Proposal: Stl/nyr

[theFiGS]

What would it take to get Shattenkirk and Schwartz out of St. Louis ? I read something from mynhltraderumors.com but decides that it's not a secret Rangers where interested in Shattenkirk during draft time.

Edit : meant to type more but I'm half asleep, buchnevich mcdonagh are probably the only untouchables atm

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[Brendonhayden]

You can't have them if you take two off the best assest off the list Schwartz is a top Line winger on a good contract and shatty according to the polls on this site is a top 25 Dman that poll had him at 21 and McDonagh at 19 I would do Schwartz and shattenkirk for Stephan and McDonagh

 

[lanceuppercut75]

Blues are VERY high on Schwartz so good luck.

Shattenkirk would IMO have to involve Kevin Klein to keep the Blues a contender. Rangers would have to add a lot to pry out Shattenkirk. More than Skjei or Halverson or Gropp.

Something like...

Shattenkirk
for
Klein + Buchnevich/1st + 2nd rounder

Not saying NYR should or will pay that but I believe STL asks for that. BOS and DET also want Shattenkirk so there's no reason for STL to settle for less.

 

[Machinehead]

As I've said many times, I have zero interest in Shattenkirk until AV is fired.

Not doing Yandle again.

 

[Dbrownss]

Not interested in moving Schwartz.

My interest from NY

McDonagh
Stepan
Buchnevich

2 of the 3 are "unavailable". Which does not fly since your asking for a player who's unavailable.

 

[bluetuned]

An extended Shattenkirk and Schwartz costs something in the realm of Stepan and McDonagh, give or take a draft pick on either side. I can't imagine that happening.

That being said, a trade like that would work really well for the Blues needs. They have depth at LW and at RD, and they need C/RW and LD. It probably makes little sense for the Rangers.

 

[Majorityof1]

What would it take to get Shattenkirk and Schwartz out of St. Louis ? I read something from mynhltraderumors.com but decides that it's not a secret Rangers where interested in Shattenkirk during draft time.

Edit : meant to type more but I'm half asleep, buchnevich mcdonagh are probably the only untouchables atm

There is no realistic package coming out of NYR that would get me to want to move Schwartz. Anything I put together is either too much (multiple top players) or too little. He is a mid 20s 60 point scorer making less than $5.5M who is good defensively and a puck hound. Maybe I am biased, but I value him considerably more than any singe Ranger. Stepan is more expensive and less productive. Zucarello is older and has peaked, while Schwartz still has upside. And McDonough doesn't fill a need for us as we need more offense.

Anything I put together working within cap contraints that I think makes the Blues better, is bad for the Rangers. There just is no good deal for Schwartz without massive overpayment.

 

[Group Chat Legend*]

McDonagh+Stepan for Shattenkirk+Schwartz

 

[Vincenzo Arelliti]

I put McDonagh and Shattenkirk at about equal, and probably put Shatty ahead of McDonagh because of handedness and offensive production. I also rank Schwartz higher than Stepan due to age, offensive production, and a tie at defense.

McDonagh+Stepan+

for

Shattenkirk and Schwartz

Even then, I don't think the Blues do this, as we now have too many centers and dmen (however, they are much better and deeper) and not enough offense (wingers/OFDs).

 

[pld459666]

While there is no guarantee we sign him I'd prefer to take the wait and see approach here and see if I can sign shattenkirk next summer.

 

[StevenDean]

I put McDonagh and Shattenkirk at about equal, and probably put Shatty ahead of McDonagh because of handedness and offensive production. I also rank Schwartz higher than Stepan due to age, offensive production, and a tie at defense.

McDonagh+Stepan+

for

Shattenkirk and Schwartz

Even then, I don't think the Blues do this, as we now have too many centers and dmen (however, they are much better and deeper) and not enough offense (wingers/OFDs).

While Shattenkirk is a better player than McDonagh his contract is ending and will be in for a huge raise. Ignoring the risk factor (which is there) you are still taking on extra salary cap next year.

As for Schultz they just re-signed him, let's ignore his trade talks.

I think I good deal for each team would be something in the range of:

Shattenkirk, Barbashev
For
McDonagh, conditional 2018 1st (transferred if Shattenkirk re-signs)

St. Louis gets a defenseman on a better contract and gets a 1st round pick for a decent prospect. If Shattenkirk doesn't re-sign they lose the pick but if St. Louis wants a similar player back (not prospects or picks) then they have to offer some sort of security.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Schwartz just signed long-term in St. Louis. He's a fantastic player, but we're not going to want to part with anything realistic to acquire him. Take him out of the trade and just focus on Shattenkirk instead.

 

[Dbrownss]

While Shattenkirk is a better player than McDonagh his contract is ending and will be in for a huge raise. Ignoring the risk factor (which is there) you are still taking on extra salary cap next year.

As for Schultz they just re-signed him, let's ignore his trade talks.

I think I good deal for each team would be something in the range of:

Shattenkirk, Barbashev
For
McDonagh, conditional 2018 1st (transferred if Shattenkirk re-signs)

St. Louis gets a defenseman on a better contract and gets a 1st round pick for a decent prospect. If Shattenkirk doesn't re-sign they lose the pick but if St. Louis wants a similar player back (not prospects or picks) then they have to offer some sort of security.

If a deal was available involving Shattenkirk and McDonagh. I'd be fine with Shattenkirk+(+) for just McDonagh

 

[Raspewtin]

Not exactly clamoring for Yandle Part 2 with Shattenkirk.

