? As far as I'm concerned, there isn't a single stat in the universe that shows this guy is a top pairing defender. Unless he's the worlds first player in history of any sport to completely defy statistics and repeatedly do poorly over huge sample sizes while actually being very good..... something is up here.

He's supposedly an elite shot suppressor. That's his thing, his forte. Why was his corsi% abysmal? Can you really blame that much on your teammates?

 

[Halla]

TANEV IS A GREAT 1.5 to 2 tweener......not quite a #1 but plays with a number 1 and makes him better, he is elite in what he does.

#1 Trade

My belief is he is worth Toronto 2017 1st + top prospect + 2018 2nd

Can we afford to take just Picks? No not really, but Toronto pays up gladly

#2 Trade

Reinhart +2018 2nd for Tanev + Virtanen

#3 Trade

Tanev for McKinnon

In each case I ask you does obtaining Tanev make the teams Better?

And to be fair and not kill the trades immediately, is there an add that makes it even?

tanev for mackinnon?

wow. thats horribad

 

[AustonsNostrils]

As a Buffalo fan I would not take a risk on Virtanen, considerable bust risk with him.

But I would trade Reinhart and Evander Kane for Tanev and Juolevi.

 

[WeDislikeEich]

Thanks, but no thanks from Buffalo.

Buffalo isn't ready to compete for anything yet. We absolutely can Not afford to trade away our 20 year #2 overall draft pick from 2014 for a 27 year old player. And personally, I'd want a better defenseman than Tanev coming back if I am trading Reinhart. If that's not possible, hen I gladly just keep Reinhart. (I'm not trying to say Tanev isn't good, either. He is very good).

Reinhart is a core player anyway. He isn't going anywhere. Tim Murray loves the kid. Him and Jack Eichel are best friends and roommates. Reinhart/Eichel both talk about wanting to become the next big dynamic duo for Buffalo. I'd like to see them get the chance to make that happen. It would take more than Tanev to get me to give up on (potentially) seeing that happen...

 

[Soups On]

Stop.... why is it that whenever a player is underrated, he soon becomes very overrated due to hyperbole and absurdity?

TOP 5?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Weber. Vlasic. Keith. Doughty. Hedman. OEL.... could go on a lot further.

The exaggeration is severe. He had a 44% corsi last year, frighteningly bad. He was a -8 and scored 18 points in 69 games. Playing with Edler too?

We've got the opinions. Definitely not short on opinions asserting he's a high end #2, or a #1, or a "top-5 defender". Where are the results? Where is the evidence? As far as I'm concerned, there isn't a single stat in the universe that shows this guy is a top pairing defender. Unless he's the worlds first player in history of any sport to completely defy statistics and repeatedly do poorly over huge sample sizes while actually being very good..... something is up here.

He's supposedly an elite shot suppressor. That's his thing, his forte. Why was his corsi% abysmal? Can you really blame that much on your teammates?

*Sigh*

Tanev is a top pairing dman who faces the opponent's top line every night and puts up amazing advanced stats against them. I'm not the best at finding the advanced stats and I'll leave most of the work to someone like K2B, but here's a little Google search as to why you're wrong.

1) He did not have 44% Corsi last year, that is this year over the course of 6 games
2) Last year, he had a corsi of 50% while starting in the dzone 43.7% of the time. Again, playing mostly against the other teams best players
3) Look at the terrible team he's on. Vancouver sucks. The team recorded 2311 shots on net, 191 GF. 2653 shots against, 243 GA. Yet Tanev despite facing having I believe (could be wrong) top 5 hardest zone starts and matchups ended up with a +6.3 corsi and +2.7 RelCorsi.

And just for future reference, people call Tanev a top 5 DEFENSIVE defensemen because that's his primary focus and what he lacks in offensive creativity he makes up for in the other 2 zones. You know, in the same category as Hjalmarsson and Classic. Obviously Herman, Doughty, Keith etc are great defensively and offensively and thus no one classifies them as defensive defensemen.

As to the OP, all the other teams likely say no. If Tanev was closer to 22, they'd think hard about it.

On another note, I guess it's an HF thing for fans to be very offended when there's a bad proposal and resort to hyperbole over and over again. Kudos to the individuals that actually critique in an informative way.

