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Micklebot said:
When did the get used to their system and new players? Because over the last 25 games of the reg season, they only had 4 more pts than us, and we were missing Chychrun and Chabot for a significant portion of that, not to mention Norris, Talbot and Forsberg. Meanwhile Florida closed out the season in pretty good health, I think Bennett missed some time otherwise it's the same team we're seeing in the playoffs.

I mean, I agree this year they are/were a better team than us, they've been playing well in the playoffs, imo significantly better than in the reg season.

Take out Reinhardt, Forsling and Ekblad (to represent Chabot Chychrun and Norris) to injuries similar to us in those final 25, I'm not sure they make the playoffs or outpace is in those final 25 games
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Well they did and they are one win away from the ECF. If and buts dont mean anything. Results do. They are getting them and the eye test is backing it up. They went 6-1 down the stretch to get in and have showed up when it matters most. They are full marks for where they are this isnt luck this isnt riding a hot goalie. They are a very deep and talented team that competes very hard and is physical while being relentless on pucks. Thats how you build a team that is made to win. They learned a lesson last year after beating washington and getting crushed by tampa its part of it.
 
Gil Gunderson said:
I definitely wanted Brown, with McAvoy and Chychrun as distant seconds. The idea of a centre with that size and vision was too good to pass up.
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Brown had really good potential. Like legit #1 center upside.

Couldn't get out of his own way unfortunately, and the constant stream of injuries definitely played a role in him busting.

Don't consider him a bad pick at 12th OVR, even though he didn't work out.
 
bert said:
Well they did and they are one win away from the ECF. If and buts dont mean anything. Results do. They are getting them and the eye test is backing it up. They went 6-1 down the stretch to get in and have showed up when it matters most. They are full marks for where they are this isnt luck this isnt riding a hot goalie. They are a very deep and talented team that competes very hard and is physical while being relentless on pucks. Thats how you build a team that is made to win. They learned a lesson last year after beating washington and getting crushed by tampa its part of it.
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Don't think anyone is denying that Florida isn't a good team, or saying that they're undeserving of being where they are.

With that said, there is a ton of parity in this league right now. I think there are five teams, that missed the playoffs, who would have been a hard out had they gotten in with a (relatively) healthy lineup: Calgary, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Ottawa and Nashville.

That means there are 21 teams in this league who, if you told me they were in the 2nd round, I'd say... I could see that.
 
bert said:
Well they did and they are one win away from the ECF. If and buts dont mean anything. Results do. They are getting them and the eye test is backing it up. They went 6-1 down the stretch to get in and have showed up when it matters most. They are full marks for where they are this isnt luck this isnt riding a hot goalie. They are a very deep and talented team that competes very hard and is physical while being relentless on pucks. Thats how you build a team that is made to win. They learned a lesson last year after beating washington and getting crushed by tampa its part of it.
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So it took them 75 games to get used to their system and new personnel? Damn, maybe we'd have gotten used to our system and personnel if we only had an extra 7 games...

Idk, seems like a team on a heater at the right time and has stayed healthy. Full marks for getting hot when it counts, but how repeatable is it?

That's the thing that people don't seem to want to admit, the parity in this league is a huge factor, getting hot or staying healthy can be the difference between out in the first round or 1 game from the ECF final, we went through it in 2017, we certainly weren't a top 4 team in the league but we were 1 OT goal away from the SCF.

Florida is not a crap team because they only had 92 pts in the reg season, but they also aren't some juggernaut because they got past Bos and are beating Toronto. They are playing well, and when they don't Bob has bailed them out, watched every Florida game these playoffs, they've been good, but they've also been overwhelmed themselves at times. Could easily be golfing right now, but for a few bounces going the other way.
 
Micklebot said:
So it took them 75 games to get used to their system and new personnel? Damn, maybe we'd have gotten used to our system and personnel if we only had an extra 7 games...