E.G. Clowneault plays him on the 3rd pair to give MUH SHUTDONW DEFUSNZMN big minutes

 

[TGWL]

While Shattenkirk is a better player than McDonagh his contract is ending and will be in for a huge raise. Ignoring the risk factor (which is there) you are still taking on extra salary cap next year.

As for Schultz they just re-signed him, let's ignore his trade talks.

I think I good deal for each team would be something in the range of:

Shattenkirk, Barbashev
For
McDonagh, conditional 2018 1st (transferred if Shattenkirk re-signs)

St. Louis gets a defenseman on a better contract and gets a 1st round pick for a decent prospect. If Shattenkirk doesn't re-sign they lose the pick but if St. Louis wants a similar player back (not prospects or picks) then they have to offer some sort of security.

Wait, you want McDonagh and a 1st, if Shattenkirk signs? No thanks.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Wait, you want McDonagh and a 1st, if Shattenkirk signs? No thanks.

You are also getting Barbashev, not saying the deal is good, but it's much closer than you are making it seem.

 

[bernmeister]

I put McDonagh and Shattenkirk at about equal, and probably put Shatty ahead of McDonagh because of handedness and offensive production. I also rank Schwartz higher than Stepan due to age, offensive production, and a tie at defense.

McDonagh+Stepan+

for

Shattenkirk and Schwartz

Even then, I don't think the Blues do this, as we now have too many centers and dmen (however, they are much better and deeper) and not enough offense (wingers/OFDs).

,
Schwartz >> Stepan
McD on great contract w/multiple yrs remaining worth way more than rental Shatty so no, but

Stepan + Zuc also great contract
for
Shattenkirk and Schwartz

fair value as is, factoring in risk
an F for an F, with that extra scoring W for the RD NY needs

IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF
Shatty extends AFTER the expansion draft (hoping as UFA he does not have to be protected) and then Rangers give him contract,

I would THEN give conditional extra compensation, probably Halverson +. I think the more of a bargain contract KS gives NYR, the more this should be and conversely, the more expensive he is, the less it should be.

 

[bleedblue1223]

,
Schwartz >> Stepan
McD on great contract w/multiple yrs remaining worth way more than rental Shatty so no, but

Stepan + Zuc also great contract
for
Shattenkirk and Schwartz

fair value as is, factoring in risk
an F for an F, with that extra scoring W for the RD NY needs

IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF
Shatty extends AFTER the expansion draft (hoping as UFA he does not have to be protected) and then Rangers give him contract,

I would THEN give conditional extra compensation, probably Halverson +. I think the more of a bargain contract KS gives NYR, the more this should be and conversely, the more expensive he is, the less it should be.

Keep Zuc and we keep Schwartz, and do something around Stepan and Shattenkirk if you really want to.

 

[Whitsmith803]

Barbashev- isn't a throw in player he's the only Prospect Center we have close to NHL

Rangers need what? RHD that plays the PP
Blues Need- RW and Center

Chris Kreider or J.T. Miller and Kevin Hayes- For Shattenkirk and Sobi
Nash is a pipe dream bc salary is too much for Blues to take on unless Blues trade Lehtera
Nash/Hayes- Shattenkirk/Lehtera
Blues don't need anymore Blueline players Blues have 5 Top prospects and plenty of depth on Defense

 

[bernmeister]

Keep Zuc and we keep Schwartz, and do something around Stepan and Shattenkirk if you really want to.

Thanks but rather take my chances of Shatty for free.

Barbashev- isn't a throw in player he's the only Prospect Center we have close to NHL

Rangers need what? RHD that plays the PP
Blues Need- RW and Center

Chris Kreider or J.T. Miller and Kevin Hayes- For Shattenkirk and Sobi
Nash is a pipe dream bc salary is too much for Blues to take on unless Blues trade Lehtera
Nash/Hayes- Shattenkirk/Lehtera
Blues don't need anymore Blueline players Blues have 5 Top prospects and plenty of depth on Defense

DOA
NY does not use this currency, it's young core
Vets the right side of 30, that is likely basis of payment

 

[bleedblue1223]

Thanks but rather take my chances of Shatty for free.

Fine, but you're the one who made that proposal, I was just commenting on it.

 

[bernmeister]

Fine, but you're the one who made that proposal, I was just commenting on it.

And I thank you for your honest input

 

[bleedblue1223]

And I thank you for your honest input

I don't really think the Rangers should trade for Shattenkirk. If he gets to free agency, then pursue him, but if I was in charge of them, I'd take the risk and see if another team trades and signs him. If that happens, oh well, but for what the trade would cost the Rangers, it really wouldn't be worth it. The Rangers won't get him for Nash and if they keep trading youth and/or 1sts/2nds, then they are not going to have a successful "next core".

 

[LetsGoBLUES91]

For both Schwartz and Shattenkirk I'd say Hayes and the Rangers 1st for the next 15 years.

Get out of here. Unless New York has the first pick in the draft next year. There are no assets there that garner a return of Schwartz and Shattenkirk.

 

[bleedblue1223]

For both Schwartz and Shattenkirk I'd say Hayes and the Rangers 1st for the next 15 years.

Get out of here. Unless New York has the first pick in the draft next year. There are no assets there that garner a return of Schwartz and Shattenkirk.

Value-wise, they can make a deal. That deal wouldn't be realistic for either side though.