Superstars Who Have Won Extra Awards/Accolades by Proxy

[MarkusNaslund19]

Confusing title, I know.

So when I'm bored or anxious I often go onto Sporcle and put my hockey trivia knowledge to use and one recent quiz I was working on reminded me that in 84-85 not only did Mario Lemieux make the all-rookie team, but so did his winger Warren Young.

Now, the rest of Young's career suggests that he doesn't sniff that accolade without Lemieux feeding it to him pass by pass.

So it got me thinking, for some of the generational players. What are some accolades that they clearly earned but with another player's name on the trophy/accolade?

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[vadim sharifijanov]

i know a poster who would give claude julien two vezinas…

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Thornton gets Cheechoo's Rocket

 

[Primary Assist]

Bobrovsky gets Tortorella's second Jack Adams

 

[Plural]

Maybe bit too harsh, but Kunitz owes Sid his Team Canada visit?

 

[MadLuke]

Thornton gets Cheechoo's Rocket

That some of the first one you think, would Cheechoo won that year, how much of Kurri is from Gretzky.

Kunitz gold medal is a little bit from Crosby. (edit: already mentionned)

A little bit of the most goal ever record was an Orr record by proxy, maybe all those 200 pts season have a little bit of a Coffey by proxy.

 

[Plural]

@MadLuke for Kurri and Gretzky symbiosis, I don't know how "fair" it is to put this asterix on Kurri's "retro" rocket. I mean, he absolutely won't score those numbers without Gretzky, but maybe two decades a go I remember seeing a great quote (can't remember by who). But it went something along like this: Kurri's ability to allow Gretzky cheat on center's defensive responsibilities is the most underrated offensive feat of the 80's".


As another suggestion for the thread, how about Lehtinen owes a bit of his Selke's to Modano?

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

As another suggestion for the thread, how about Lehtinen owes a bit of his Selke's to Modano?

i was going to suggest the opposite: modano owes the year he was a selke finalist to lehtinen

 

[dr robbie]

Oates should probably get a good chunk of Hull's 3 retro rockets with the early 90s Blues.

 

[Mike C]

Butch Goring got Mike Bossy's Conn Smythe

 

[Plural]

Oates should probably get a good chunk of Hull's 3 retro rockets with the early 90s Blues.

Or, replace Oates with "average 1C" and how many rockets Hull loses?

 

[VanIslander]

Or, replace Oates with "average 1C" and how many rockets Hull loses?

All of them.

The Oates Effect is well documented.

 

[Plural]

All of them.

The Oates Effect is well documented.

Ok, never really looked in to it. At face value I would have thought that one of the top-3 largest margins for "Rocket" would hold no matter who is feeding you.

I'm not saying the documented effect is not real, I just haven't seen it and find it hard to believe.

 

[VanIslander]

The eye test is indeed important.

Longtime Caps fans know the difference between Pivonka to Bondra from Backstrom to Ovechkin.

 

[Plural]

The eye test is indeed important.

Longtime Caps fans know the difference between Pivonka to Bondra from Backstrom to Ovechkin.

Eye test of course. I agree. Can you point me to documents/etc. you mentioned? Would love to look bit more in to it.

I always thought that Brett Hull was good enough of a scorer to lead the league in goals. Oates just widened his margins.

 

[Albatros]

Hull still scored 16 goals in 18 games while Oates was out.

 

[The Panther]

maybe all those 200 pts season have a little bit of a Coffey by proxy.

A little bit, probably, but not nearly as much as is generally thought. Looking at Gretzky / Coffey in 1986-87 and then Gretzky in 1987-88:
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In December 1986, Coffey first missed 10 games. In those games, Gretzky scored 14 goals and 29 points. Then, in January-February 1987, Coffey missed another 10 games. In those game, Gretzky scored 7 goals and 28 points. (On April 4th -- the 80th and final game of the season -- both Gretzky and Coffey skipped the game to rest for the playoffs.) In the playoffs, Coffey missed the final four games of the Los Angeles series. In those 4 games, Gretzky scored 2 goals and 14 points.

Overall, Gretzky played (incl. playoffs) 100 games in 1986-87: 76 with Coffey, and 24 without Coffey. Here's the breakdown:

1986-87 Gretzky with Coffey:
146 points in 76 games = 1.92 PPG (154 points per 80 games)
1986-87 Gretzky without Coffey:
71 points in 24 games = 2.96 PPG (237 points per 80 games)

Sure, maybe a favorable schedule and the four playoff games being vs. Los Angeles makes this distinction look greater than it really is, but clearly Gretzky wasn't struggling to score without Coffey. In fact, he was scoring way, way more without Coffey.

Then, in 1987-88 -- entirely without Coffey -- Gretzky scored 192 points in 83 games (though, really, it was more like 81 or 82 games). This, with the Oilers now scoring 63 fewer total goals in the RS than they'd scored in the previous full season with Coffey.