GDT: Stanley Cup playoffs

[Big Muddy]

A couple points better. They’re in the same tier as us.

No clearly wins aren’t awarded for shots. But if you’re using that game to say “look how sick the Florida panthers are”. Eh…. That game kinda just showed that they stink.

I wasn't using that one game. YOU used "one game" so I replied back with another "one game" sample. The entire premise was flawed and the real point is you have to look at a bigger sample i.e., an entire season.

And Florida was 6 points higher in the standings (92 versus 86).

 

[camZ]

Uhh how good is Rooooooooope Hintz, super under rated as JRob gets most of the hype on that team but what a player he is

 

[bert]

I watched us pump them live on home ice lol

Did you watch them a single minute after that? When they pounded the sens 7-2 down the stretch? Or outplayed Boston and beat them?.... seems like you haven't?

That lopsided game where Sens set a franchise record in shots on goals with 58? Good game.

Are people actually trying to argue Ottawa is better or even close to Florida? The previous season they had 52 more points. This year they are on the verge of going to the ECF and beat the best regular season team in history. The sens didn't even hold a playoff spot after October.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

 

[Micklebot]

Are people actually trying to argue Ottawa is better or even close to Florida? The previous season they had 52 more points. This year they are on the verge of going to the ECF and beat the best regular season team in history. The sens didn't even hold a playoff spot after October.

Florida had a really inconsistent season, their highs are really good, their lows were not great.

They are certainly more mature in their game than us, and were much more healthy than us,

Good goaltending hides a lot of faults, and allows the players to play with confidence. I hope we can get some steady goaltending next year, that will make a world of difference.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

A couple points better. They’re in the same tier as us.

No clearly wins aren’t awarded for shots. But if you’re using that game to say “look how sick the Florida panthers are”. Eh…. That game kinda just showed that they stink.

Also shows how close teams are in the league these days.

You definitely didn't see this level of parity in the 1980s.

We may not be a Florida right now, but anyone can beat anyone on any given day.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Florida had a really inconsistent season, their highs are really good, their lows were not great.

They are certainly more mature in their game than us, and were much more healthy than us,

Good goaltending hides a lot of faults, and allows the players to play with confidence. I hope we can get some steady goaltending next year, that will make a world of difference.

Didn't they use Alex Lyon versus their 2 regular starter goalies down the stretch and early in the playoffs? Getting a good performance from Lyon seems to have been really important during that vital time. That seems to indicate that a team needs depth to pick up the slack and play well at times to be successful.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I wasn't using that one game. YOU used "one game" so I replied back with another "one game" sample. The entire premise was flawed and the real point is you have to look at a bigger sample i.e., an entire season.

And Florida was 6 points higher in the standings (92 versus 86).

I have a whole season! They squeezed into the playoffs over us.

 

[starling]

Nah we would've walked over Florida in the playoffs. They are a soft team. I trust Keith Tkachuk on this one.

 

[bert]

Florida had a really inconsistent season, their highs are really good, their lows were not great.

They are certainly more mature in their game than us, and were much more healthy than us,

Good goaltending hides a lot of faults, and allows the players to play with confidence. I hope we can get some steady goaltending next year, that will make a world of difference.

Once they got used to their systems and new players they were very very good. Its not close. They are way faster and deeper as a group.

 

[Union2017]

Speaking of good structure and good coaching - I think Florida is a perfect example of that. DJ should take notes.

 

[Micklebot]

Once they got used to their systems and new players they were very very good. Its not close. They are way faster and deeper as a group.

When did the get used to their system and new players? Because over the last 25 games of the reg season, they only had 4 more pts than us, and we were missing Chychrun and Chabot for a significant portion of that, not to mention Norris, Talbot and Forsberg. Meanwhile Florida closed out the season in pretty good health, I think Bennett missed some time otherwise it's the same team we're seeing in the playoffs.

I mean, I agree this year they are/were a better team than us, they've been playing well in the playoffs, imo significantly better than in the reg season.

Take out Reinhardt, Forsling and Ekblad (to represent Chabot Chychrun and Norris) to injuries similar to us in those final 25, I'm not sure they make the playoffs or outpace is in those final 25 games

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Can we look to the regular season for how you'll do in the playoffs? Would the characteristics of a team's personnel or style of play influence doing better in the tighter , less time and space , more physical playoffs over the regular season? Does team depth and the ability to raise your level of play influence success in the playoffs? Can we take a team that needed 7 more points and to pass 3 teams to get into the playoffs and project their playoff success over other teams based on their overall regular season success ..and point totals only? How important is it to have two reliable goal tenders even if they are not stellar?

