Stutzle goal called off due to “interference”

[Barsky]

Yes, she was great.

Yes, agreed, the sky is down and water is dry...

 

[SEALBound]

It was called interference, no goal, and Stutzle got a penalty.

Former referee Dave Jackson interview posted in this thread, said it was a bad call.
Looks like that doesn’t help you with your rage.

I get that. Stutzle slashes the stick. That's a penalty, meaning his touching the pick creates a stoppage. Calling the goal off and calling the penalty seems like the right call.

Are people arguing at you can just slash the stick or...? This looks incredibly simple to me.

 

[jbeck5]

I'm 8 pages behind, but I thought Stutzle slashed the stick out of Svechnikov's hands. Is that not the penalty?

I'm finding it hard to be in an uproar here so if someone could help me out and help me get enraged, that would be great.

Because it's not consistently called. McDavid knocked the stick out of a sens player and it went like 20 ft in the air...

Why isn't that a super ridiculously obvious penalty if knocking the stick out of someone who's reachings hand is a penalty?

Why wouldn't the stick going up 20 ft in the air be obvious enough to catch a refs attention to call the obvious penalty if it's an automatic?

 

[jbeck5]

I get that. Stutzle slashes the stick. That's a penalty, meaning his touching the pick creates a stoppage. Calling the goal off and calling the penalty seems like the right call.

Are people arguing at you can just slash the stick or...? This looks incredibly simple to me.

It's not called most times. Like I've said, last game, McDavid knocked a stick out of a player's hand and it went up 20 ft in the air and everyone in the building saw this stick go flying up higher than the glass.

Why didn't McDavid get a penalty for knocking the stick out of the sens players hand?

This wasn't a case of the refs not seeing it as the stick went flying...it means that these refs are of the mind that knocking the stick out of your opponent's hands is not a penalty...

So then what is the direction from the league's office to the refs.

Is knocking the stick out of your opponent's hands a penalty or not? If it's a matter of discretion on the ref based on force...surely the stick going up 20 ft over the glass would be enough force, no?

So what's the deal????

 

[Golden_Jet]

I get that. Stutzle slashes the stick. That's a penalty, meaning his touching the pick creates a stoppage. Calling the goal off and calling the penalty seems like the right call.

Are people arguing at you can just slash the stick or...? This looks incredibly simple to me.

Majority think good goal, including a former NHL referee.
Svech is not even close enough to slash Stutzle, even reaching as far as he can, with one hand on the end of his stick. It was just a bad call

You should listen to interview, he explains why ref who called it had a bad view, and would have been concentrating on the player with the puck, vs Stutzle. Also said back ref never raised his hand, said they should of had a scrum and counted the goal.

 

[LuckyPierre]

It's not called most times. Like I've said, last game, McDavid knocked a stick out of a player's hand and it went up 20 ft in the air and everyone in the building saw this stick go flying up higher than the glass.

Why didn't McDavid get a penalty for knocking the stick out of the sens players hand?

This wasn't a case of the refs not seeing it as the stick went flying...it means that these refs are of the mind that knocking the stick out of your opponent's hands is not a penalty...

So then what is the direction from the league's office to the refs.

Is knocking the stick out of your opponent's hands a penalty or not? If it's a matter of discretion on the ref based on force...surely the stick going up 20 ft over the glass would be enough force, no?

So what's the deal????

My take is that if you opt to have one hand on your stick, you waive the right to have that penalty called. You’re reaching. An ordinary run of the mill stick check could have enough force to knock the stick out of your hand, and that ought not be penalized. Another player shouldn’t have to be responsible for calibrating the force of an NHL stick check according to whether you’re holding it with two hands, or choose to have one hand on it.

If you have both hands on your stick, and it’s knocked out of your hands, well there are a couple scenarios. Was it a stick lift? Too bad - hold onto your stick. Was it a downward slash? That could be a call, depending on whether or not the official deems it to be legit, and not embellished by dropping one’s stick at the same time as a slash occurs.

Of course, when a stick is broken by a forceful stick check, automatic penalty.

 

[SEALBound]

It's not called most times. Like I've said, last game, McDavid knocked a stick out of a player's hand and it went up 20 ft in the air and everyone in the building saw this stick go flying up higher than the glass.

Why didn't McDavid get a penalty for knocking the stick out of the sens players hand?

This wasn't a case of the refs not seeing it as the stick went flying...it means that these refs are of the mind that knocking the stick out of your opponent's hands is not a penalty...

So then what is the direction from the league's office to the refs.

Is knocking the stick out of your opponent's hands a penalty or not? If it's a matter of discretion on the ref based on force...surely the stick going up 20 ft over the glass would be enough force, no?

So what's the deal????

That should also likely be a penalty.

