Stanley Cup Final Series Scoring Record

[JaymzB]

Does anyone here know who holds the record for most career points in Cup Final Series’? I'd guess it would be Beliveau or Richard, but I was wondering if anyone had the actual #'s.

 

[Section311]

Its Jean Beliveau with 62pts.

 

[JaymzB]

Its Jean Beliveau with 62pts.

Thanks!!

 

[Dark Shadows]

My first hunch tells me Gretzky.

Its possible of course that Gretzky scored a bazillion points in his 6 cup finals. He has 237 points in 117 games the 6 playoff years his team went to the finals. Most of his finals were short 4-5 game affairs though because his teams were dominant(Or in the case of L.A, Roy killed them)

Beliveau 2nd because of the sheer mass of games played, and the fact that he generally outpointed Richard anyways(Although Richard was the more clutch goal scorer). Beliveau was involved in 13 years worth of Stanley cup finals, 10 of them winners. In the 3 finals series that they did not win, 1 went 6 games and 2 went 7 games. And Beliveau was a potent scorer in every single one of them. His worst 2 playoffs were also 2 of Richard's worst years. 58-59(5 points in 3 games. Injured like Richard) and 59-60(7 points in 8 games)
174 points in 140 playoff games in the 13 years his team went to the finals.

Richard was also involved in 13 years of cup finals(Some before Beliveau's time), but in 4 of those years, his scoring in the playoffs looks weaker. 51-52(6 points in 11 games, swept in finals), 53-54(3 points in 11 games), 58-59(0 points in 4 games. Injured this year) and 59-60(4 points in 8 games).


I do not think Bossy or Trottier will have accumulated the points in their 5 cup finals mostly because their finals were all pretty short 4-5 game affairs.

 

[tommygunn]

It'd be interesting to see the stats in possible Cup-clinching games as well.

 

[Section311]

Beliveau also has the most career game winning goals in the Stanley Cup Finals with nine

 

[lextune]

Well, I know Gretz has the record for most points in the finals: 13 in 1988 against my B's. Three goals and 10 assists, (in four games plus the suspended game).

But for career totals I don't know off the top of my head. Probably Béliveau though.....

 

[reckoning]

From Total Stanley Cup:

1. Jean Beliveau 62 (30/32 in 64 games)
2. Wayne Gretzky 53 (18/35 in 31 games)
3. Gordie Howe 50 (18/32 in 55 games)
4. Henri Richard 47 (21/26 in 65 games)
5. Maurice Richard 46 (34/12 in 59 games)
5. Bernie Geoffrion 46 (24/22 in 53 games)


In a 30 team league, I can't see any player playing in enough finals to beat Beliveau's mark.

 

[lextune]

Here's everyone's totals........

http://stanleycupplayoffs2008.com/tscFinalSeriesScoringRegister.aspx?letter=All

 

[justsomeguy]

Here's everyone's totals........

http://stanleycupplayoffs2008.com/tscFinalSeriesScoringRegister.aspx?letter=All

Thanks for this. Certainly shows Dick Duff to be a clutch player, doesn't it? Think he's about 12th for points in the finals.

 

[Dark Shadows]

Thanks for this. Certainly shows Dick Duff to be a clutch player, doesn't it? Think he's about 12th for points in the finals.

Dick Duff's record did impress me. Almost half his playoff points were from the finals.

However, the player whom I often tout as underrated(At least by a few people who think he is overrated) is Henri Richard. He was the player on that team everyone looked to as a clutch leader. Even Captain Beliveau.

I always refer to Henri Richard as "Messier-lite", because of the similarities of their situation. Both were 2nd line centers behind legendary players. Both integral parts of Dynasties and clutch players who were considered leaders even before they got their "C".

Both were considered good complete players, but Messier was "very Good" two way(But never a Selke candidate) and Richard was one of the best two way players(Selke caliber if the trophy had existed), although Messier has an edge in scoring. Era's were very different, but how they scored in relation to their peers is similar.

