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If you were a leaf fan you’d be a total jackass so who gives a shit.
GDT: Stanley Cup playoffs
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SpezDispenser
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That is crazy. If anyone wants to know why they're down 3 nil, there it is
Here I Pageau Again
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Then you just think of all that $$$ those players are making. Yikes!
I won't say much about Leafs because it's not over until it's over. But your core needs to be contributing consistently, and they don't.
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Seattle - every time I write them off, which I will admit has been often, they bounce back yet again. When Dallas dominated game two I thought, oh well, clock has finally struck midnight for Cinderella, they had a great run but this is it now, blah blah blah. Nope. I did the same thing with Vegas five years ago, so you'd think I would learn...
Can't wait for all the back-pedalling on this forum when top 10 GM Dubas and top 10 HC Keefe are giving their end of season post conference on the back of a second round sweep.
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I feel like it's a pretty small minority that believe Keefe and Dubas are top 10 in their roles, Dubas in particular.
Now that they're crashing and burning in the playoffs again, sure. Couple months ago? Effusive praise for the work they've done with lots of posters talking about how they'd be top candidates for the respective jobs here if they get canned in Toronto.
The argument that Keefe and/or Dubas are better than Dorion and/or DJ doesnt' mean they're elite. It means there is a low bar of being good at their jobs that they are passing.
I'm well aware that most people here think Dorion and DJ are bottom 5 leaguewide in their respective roles. There's nothing about the last 5 years that would make me think otherwise. But there sure was a lot of praise for Keefe and Dubas and lots of people chimed in that they'd both be top candidates for the same job openings here if ownership cleans house. I guess we can't exactly quantify a ranking if we never did a poll here but when people say they're great at their jobs and there's only 32 of each, it sure sounds like great makes you top 10.
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DaveMatthew
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I'm taking all the joy of seeing the Leafs lose in the playoffs again, but at the end of the day, they are still one of the last 8 teams remaining.
Is Dubas a boy genius? Obviously not. But it's not like he's a joke, either. Teams will line up to bring him into their org. Pittsburgh, specifically, will still throw a huge offer his way.
Keefe... I'm not so sure about.
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I thinking you're attributing a vocal minorities opinion to a much broader group.
I'd suggest there's a bigger group around herethat automatically argues anything the Leafs do is wrong than there ever was that argued Dubas was a top 10 GM
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Add to that 95% of their fanbase can’t get tickets or even afford a ticket to the ACC and the team doesn’t even care it becomes the crappiest pro franchise to cheer for in all of hockey - Leafs fans give their all and a standing room ticket is $150
It's funny because the roleplayers Dubas has brought in have been decent. Personally I wouldn't want Dubas. I would want to see who is available but the problem with the Leafs is their core and it's a tough ask for any GM to look at his team and go "you know what? The big name players everyone loves, lets trade some of them".
The only team I can think of that has been competitive and traded their superstar would be what? The Bruins and Thornton?
How are you supposed to predict Marner would become a turnover machine as soon as he plays against a team with the combo of physicality + speed? How are you supposed to predict a guy who can score 60+ goals will completely disappear in the second round?
The only team I can think of that has been competitive and traded their superstar would be what? The Bruins and Thornton?
How are you supposed to predict Marner would become a turnover machine as soon as he plays against a team with the combo of physicality + speed? How are you supposed to predict a guy who can score 60+ goals will completely disappear in the second round?
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DaveMatthew
Bring in Peter
This. This series should put to rest the idea that Toronto's stars need a better supporting cast. Their supporting cast is fine. It's on them.
I wouldn't blame Dubas for their performance. He didn't draft them, and he would never have been given the green light to trade them.
I would blame him for hiring and sticking with, his buddy Keefe, who's shown to have absolutely zero backbone.
As it turns out, Babcock was right about this core. He was an asshole about it, sure. But he was right.
It's funny how vocal minorities with opinions that the majority would supposedly perceive to be incorrect never seem to encounter much resistance to their beliefs.
But if I hypothetically said "Dorion is a top 5 GM" (Note: I don't believe that), I'm guessing I'd have a ton of responses from opposing views.
In that thread, when the poster who said Dubas was a "top 3 GM" kicked off the discussion, there was only a few people who responded to counter that view. So I don't know where that big group who automatically argue anything the Leafs do is wrong were but they definitely weren't in that discussion.
Anyway, doesn't even matter at this point. Recency bias has changed the conversation. It would have been helpful to have a poll back in March but now everyone's opinion is going to be different because they're down 3-0 in the series. All I can do is hope the people who were praising Dubas and Keefe so much will come and own up to their opinions.
We'll have to see. Dubas has been GM for a while now. They made the second round for the first time and are about to get swept.
You have to think Keefe and/or Dubas are gone at bare minimum. I'm sure there are enough people out there with resumes who think they can fix Marner, Matthews, Tavares and Nylander (though Nylander has been playing hard and makes 3-4M less).