Majority think good goal, including a former NHL referee.
Svech is not even close enough to slash Stutzle, even reaching as far as he can, with one hand on the end of his stick. It was just a bad call

You should listen to interview, he explains why ref who called it had a bad view, and would have been concentrating on the player with the puck, vs Stutzle. Also said back ref never raised his hand, said they should of had a scrum and counted the goal.

But it's Stutzle who slashes the stick out of Svechnikov's hand, not allowing him to make a play. We see this relatively often, and it's called a penalty. Maybe not "interference" but certainly slashing.

If he slashed it out of his hands at the blue line and it was immediately called without the goal being a factor, would we be mad?

Again, I'm just not getting the uproar here. Seems pretty straightforward.

 

[Golden_Jet]

That should also likely be a penalty.

But it's Stutzle who slashes the stick out of Svechnikov's hand, not allowing him to make a play. We see this relatively often, and it's called a penalty. Maybe not "interference" but certainly slashing.

If he slashed it out of his hands at the blue line and it was immediately called without the goal being a factor, would we be mad?

Again, I'm just not getting the uproar here. Seems pretty straightforward.

I’ll take the opinion of a someone who reffed 1500 games,

doesn’t even sound like you’ve listened to it either,

As Jackson alluded to, that will go on his game sheet as a bad call (as a goal was taken away, and a penalty given)
He said every call is graded.

 

[SEALBound]

I’ll take the opinion of a someone who reffed 1500 games,

doesn’t even sound like you’ve listened to it either,

As Jackson alluded to, that will go on his game sheet as a bad call (as a goal was taken away, and a penalty given)
He said every call is graded.

Okay, thanks.

 

[dirtydanglez]

i wonder if this is a reputation call on stutzle.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

i wonder if this is a reputation call on stutzle.

Well, considering it was against Svech, who is also a frequent target for questionable calls against him, I’d say no.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Could not happen to a better guy

 

[swiftwin]

I'm 8 pages behind, but I thought Stutzle slashed the stick out of Svechnikov's hands. Is that not the penalty?

I'm finding it hard to be in an uproar here so if someone could help me out and help me get enraged, that would be great.

I mean, Svechnikov was the one reaching from behind to interfere with Stutzle who is trying to score a goal. Stutzle is looking forward the whole time and is winding up to shoot.

 

[RogerRogerr]

The stick should have gotten 2 minutes for diving.

 

[BB79]

I just enjoyed how the Canes player had his hands in the air like he just scored the goal, kind of comical end to the sequence

 

[Panthaz89]

I don't like the diver in Tim but this is a joke to think that he's actually slashing the stick rather than simply getting ready to finish the 2 on 1 with a desperate guy reaching in with no grip on the stick.

 

[Sol]

What on earth is this? How do they call that

 

[jbeck5]

My take is that if you opt to have one hand on your stick, you waive the right to have that penalty called. You’re reaching. An ordinary run of the mill stick check could have enough force to knock the stick out of your hand, and that ought not be penalized. Another player shouldn’t have to be responsible for calibrating the force of an NHL stick check according to whether you’re holding it with two hands, or choose to have one hand on it.

If you have both hands on your stick, and it’s knocked out of your hands, well there are a couple scenarios. Was it a stick lift? Too bad - hold onto your stick. Was it a downward slash? That could be a call, depending on whether or not the official deems it to be legit, and not embellished by dropping one’s stick at the same time as a slash occurs.

Of course, when a stick is broken by a forceful stick check, automatic penalty.

Does the wording say anything about the direction the slash is coming from?

You're saying hitting the stick upwards and out of someones hands is allowed but hitting a stick downwards and out of someone's hands is not allowed?

What about hitting it sideways? Where is the wording for the direction of the stick knock in the writing?

I find it strange that you differentiate the direction it's coming from.

Why wouldn knocking the stick out of the hands be depended on the direction of the knocking???

 

[LuckyPierre]

Does the wording say anything about the direction the slash is coming from?

You're saying hitting the stick upwards and out of someones hands is allowed but hitting a stick downwards and out of someone's hands is not allowed?

What about hitting it sideways? Where is the wording for the direction of the stick knock in the writing?

I find it strange that you differentiate the direction it's coming from.

Why wouldn knocking the stick out of the hands be depended on the direction of the knocking???

Knocking a stick up is a stick lift, while coming down on a stick with force is a slash.

You're right in that hitting it sideways is another scenario, but in my mind, that should never dislodge a stick from the grip of an NHL player. Nor should a stick lift, realistically.

Not sure if I'm going upstream here relative to the opinion of most, but I believe that the onus should almost always be on the 'victim' to hold onto their stick with a tight two handed grip.

It's far too easy to cheat the game by loosening one's grip to look for a call if you want to. Also, stick battles happen all the time with and without the puck, so guard your stick accordingly.

Again, the one exception being a distinctly hard downwards slash on another players stick, with the slashing position potentially beginning above the shoulders and coming downwards, where the victim has both hands on their stick and it's knocked down to the ice. Bonus points for a stick break.

Any other circumstance is just soft to me.