GDT: Stanley Cup playoffs

[Adrianopolous]

Could be the end for Landeskog

 

[JD1]

The argument that Keefe and/or Dubas are better than Dorion and/or DJ doesnt' mean they're elite. It means there is a low bar of being good at their jobs that they are passing.

But that's just it. Are they passing? I'd say there's a far better argument that they're failing. Miserably. Unlimited off ice budget for hockey ops. Cap spending. Robidas Island employed for bad contracts. Probably the best 1OA in the past 10 years apart from McDavid. There's literally no team in the league with more going for them. And yet here we are. One playoff series win.

Meanwhile here, Smith just said this in an interview with Mendes

“Part of our job is to do it right. And not to be pressured to hurry the process, because then you can go backwards. Pierre has done this right. He’s been patient,” says Smith. “If you ask around the league, most general managers will tell you, the Ottawa Senators are a good up-and-coming team that is set up right and have the opportunity to win for a long time.”

 

[Senscore]

But that's just it. Are they passing? I'd say there's a far better argument that they're failing. Miserably. Unlimited off ice budget for hockey ops. Cap spending. Robidas Island employed for bad contracts. Probably the best 1OA in the past 10 years apart from McDavid. There's literally no team in the league with more going for them. And yet here we are. One playoff series win.

I'm genuinely interested in what sort of pushback Dubas would have gotten if he had tried to move Nylander, Marner, or Matthews before this point. Because I can't imagine ownership would be ok with him doing something like that without getting several layers of approval first

 

[Sun God Nika]

Could be the end for Landeskog

absolutely the end

 

[Hale The Villain]

I'm genuinely interested in what sort of pushback Dubas would have gotten if he had tried to move Nylander, Marner, or Matthews before this point. Because I can't imagine ownership would be ok with him doing something like that without getting several layers of approval first

Not to mention it's hard to see a situation where that would improved the team.

Can't blame Dubas for Matthews, Marner and Nylander failing to show up in round 2.

However you can blame him for Tavares since he's the one who signed him, and he's responsible for acquiring Samsonov, who's poor play has been perhaps the biggest reason for the 0-3 start to the series.

Some people around here are awful at evaluating the work of GMs. Most of the time they aren't analyzing individual moves made, but rather just looking at how the team as a whole does. It's just lazy.

 

[Cosmix]

Lot of ppl giving Keith Tkachuk credit for lighting a fire under the panthers but not enough talking about Paul Maurice literally blowing a gasket on the bench during that Toronto game during a goal review to lay into his team (who were trailing at the time). Can essentially point to that moment as the inflection point for the panthers and here they are up 3-0 in the 2nd round…

So we should hire Keenan as coach?

 

[Cosmix]

Not to mention it's hard to see a situation where that would improved the team.

Can't blame Dubas for Matthews, Marner and Nylander failing to show up in round 2.

However you can blame him for Tavares since he's the one who signed him, and he's responsible for acquiring Samsonov, who's poor play has been perhaps the biggest reason for the 0-3 start to the series.

Some people around here are awful at evaluating the work of GMs. Most of the time they aren't analyzing individual moves made, but rather just looking at how the team as a whole does. It's just lazy.

You failed to mention Dubas' acquisition of Murray, the fragile goaltender, wasting valuable salary cap dollars!

 

[L'Aveuglette]

Tkachuk has been quiet the past 2 games. I’m hoping for a big night from him tomorrow.

Seems to me like he's been dealing with some sort of injury but having just the one game over a week will likely do wonders for him.

 

[GCK]

Not to mention it's hard to see a situation where that would improved the team.

Can't blame Dubas for Matthews, Marner and Nylander failing to show up in round 2.

However you can blame him for Tavares since he's the one who signed him, and he's responsible for acquiring Samsonov, who's poor play has been perhaps the biggest reason for the 0-3 start to the series.

Some people around here are awful at evaluating the work of GMs. Most of the time they aren't analyzing individual moves made, but rather just looking at how the team as a whole does. It's just lazy.

Samsonov is definitely not the problem. He has given up 1 bad goal. The leafs aren’t built to win 2-1.

 

[JD1]

I'm genuinely interested in what sort of pushback Dubas would have gotten if he had tried to move Nylander, Marner, or Matthews before this point. Because I can't imagine ownership would be ok with him doing something like that without getting several layers of approval first

Yep, that's certainly a question and I'd agree he might have got pushback. But translate that to here. If that happens here, guys are screaming that ownership meddles in hockey ops.

Same thing with a comment I read earlier today, it's not Keefe's fault that his core doesn't show up for the playoffs. Ok. But is it DJ's fault that both our goalies got hurt and we used 7 starters this year? No. But when that's been advanced as an explanation on why we didn't make the playoffs, some here responded with that's just an excuse.