 

[scan15*]

From Toronto

1st round pick (top 3 protected) + 2nd round pick

or

1st round pick (top 10 protected) + Dermott + Bracco

 

[Der Jaeger]

Counter offer from Buffalo:

Kane and 2017 protected 1st for Tanev.

Or

Kane and unprotected 2017 1st for Juolevi.

Note: charges against Kane are reported likely to be dismissed.

 

[HockeyHead21]

TANEV IS A GREAT 1.5 to 2 tweener......not quite a #1 but plays with a number 1 and makes him better, he is elite in what he does.

#1 Trade

My belief is he is worth Toronto 2017 1st + top prospect + 2018 2nd

Can we afford to take just Picks? No not really, but Toronto pays up gladly

#2 Trade

Reinhart +2018 2nd for Tanev + Virtanen

#3 Trade

Tanev for McKinnon

In each case I ask you does obtaining Tanev make the teams Better?

And to be fair and not kill the trades immediately, is there an add that makes it even?

Hard pass from Colorado.

Does he play the left side? Nothing like having 16M wrapped up in 3 right handed defenceman.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Doubt that Vancouver even has the pieces to nab Mackinnon.

 

[Kshahdoo]

*Sigh*

Tanev is a top pairing dman who faces the opponent's top line every night and puts up amazing advanced stats against them. I'm not the best at finding the advanced stats and I'll leave most of the work to someone like K2B, but here's a little Google search as to why you're wrong.

1) He did not have 44% Corsi last year, that is this year over the course of 6 games
2) Last year, he had a corsi of 50% while starting in the dzone 43.7% of the time. Again, playing mostly against the other teams best players
3) Look at the terrible team he's on. Vancouver sucks. The team recorded 2311 shots on net, 191 GF. 2653 shots against, 243 GA. Yet Tanev despite facing having I believe (could be wrong) top 5 hardest zone starts and matchups ended up with a +6.3 corsi and +2.7 RelCorsi.

And just for future reference, people call Tanev a top 5 DEFENSIVE defensemen because that's his primary focus and what he lacks in offensive creativity he makes up for in the other 2 zones. You know, in the same category as Hjalmarsson and Classic. Obviously Herman, Doughty, Keith etc are great defensively and offensively and thus no one classifies them as defensive defensemen.

As to the OP, all the other teams likely say no. If Tanev was closer to 22, they'd think hard about it.

On another note, I guess it's an HF thing for fans to be very offended when there's a bad proposal and resort to hyperbole over and over again. Kudos to the individuals that actually critique in an informative way.

Is this autocorrection or people call Vlasic this way?

 

[nuckfan insk]

If Caggiula was healthy (and we confirmed he's a legit 3C in the NHL), and VAN weren't in the same division:

Nuge

for

Tanev


Nuge is a Vancouver kid and a massive upgrade at the #2 centre spot for VAN, eventual #1C. Centre and Dmen carry roughly equivalent value. I watch VAN a lot, I know how good of a defensive Dman Tanev is.

Klefbom-Larsson
Sekera-Tanev
Nurse-Russell

Davidson potentially in for Nurse when healthy. That's a lethal top 4, we would still have McDavid-Drai-Caggiula down the middle. However, with Caggiula injured (need to confirm he's a legit 3C) and VAN in division, doubt any trade gets made.

Nuge for Tanev is probably the fairest objective value I think.

I like nuge but he has a significantly higher salary and I feel tanev is worth more, based on his value to his team on a nightly basis. Edmonton will need to clear salary for draisatl and McDavid extensions too.

 

[snipes]

I like nuge but he has a significantly higher salary and I feel tanev is worth more, based on his value to his team on a nightly basis. Edmonton will need to clear salary for draisatl and McDavid extensions too.

Salary considerations could tip the scale, I'd add a mid-round pick/prospect to Nuge if necessary to close a deal.

Being Pacific rivals, it'll never happen. This is purely academic. The point was more how highly I think of Tanev having actually watched him lots. I think many people in the East don't know how good this guy is. Defensive Dmen also aren't appreciated here.

I view Tanev as a poor mans Vlasic without as much offence. If I have one flaw with Tanev it's his shot, he's got a below average shot. However, his value is in the defensive zone. Great player.

 

[Rebuilt]

There is nothing Vancouver could package together to get MacKinnon.

Tanev Horvat and Demko wont get you MacKinnon?

You mean there is nothing Vancouver WOULD package to get MacKinnon.