Anyone can say this team would have been better than that team but its meaningless. You have to prove it.

Tampa outplayed the Leafs in enough games to win but lost. Sens would have destroyed either one. Why? cuz my emo told me so.

 

[DaveMatthew]

When did the get used to their system and new players? Because over the last 25 games of the reg season, they only had 4 more pts than us, and we were missing Chychrun and Chabot for a significant portion of that, not to mention Norris, Talbot and Forsberg. Meanwhile Florida closed out the season in pretty good health, I think Bennett missed some time otherwise it's the same team we're seeing in the playoffs.

I mean, I agree this year they are/were a better team than us, they've been playing well in the playoffs, imo significantly better than in the reg season.

Take out Reinhardt, Forsling and Ekblad (to represent Chabot Chychrun and Norris) to injuries similar to us in those final 25, I'm not sure they make the playoffs or outpace is in those final 25 games

There's so much parity in the league right now. I don't think we're far from Florida at all.

That's why we should stop with this "slow and steady rebuild" thinking. "We won't be ready to make a run until 25/26, so let's be patient."

If you get in, even if you sneak in, you have a chance. That's proven year in and year out. We need to just get in, and keep getting in.

 

[DueDiligence]

Did you watch them a single minute after that? When they pounded the sens 7-2 down the stretch? Or outplayed Boston and beat them?.... seems like you haven't?


Are people actually trying to argue Ottawa is better or even close to Florida? The previous season they had 52 more points. This year they are on the verge of going to the ECF and beat the best regular season team in history. The sens didn't even hold a playoff spot after October.

The main reason the Panthers beat Boston was that Bergeron, Krejci and Ullmark were all injured to various degrees. Florida's a good team that was better than their season record but they also got lucky.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

There's so much parity in the league right now. I don't think we're far from Florida at all.

That's why we should stop with this "slow and steady rebuild" thinking. "We won't be ready to make a run until 25/26, so let's be patient."

If you get in, even if you sneak in, you have a chance. That's proven year in and year out. We need to just get in, and keep getting in.

its so crazy people want to wait until our players are 26-27 to have expectations of them.

kane and toews won their first cups when they were 20 and 21, their last when they were 25. kopitar and doughty won their first at 24 and 21. crosby and malkin 21 and 22.

 

[Norris4Norris]

its so crazy people want to wait until our players are 26-27 to have expectations of them.

kane and toews won their first cups when they were 20 and 21, their last when they were 25. kopitar and doughty won their first at 24 and 21. crosby and malkin 21 and 22.

Kane, Toews, Crosby, Kopitar, Doughty and Malkin are all better than any of our players will ever be (maybe outside chance of Stutzle).

Kane and Toews were about 20 years old when they played in the 2010 Olympics where they shined (Crosby was 22 Malkin 23 and Doughty was 20). Great Experience.

The players you named also had amazing supporting casts and great veterans on defence and offence:

Chicago: Patrick Sharp, Marian Hossa, Dustin Byfuglien, Duncan Keith, Brent Seabrook, Hjalmarsson.

Pittsburgh: Gonchar, Kunitz, Letang, Jordan Stall, Fleury, Kessel etc. (Crosby and Malkin are generational talents of which Ottawa has none).

LA Kings: Dustin Brown, Jeff Carter, Simon Gagne, Mike Richards and Conn Smythe winner (Mr. Game 7) Justin Williams.

I think we should let the strong core of young stars develop and if we win the Cup then I won't care much how old everyone ends up being.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Kane, Toews, Crosby Kopitar, Doughty and Malkin are all better than any of our players will ever be (maybe outside chance of Stutzle).

Kane and Toews were about 20 years old when they played in the 2010 Olympics here they shined (Crosby was 22 Malkin 23 and Doughty was 20). Great Experience.

The players you named also had amazing supporting casts and great veterans on defence and offence:

Chicago: Patrick Sharp, Marian Hossa, Dustin Byfuglien, Duncan Keith, Brent Seabrook, Hjalmarsson.

Pittsburgh: Gonchar, Kunitz, Letang, Jordan Stall, Fleury, Kessel etc. (Crosby and Malkin are generational talents of which Ottawa has none).

LA Kings: Dustin Brown, Jeff Carter, Simon Gagne, Mike Richards and Conn Smythe winner (Mr. Game 7) Justin Williams.

I think we should let the strong core of young stars develop and if we win the Cup then I won't care much how old everyone ends up being.