Not directing either comment as something you've said, just pointing out the contradiction.

Imo, given the resources Toronto has, and lucking out getting the 1OA and it being Matthews, their achievements have been woefully inadequate

 

[bicboi64]

But that's just it. Are they passing? I'd say there's a far better argument that they're failing. Miserably. Unlimited off ice budget for hockey ops. Cap spending. Robidas Island employed for bad contracts. Probably the best 1OA in the past 10 years apart from McDavid. There's literally no team in the league with more going for them. And yet here we are. One playoff series win.

Meanwhile here, Smith just said this in an interview with Mendes

“Part of our job is to do it right. And not to be pressured to hurry the process, because then you can go backwards. Pierre has done this right. He’s been patient,” says Smith. “If you ask around the league, most general managers will tell you, the Ottawa Senators are a good up-and-coming team that is set up right and have the opportunity to win for a long time.”

Keefe has coached the team to be well rounded. They can score with the best of them, 4th best defensive team in their conference despite not having an elite defenders, and Keefe has gotten a 60g scorer to commit to being a very good two way centre.

Dubas, although has made egregious signings, since those awful FA and RFA deals, has done a good job getting depth for playoff runs. Their depth has showed up, but their stars haven't.

Management has been able to get their team to the dance, but at that point its up to the stars to perform. Leafs appear to be a classic example of management that does all that one can expect to do, but the players just aren't cut from the right cloth to make that jump

 

[JD1]

Not to mention it's hard to see a situation where that would improved the team.

Can't blame Dubas for Matthews, Marner and Nylander failing to show up in round 2.

However you can blame him for Tavares since he's the one who signed him, and he's responsible for acquiring Samsonov, who's poor play has been perhaps the biggest reason for the 0-3 start to the series.

Some people around here are awful at evaluating the work of GMs. Most of the time they aren't analyzing individual moves made, but rather just looking at how the team as a whole does. It's just lazy.

You can blame Dubas for the contracts he gave M&M...and you should.

 

[bicboi64]

You can blame Dubas for the contracts he gave M&M...and you should.

Even with the horrid contracts, he's acquired ample depth multiple years in a row though.

 

[Hale The Villain]

You can blame Dubas for the contracts he gave M&M...and you should.

Sure, but what do their contracts have to do with them disappearing in the second round?

Dubas should have been fired the moment he brought those contracts to Leafs ownership for approval, but it's a non-sequitur.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

I feel like Keefe should be the first guy to go. I know coaches and only do so much but you need one that can motivate Toronto stars to actually play like stars in the playoffs.

 

[JD1]

Even with the horrid contracts, he's acquired ample depth multiple years in a row though.

Apparently not

 

[bicboi64]

Apparently not

I mean their depth has actually been scoring (Gustafsson, Lafferty, Kerfoot, O'Rielly, Bunting, Knies). The core hasn't been doing anything and aside from Tavares, they were inherited.

 

[Micklebot]

I'm genuinely interested in what sort of pushback Dubas would have gotten if he had tried to move Nylander, Marner, or Matthews before this point. Because I can't imagine ownership would be ok with him doing something like that without getting several layers of approval first

Well, if he wants to move one he needs to act quick because all three have NMC that kick in Jul 1st.

 

[Senscore]

Well, if he wants to move one he needs to act quick because all three have NMC that kick in Jul 1st.

Getting fired might actually be the best thing for his career.

Let someone else deal with that time bomb.

 

[Loach]

Well, if he wants to move one he needs to act quick because all three have NMC that kick in Jul 1st.

Nylander would be the last one I would trade. Kid sat out to get the contract he wanted, that takes stones. He also does his job usually.

 

[Senovision]

The Leafs top 4 the 40 million dollar club should be self starters and not need a coach to motivate them. If you are an athlete at that level the motivation should come from inside yourself...that is truly what separates loser athletes from winner athletes. Marner and his crew are losers and have proven this year after year...and coach after coach.

 

[Senscore]

I think the Canes take a stranglehold tonight.


They're not the Rangers.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Freddy , Freddy, Freddy

Should be a good game

1-0 Devils Meier gets another / Off Hughes

 

[Very Stable Genius]

Well, that escalated quickly...

 

[Cosmix]

The Leafs top 4 the 40 million dollar club should be self starters and not need a coach to motivate them. If you are an athlete at that level the motivation should come from inside yourself...that is truly what separates loser athletes from winner athletes. Marner and his crew are losers and have proven this year after year...and coach after coach.

They are proving that theory to be correct.