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Vancouver is looking to add a top 6 player with gritt that can score. Kreider would be preferable here for LW and cheaper. What would it take to get either one to Vancouver?
Vancouver is looking to add a top 6 player with gritt that can score. Kreider would be preferable here for LW and cheaper. What would it take to get either one to Vancouver?
consider 100% Kreider is shot down, he only goes if there is MASSIVE overpayment or if as part of a package for an elite. Without him NYR = Canadiens, w/o special speed, power, etc. Unique physical beast extremely difficult to replace. Plus, even if the ? were considered, it makes more sense for NY to sign him long term max, pushing down his avg annual salary # vs cap, and maxing his value in trade down the road as opposed to RFA dumping now. FORGET IT.
Stepan on the other hand, your bid is as good as anybody else's.
NY needs to trade its vets and consolidate into less expensive picks and prospects, partly for overdue cap mgmt but more important short term is to get ahead of the expansion draft curve, less guys to have to protect.
Stepan Brass Zuc are who we are looking at, and we will not move w/out an incentive but we just need a nice profit, not something crazy. We are looking for a substantial offer, not expecting a heist. Stepan in particular earns a NMC after next season, which is defeated with a trade before, so he is on the market, just, like I said, not to be given away.
Hit me w/your best shot...
Vancouver doesn't really have anything realistic that I'm interested in.
That's the case a lot with Kreider. He's one of those players where we really have no interest in realistic returns but he's not good enough to bring back something we really want. That happens with players with unique skill sets.
Who you are looking at Bern, I personally want no part of trading those 3 unless we're doing a full blown rebuild.
As for the OP I'd want Tanev coming back in any trade otherwise there isn't really much point in us moving Stepan/Kreider for lesser pieces as the holes opened would be too large.
based on the value of top 4 dmen)Tanev being at worst a #3 and more likely a #2) his value is higher than that of Kreider or Stepan at this point.
Kreider + M. Staal @ $4.5m
for
Sbisa, Boeser/Virtanen, and a 2nd
consider 100% Kreider is shot down, he only goes if there is MASSIVE overpayment or if as part of a package for an elite. Without him NYR = Canadiens, w/o special speed, power, etc. Unique physical beast extremely difficult to replace. Plus, even if the ? were considered, it makes more sense for NY to sign him long term max, pushing down his avg annual salary # vs cap, and maxing his value in trade down the road as opposed to RFA dumping now. FORGET IT.
Stepan on the other hand, your bid is as good as anybody else's.
NY needs to trade its vets and consolidate into less expensive picks and prospects, partly for overdue cap mgmt but more important short term is to get ahead of the expansion draft curve, less guys to have to protect.
Stepan Brass Zuc are who we are looking at, and we will not move w/out an incentive but we just need a nice profit, not something crazy. We are looking for a substantial offer, not expecting a heist. Stepan in particular earns a NMC after next season, which is defeated with a trade before, so he is on the market, just, like I said, not to be given away.
Hit me w/your best shot...
Kreider + M. Staal @ $4.5m
for
Sbisa, Boeser/Virtanen, and a 2nd
Who you are looking at Bern, I personally want no part of trading those 3 unless we're doing a full blown rebuild.
As for the OP I'd want Tanev coming back in any trade otherwise there isn't really much point in us moving Stepan/Kreider for lesser pieces as the holes opened would be too large.
Agree 100% and i think most NYR do aswell. Not many NYR fans agree with Bern.
And if we are rebuilding we should move Nash, Zucc, Hank, Brass, Stepan etc. Stepan is only one year older than Kreider aswell. Bern talks about Kreider beeing young etc but Stepan is alot better, center and only a year older.
There's no one on Vancouver that would be realistically available that any of us would want to deal Kreider or Stepan for, especially Stepan.
He's not wrong..... *sigh*
Lets get down to the real business, Tanner Glass and a 6th for that future considerations guy.
He's not wrong..... *sigh*
based on the value of top 4 dmen(Tanev being at worst a #3 and more likely a #2) his value is higher than that of Kreider or Stepan at this point.
There's no one on Vancouver that would be realistically available that any of us would want to deal Kreider or Stepan for, especially Stepan.
Who cares, we have our own young version of Kreider in Virtanen. Some like me, who have not written him off at 19 years of age, think he has more upside and will be better than Kreider, who is 25 now, in his prime and has topped out at 21 goals.
Vancouver doesn't really have anything realistic that I'm interested in.
That's the case a lot with Kreider. He's one of those players where we really have no interest in realistic returns but he's not good enough to bring back something we really want. That happens with players with unique skill sets.
If we were taking on Staals contract We would not be the ones adding Prospects to this deal, esp not Boeser or Virt.