Idk, seems like a team on a heater at the right time and has stayed healthy. Full marks for getting hot when it counts, but how repeatable is it?

That's the thing that people don't seem to want to admit, the parity in this league is a huge factor, getting hot or staying healthy can be the difference between out in the first round or 1 game from the ECF final, we went through it in 2017, we certainly weren't a top 4 team in the league but we were 1 OT goal away from the SCF.

Florida is not a crap team because they only had 92 pts in the reg season, but they also aren't some juggernaut because they got past Bos and are beating Toronto. They are playing well, and when they don't Bob has bailed them out, watched every Florida game these playoffs, they've been good, but they've also been overwhelmed themselves at times. Could easily be golfing right now, but for a few bounces going the other way.
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The 2nd round in the East, if a couple bounces went the other way, could have easily been Tampa vs Boston and NYR vs Carolina. The margins were razor thin.
 
DaveMatthew said:
The 2nd round in the East, if a couple bounces went the other way, could have easily been Tampa vs Boston and NYR vs Carolina. The margins were razor thin.
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Credit to Florida, Boston was clearly the favourite to go all the way, taking them to the brink even if they weren't 100% healthy is something. Toronto on the other hand probably doesn't make it past Tampa without knocking out Ceirnak and Hedman having back issues. And that's with TBay being crap down the stretch.
 
Micklebot said:
I think Stützle is in the ball park, he's no Crosby but may be in the Kopitar, Kane, Toews range.

Sanderson I am really high on. I think he's going to be our Doughty/Keith.

After that, Giroux, Norris, Chychrun, Batherson, DeBrincat(if signed) all stack up pretty well to the depth on the kings and Chicago imo. Maybe not quite there, but close enough to make some noise.

I mean, you're comparing us to three teams (I know you didn't choose them) that were arguably dynasties with multiple cups each, that's a high bar to clear and frankly not a reasonable expectation regardless of how we proceed.
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All good points.

I agree Stutzle could reach some of those legends.

I guess my point is in time we could reach a Stanley Cup or two. We are going in the right direction, but having not yet made the playoffs it would be hard to estimate how far we will go in the next season.

I also agree Sanderson is just that guy. He will be even better and in time the defense will mature and solidify. It was only his first year and with the Chychrun addition I feel good about this defense.

I also think we have good forward depth and good players like Grieg and Pinto on friendly ELCs.

All of these different qualities don't always add up to a cup. But I will give you that we have some nice veterans (I'm talking about Giroux) and gritty skilled youngsters that it could just one day click and next season we win the president's trophy. Lots of reasons for optimism.
 
Agent Zub said:
Only Crosby and Malkin are untouchable for Stutzle and Sanderson. Both are right there or will be with the others. And yes, all those teams had other great players aside from them, including veteran Hall of Famers.

But when you propose Chabot for Karlsson here, aka a good player for a veteran Hall of Famer, and from a position of plenty to a position of need, 65 percent of people think it's a terrible idea because the team is not ready to compete now or something. Even though that trade would undoubtedly solve a lot of our issues and make us competitive NOW!

But no, let's wait three more years to be competitive, when this one of the most skilled and expensive senators teams we've ever had now.
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I think the age difference and Karlsson's injury history are the reasons not to make that trade. Chabot can still play another 10 years.

I agree that Sutzle and Sanderson are super skilled.
 
How come I barely see any of you guys participate on the main boards playoff forum?

I swear I used to see way more Sens fans on main boards
 
bert said:
Well they did and they are one win away from the ECF. If and buts dont mean anything. Results do. They are getting them and the eye test is backing it up. They went 6-1 down the stretch to get in and have showed up when it matters most. They are full marks for where they are this isnt luck this isnt riding a hot goalie. They are a very deep and talented team that competes very hard and is physical while being relentless on pucks. Thats how you build a team that is made to win. They learned a lesson last year after beating washington and getting crushed by tampa its part of it.
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They also changed up their core in the off-season to replace guys who were looking to get paid but leaving their prime for a gritty star in his prime.

