Proposal: Stars going for it all; Rangers full on rebuild - Eight player deal

[Stephen Gionta]

This is for those who believe a full on rebuild is the best plan for the NYR.

And for those who believe the Stars don't have enough on D and in goal, but should go for it all now.


To Dallas:
Henrik Lundqvist
Ryan McDonagh


To New York:
Kari Lehtonen
Antti Niemi
Valeri Nichushkin
Radek Faksa
Julius Honka
Stephen Johns
2017 1st round pick
2018 1st round pick
2017 2nd round pick
2019 3rd round pick



With the core of Benn, Seguin, Spezza, McDonagh, Klingberg, Lundqvist the Stars could be winning the Stanley cup every season.
Obviously the longterm future is thrown out the window, but its worth it when you win multiple Stanley Cups.

That core rivals the Blackhawks 2010-15 core of Toews, Kane, Hossa, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, (Niemi/Crawford)

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[hockeykicker]

Both goalies too?

 

[Vesna]

This is for those who believe a full on rebuild is the best plan for the NYR.

And for those who believe the Stars don't have enough on D and in goal, but should go for it all now.


To Dallas:
Henrik Lundqvist
Ryan McDonagh


To New York:
Kari Lehtonen
Antti Niemi
Valeri Nichushkin
Radek Faksa
Julius Honka
Stephen Johns
2017 1st round pick
2018 1st round pick
2017 2nd round pick
2019 3rd round pick

its a joke, right?

 

[Stephen Gionta]

Both goalies too?

Has to for cap reasons.

its a joke, right?

Its very very very unrealistic, but it does make a lot of sense for both.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

A bit too many picks to NY IMO.

 

[Maukkis]

Has to for cap reasons.



Its very very very unrealistic, but it does make a lot of sense for both.

Lundqvist to literally any team other than the Rangers makes no sense. I'm sorry, but that contract is a deal killer.

 

[Vesna]

Its very very very unrealistic, but it does make a lot of sense for both.

no one reason for Dallas trade half a team (best rounds, best prospects) for two players, one of them will be play 2 years, second of them worst when one honka (imho)

 

[Stephen Gionta]

Essentially, its two different trades between the same two teams. (One for Lundqvist, one for McDonagh.)

So look at is as:
Lundqvist for Niemi, Lehtonen, 1st rounder, Honka, Nichushkin, 3rd rounder

McDonagh for Faksa, Johns, 1st rounder, 2nd rounder

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Geeze Dallas is giving up WAY too much of their team

Just acquire the rumored available Bishop, who is younger and better... and try to get Alex Edler... would cost WAY less... Heck even Fleury on Dallas would be fun

Taking on 5 more years of Lundquists 8.5 mill per year would be terrible for Dallas

 

[Atren]

Geeze Dallas is giving up WAY too much of their team

Just acquire the rumored available Bishop, who is younger and better... and try to get Alex Edler... would cost WAY less

If Vancouver owner blocked Hamhuis trade I am really curious how would getting Edler be easier?

We do not know alleged Bishop price either I believe?

Other than that I do not know enough about all players to judge this trade.

 

[Stephen Gionta]

Geeze Dallas is giving up WAY too much of their team

Just acquire the rumored available Bishop, who is younger and better... and try to get Alex Edler... would cost WAY less... Heck even Fleury on Dallas would be fun

Taking on 5 more years of Lundquists 8.5 mill per year would be terrible for Dallas

I guess acquiring Bishop/Fluery would be the better route for Dallas as they fit the age group much better.

But McDonagh would be MUCH better for the Dallas D corps than Alex Edler.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

I guess acquiring Bishop/Fluery would be the better route for Dallas as they fit the age group much better.

But McDonagh would be MUCH better for the Dallas D corps than Alex Edler.

Oh I definitely agree... but not if it costs a crap load and handcuffs the teams future... Sure Dallas is real good right now and real close to a championship team, but its not like this upcoming season is their only year to compete... all their top guys are still young and they can let their young dmen develop a couple more years still

 

[serp]

Lol NO . You can't handcuff your future like that .

 

[jw2]

Both goalies too?

Niemi can also play wing.

 

[trick9]

I don't buy it that the Stars would become a dynasty after that trade. Good team, propably one of the top contenders, but you need depth and young, cost-controlled players with potential aswell.

 

[Mad Brills*]

lundqvist for lehtnonen, honka, faska, and a 1st

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

I'd still argue that a core of Stamkos, Johnson, Palat, Kucherov, Drouin, Hedman, Stralman and Bishop/Vasilevski would be better. Tampa have better defensive depth too.

 

[serp]

This reminds me of when in the NBA the Nets traded a gazillion picks and youth for Garnett and Pierce only even worse. You need cost controlled youth in the NHL to stay competetive. Can't trade away that much .

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

those last few years will be brutal having to pay Lundquist 8.5 mill per year when hes 37-39 years old

Cant see any team acquiring him

 

[Djp]

My two cents....

In theory if the rangers felt they needed to retool it makes some sene.

I'm not sure how dallas looks with cap space. If they are going all in their 1st have little value.

For McDonnaugh alone it likely costs nichkushkin and Lindell a 1st and something else.

 

[eco's bones]

A bit too many picks to NY IMO.

We give up our best two players.

 

[Leafs87]

For such a far fetch deal I can't say I hate it

 

[sparxx87]

those last few years will be brutal having to pay Lundquist 8.5 mill per year when hes 37-39 years old

Cant see any team acquiring him

I wouldn't be so quick to say that. Goalies are the one position that you can sometimes maintain a high level of play into your late 30's.

As wild and crazy as this is, if you break it down it may help both teams... The Rangers get a huge haul of youth for their rebuild... The Stars get a guy who IMO becomes their best defenseman and arguably the 2nd best goalie in the league. This could make them a top team for the next 3-5 years and maybe bring a cup.

I'm have a strong dislike for both teams, but it almost suits each teams direction. It's only crazy and unrealistic due to the volume of players involved.

 

[ForSpareParts*]

Generally one team doesn't usually provide the perfect needs of another.

If you consider PITT's success, it wasn't just Kessel from TOR that put them over the top.

 

[eco's bones]

My two cents....

In theory if the rangers felt they needed to retool it makes some sene.

I'm not sure how dallas looks with cap space. If they are going all in their 1st have little value.

For McDonnaugh alone it likely costs nichkushkin and Lindell a 1st and something else.

The draft picks are more relative when your picking later in rounds. Neither Niemi or Lehtonen are world beaters as goalies and the cap hits for the both of them combined is a lot more than what they're worth--so I look at the pair of them as negative value.

The Stars get the Rangers best defenseman--a legit top pairing guy plus an elite goalie and rid themselves of the combined caps of two average goalies in Lehtonen and Niemi. Adding either--let alone both of them isn't doing the Rangers any favors.

The good part of what the Rangers get for that is Nichushkin, Honka and Johns who should all turn into good players, Faksa--who I'm kind of meh on--and then probably a couple late 1sts and a couple late 2nds. It works out to at least two seasons in purgatory. It depends on how much you believe in Nichushkin and you're stuck pretty much with needing to unload or buy out one of those goalies right off the bat. Personally I'd want a little more.