Only Crosby and Malkin are untouchable for Stutzle and Sanderson. Both are right there or will be with the others. And yes, all those teams had other great players aside from them, including veteran Hall of Famers.

But when you propose Chabot for Karlsson here, aka a good player for a veteran Hall of Famer, and from a position of plenty to a position of need, 65 percent of people think it's a terrible idea because the team is not ready to compete now or something. Even though that trade would undoubtedly solve a lot of our issues and make us competitive NOW!

But no, let's wait three more years to be competitive, when this one of the most skilled and expensive senators teams we've ever had now.

 

[Micklebot]

There's so much parity in the league right now. I don't think we're far from Florida at all.

That's why we should stop with this "slow and steady rebuild" thinking. "We won't be ready to make a run until 25/26, so let's be patient."

If you get in, even if you sneak in, you have a chance. That's proven year in and year out. We need to just get in, and keep getting in.

Yeah, I'm with you on that, people underestimate the degree of parity league wide and how big of a factor matchups and health are come playoffs.

 

[bicboi64]

Anyone not take Michael Mcleod over Logan Brown now?

I wanted Jost lol, McLeod is definitely breaking out more and more. Stupid Devils with their forward depth.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

When did the get used to their system and new players? Because over the last 25 games of the reg season, they only had 4 more pts than us, and we were missing Chychrun and Chabot for a significant portion of that, not to mention Norris, Talbot and Forsberg. Meanwhile Florida closed out the season in pretty good health, I think Bennett missed some time otherwise it's the same team we're seeing in the playoffs.

I mean, I agree this year they are/were a better team than us, they've been playing well in the playoffs, imo significantly better than in the reg season.

Take out Reinhardt, Forsling and Ekblad (to represent Chabot Chychrun and Norris) to injuries similar to us in those final 25, I'm not sure they make the playoffs or outpace is in those final 25 games

Yeah suddenly finishing 4 points more than us is a key indicator of excellence

The main reason the Panthers beat Boston was that Bergeron, Krejci and Ullmark were all injured to various degrees. Florida's a good team that was better than their season record but they also got lucky.

Not to mention swayman came in and somehow played worse than ullmark

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I wanted Jost lol, McLeod is definitely breaking out more and more. Stupid Devils with their forward depth.

I wanted Keller or Sergachev.

McAvoy was the big miss imo

 

[Gil Gunderson]

I definitely wanted Brown, with McAvoy and Chychrun as distant seconds. The idea of a centre with that size and vision was too good to pass up.

 

[bert]

The main reason the Panthers beat Boston was that Bergeron, Krejci and Ullmark were all injured to various degrees. Florida's a good team that was better than their season record but they also got lucky.

Every team has injuries. They beat them because they were first on every puck. Made Lindholm and McAvoy look terrible. They were turning pucks over all over the place. You can tell who has been watching the games and who hasnt in this thread. Its just wild to me that no one is giving them any credit around here.

 

[Micklebot]

Kane, Toews, Crosby, Kopitar, Doughty and Malkin are all better than any of our players will ever be (maybe outside chance of Stutzle).

Kane and Toews were about 20 years old when they played in the 2010 Olympics where they shined (Crosby was 22 Malkin 23 and Doughty was 20). Great Experience.

The players you named also had amazing supporting casts and great veterans on defence and offence:

Chicago: Patrick Sharp, Marian Hossa, Dustin Byfuglien, Duncan Keith, Brent Seabrook, Hjalmarsson.

Pittsburgh: Gonchar, Kunitz, Letang, Jordan Stall, Fleury, Kessel etc. (Crosby and Malkin are generational talents of which Ottawa has none).

LA Kings: Dustin Brown, Jeff Carter, Simon Gagne, Mike Richards and Conn Smythe winner (Mr. Game 7) Justin Williams.

I think we should let the strong core of young stars develop and if we win the Cup then I won't care much how old everyone ends up being.

I think Stützle is in the ball park, he's no Crosby but may be in the Kopitar, Kane, Toews range.

Sanderson I am really high on. I think he's going to be our Doughty/Keith.

After that, Giroux, Norris, Chychrun, Batherson, DeBrincat(if signed) all stack up pretty well to the depth on the kings and Chicago imo. Maybe not quite there, but close enough to make some noise.

I mean, you're comparing us to three teams (I know you didn't choose them) that were arguably dynasties with multiple cups each, that's a high bar to clear and frankly not a reasonable expectation regardless of how we proceed.