And let's not forget Keith Tkachuk calling them out for being soft towards the end of the season. Really motivated them to prove him wrong.

Assen na yo!
 
Norris4Norris said:
I think the age difference and Karlsson's injury history are the reasons not to make that trade. Chabot can still play another 10 years.

I agree that Sutzle and Sanderson are super skilled.
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Chabot is perhaps more injury prone and still trying to figure out how to be a top pair defenseman at 27.

Karlsson is 33 and just put up a Hart level performance and has proven he can play big minutes and succeed in the playoffs.

Chabot is a way bigger and riskier question mark for the next 3-4 years. Years we could be competing not for a playoff spot but for a cup.

Would you say no to Chara at 33, Crosby at 33, Alfredsson at 33,Lidstrom at 33, Sakic or Yzerman at 33 for the likes of Chabot when you're trying to win? Karlsson is on their level.

And we agree that we need a nice mix of quality veterans on offense and defense like the Hawks, Kings and Pens.


Giroux and Karlsson, two hyper competitive and veteran legends on offense and defense leading Brady, Stutzle, Sanderson, Batherson, Norris, Chychrun, Zub, Greig, Kleven etc

That's way closer to the Pens, Hawks and kings blueprint than hoping Chabot finally figures out how to play more than 23 effective minutes or finally having an elite season at the age of 27.

Not to mention fixing the obvious flaw of having like 5 LHD and 1 RD.

We have our Kane, Toews, Kopitar, Doughty, Keith Sharp, Brown, Hossa etc We could and should be competing for a cup now.

But people seem content to just "develop" and hope for a playoff spot for the next three years.
 
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Coffee said:
How come I barely see any of you guys participate on the main boards playoff forum?

I swear I used to see way more Sens fans on main boards
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Our team has some nice pieces but we sucked ass for 5 seasons and this season there was some hope particularly with Stutzle and an aging Giroux but we fell well short. Giroux, DeBrincat, trade for Chychrun, Sanderson debuts and is solid. There was a hope we could sneak into the playoffs and we failed and that's disappointing. I don't want to go to the main boards too much and shit talk other teams and players who are clearly better.

Anyways 2-0 Florida. Looks like Toronto isn't getting the bounces tonight and will likely be sent packing. Nylander was the positive standout for them IMO. I'd ship Marner out personally. He needs time and space. Compare that with many other playmakers like say Hughes who make the passes even when their space is tight.
 
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Knave said:
Anyways 2-0 Florida. Looks like Toronto isn't getting the bounces tonight and will likely be sent packing. Nylander was the positive standout for them IMO. I'd ship Marner out personally. He needs time and space. Compare that with many other playmakers like say Hughes who make the passes even when their space is tight.
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I think you’re giving them too much credit. You have to make your own bounces in the playoffs. All their play in the offensive zone is on the perimeter. Their season is on the line and you’d think we’d see more desperation.
 
HoweHullOrr said:
Florida finished with 92 points, Ottawa with 86. 92 - 86 = 6 points

Not interested in the debate, but a look at the final standings is appropriate you'd think?
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The 4 pts came from something I had posted, specifically that in the last 25 games, the difference between us and Florida was 4 pts, and that's in spite of us missing games from Chabot, Chychrun, Norris and both goalies while Florida was fairly healthy.

Most (actually all) of that 4 pts came in the last 8 games when we'd shut down Chabot Chychrun, I think Hamonic, and obviously Norris.
 
Micklebot said:
Credit to Florida, Boston was clearly the favourite to go all the way, taking them to the brink even if they weren't 100% healthy is something. Toronto on the other hand probably doesn't make it past Tampa without knocking out Ceirnak and Hedman having back issues. And that's with TBay being crap down the stretch.
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Depends on who you asked. Boston was amazing if you didn't look behind the velvet curtain.
 
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