Proposal: Stl - TB

[RSchmitz PhD]

To Saint Louis
Tyler Johnson
Bishop (50% retained)

To Tampa Bay
Shattenkirk
Barbashev
Conditional 2nd (becomes a 1st if Blues advance to second round)

 

[bluesfan3109]

take out bishop and we can start a new discussion

 

[Linkens Mastery]

I respectfully decline. If we could cut out the picks, Bishop, and Barb we could talk about adding to either side, but Barbie is the Blues only center prospect and we need him going forward, plus we aren't really shopping for a goalie. We'd much rather see what happens with Allen until the end of the year with a new Coach and goalie Coach.

 

[Vatican Roulette]

To Saint Louis
Tyler Johnson
Bishop (50% retained)

To Tampa Bay
Shattenkirk
Barbashev
Conditional 2nd (becomes a 1st if Blues advance to second round)

Not too shabby. I like the fact that it fills team needs.

Also, a gamble for both teams.

 

[Dbrownss]

Pass on Bishop, only interest i have would be Johnson or a right winger.

 

[Evocable Manager]

Not a bad proposal, but at this point I don't think Bishop helps. Can't afford him after this season and I'd rather ride Allen and hope he figures it out.

We need to cash in on Shattenkirk for futures and the last thing we should do is trade our only potential top 6 center (who is far from guaranteed to be that good). We also shouldn't be shipping out draft picks either.

I don't think Tampa Bay can afford Shattenkirk and I don't see them renting him or moving Johnson for him.

There just isn't much of a deal here IMO.

 

[tjs*]

Horrible for the Lightning. Bishop for Shattenkirk is useless since we can't afford to resign Shatty even with the loss of Johnson's contract, and why the hell are we trading Johnson for Barbashev? No chance Yzerman does this.

 

[SirPaste]

Can't include Bishop unless Allen is going the other way

 

[Vatican Roulette]

I don't think Bishop would mean much to STL, but he'd be a good trade chip @ ~ 3 million.

 

[simon IC]

Polite "No thank you!".

 

[Meeqs]

Well thought out and a complicated deal due to the expansion draft but ohh boy does this turn out rough if Shatty doesn't resign.

So much going on here this isn't a deal that is unfair towards one side or the other but purely about if both sides are willing to take on the components of the deal or not.

 

[Dbrownss]

I'll ask this, whats Johnsons cost?

 

[bluetuned]

I'd love to get Johnson to line up with Tarasenko, but I don't see a deal like this being realistic. I don't see Tampa extending Shattenkirk (even without Johnson), and I don't think the Blues are ready to throw in the towel yet on Allen, so Bishop isn't in the cards.

 

[RSchmitz PhD]

Glad that most of you all appreciate the thought I put into this.

Bishop and TJ fill needs for the Blues, and with Parayko and Pietrangelo on the right side Shattenkik becomes expendable. The retention is so that the Blues can fit under the cap this year for a postseason run.

Shattenkirk potentially fills a need for the Lightning, Barbashev gives us a potential scoring line center who isn't a midget, and the pick evens up the value. The condition is there to protect the Blues in case their season unexpectedly takes a turn for the worse.

The way I see it, this trade is done with the idea that both Shattenkirk and Bishop are rentals and extensions are not discussed until after the trade. I think Shattenkirk holds more value than Bishop, plus the Blues are one of the few teams who really need a goalie this season. St.Louis may be the only team the Lightning can trade Bishop to, and there is no point in keeping him during a losing season.

After the deal, the Lightning have about a month to see how Kevin fits, contact his agent, and figure out if an extension can eventually be worked out. If it can't, than we trade Shattenkirk at the TDL, which should be significantly easier given the demand for defensemen.

St.Louis meanwhile have their own talks with Bishops agent. If the cost is too high, they let him walk. If he lowers his demand after a subpar season, the Blues can sign him after the expansion draft and then deal Allen.

 

[RSchmitz PhD]

I'll ask this, whats Johnsons cost?

Ideally a cost controlled top 4 defenseman. Could get him for futures if we found that in a separate deal.

Yzerman has been quite public about looking for help on defense.

 

[BangarangxRufio]

Glad that most of you all appreciate the thought I put into this.

Bishop and TJ fill needs for the Blues, and with Parayko and Pietrangelo on the right side Shattenkik becomes expendable. The retention is so that the Blues can fit under the cap this year for a postseason run.

Shattenkirk potentially fills a need for the Lightning, Barbashev gives us a potential scoring line center who isn't a midget, and the pick evens up the value. The condition is there to protect the Blues in case their season unexpectedly takes a turn for the worse..

The Blues have multiple goalie prospects to fill in behind Allen if things get too rough. We are not in need of another 5-6M goalie. Right now this team is in transition and retooling mode. If we make the playoffs great, but unlike previous years, we are trying to get futures instead of trading them to get vets for a playoff push.

If we trade Shatty(please dont hold him Army) it will be for futures/picks.

I think TBL and STL both know while we would like to have each others assets (Shatty/Johnson) a trade wont work with our teams. We cannot trade our 1 good trade piece for a rental/high priced resigning(Bishop). We would be better doing what everyone from an east coast team says about Shatty-We should just wait and sign them when they hit UFA.

I do agree that our teams do compliment each other well. Good Luck R.O.Y. and if you ever need to get rid of that kid...whats his name Drury? Drone? Dewy? let us know, we might be interested

 

[Dbrownss]

Ideally a cost controlled top 4 defenseman. Could get him for futures if we found that in a separate deal.

Yzerman has been quite public about looking for help on defense.

I don't think we have good enough defensive prospects to beat out other teams

 

[Daley Tarasenkshow]

I'm a huge Tyler Johnson fan. He performs great in the playoffs and has seemed to be more consistent. But I don't think Bishop, or any goalie, comes to STL without one going back.

 

[Alklha]

To Saint Louis
Tyler Johnson
Bishop (50% retained)

To Tampa Bay
Shattenkirk
Barbashev
Conditional 2nd (becomes a 1st if Blues advance to second round)

Bishop is a pure rental, people can dream up elaborate scenarios where it isn't the case... but none are realistic.

Are the Blues Stanley Cup contenders with Johnson & Bishop? No. Again, that's the realistic answer.

Let's call Shattenkirk's deadline value a first and a decent prospect.

1st, 2nd/1st, Barbashev & decent prospect for Tyler Johnson? Very easy pass.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

This makes very little sense for both Tampa and St Louis, Pretty sure it's a easy pass by both. Don't see Yzerman resigning Shatty and Shatty isn't going to save Tampa's abysmal season.

 

[bluemike]

Not a bad proposal on its face, but once again trading for Bishop is a fool's errand unless the Blues can get value for Allen from another team before the deadline.