Messier:
Goals
1981-82 NHL 50 (8)
1982-83 NHL 48 (9)
1989-90 NHL 45 (9)
1995-96 NHL 47 (9)

Assists
1986-87 NHL 70 (3)
1987-88 NHL 74 (5)
1988-89 NHL 61 (8)
1989-90 NHL 84 (2)
1991-92 NHL 72 (6)
1994-95 NHL 39 (6)

Points
1982-83 NHL 106 (7)
1986-87 NHL 107 (3)
1987-88 NHL 111 (5)
1989-90 NHL 129 (2)
1991-92 NHL 107 (5)
1994-95 NHL 53 (10)

Richard:
Goals
1957-58 NHL 28 (7)
1959-60 NHL 30 (5)

Assists
1956-57 NHL 36 (8)
1957-58 NHL 52 (1)
1959-60 NHL 43 (4)
1960-61 NHL 44 (7)
1962-63 NHL 50 (1)
1963-64 NHL 39 (10)
1965-66 NHL 39 (8)

Points
1956-57 NHL 54 (9)
1957-58 NHL 80 (2)
1959-60 NHL 73 (5)
1960-61 NHL 68 (9)
1962-63 NHL 73 (4)
1965-66 NHL 61 (9)
1966-67 NHL 55 (10)

And their all star records at a glance look different, but are not that much. Messier first 2 Selections came from the LW position(A selection much easier to attain than center in either era) playing on Gretzky's line. His 3rd season was also a LW selection, but I am certain he was a center on the 2nd line that year with Anderson.

Messier:
1981-82 NHL NHL All-Star Team (1st)LW
1982-83 NHL NHL All-Star Team (1st)LW
1983-84 NHL NHL All-Star Team (2nd)LW
1989-90 NHL NHL All-Star Team (1st)C
1991-92 NHL NHL All-Star Team (1st)C

Richard:
Honors
1957-58 NHL NHL All-Star Team (1st)C
1958-59 NHL NHL All-Star Team (2nd)C
1960-61 NHL NHL All-Star Team (2nd)C
1962-63 NHL NHL All-Star Team (2nd)C

Anyways. I know Messier is a superior player. No doubt about that at all, and I agree with Richard's placement on the list.
However, Richard often gets tabbed as a "Tag along" by his detractors when his supporters mention how invaluable he was in 11 Cup wins. His teammates and coaches all consider him to be one of the greatest ever and the leader of that team, by word and deed. His finals numbers, combined with his terrific two way play from the second line clearly show just how invaluable he was.

 

[justsomeguy]

I'm not sure you CAN over-rate Henri Richard.

 

[Big Phil]

Funny how in the past I have promoted Beliveau as the #5 player of all-time behind the "big 4" (you know who they are) and ahead of the likes of Hull, Richard and Harvey yet I've been criticized for it. The man was almost always money in the playoffs and isn't that far behind Richard IMO in that department

 

[Dark Shadows]

Funny how in the past I have promoted Beliveau as the #5 player of all-time behind the "big 4" (you know who they are) and ahead of the likes of Hull, Richard and Harvey yet I've been criticized for it. The man was almost always money in the playoffs and isn't that far behind Richard IMO in that department

I was one of the few who initially voted Beliveau 5th as well, but Strong arguments for Hull, Shore and Richard prompted a shuffle from me.

 

[FissionFire]

I'm not sure you CAN over-rate Henri Richard.

I disagree. My opinions on him are well documented in the Top 100 discussion threads. I feel he's probably the most overrated player in the history of the NHL.

 

[Dark Shadows]

I disagree. My opinions on him are well documented in the Top 100 discussion threads. I feel he's probably the most overrated player in the history of the NHL.

And I think you and I had many a good discussion about it, prompting posts like the above I made.

But define overrated for me again. I can't remember if you were one of the extremists who thought he was not top 100 material, or just did not think he belonged in the top 50(Which is fine)

His performance is far too close to Messier's to be ignored outright.

 

[Big Phil]

I disagree. My opinions on him are well documented in the Top 100 discussion threads. I feel he's probably the most overrated player in the history of the NHL.

Claude Lemieux and Chris Osgood just said hello!

But seriously it's pretty hard to overrate a guy who won 11 Cups and was a key element to them as well. Henri doesnt have bad stats, but to look at that alone would be short-sighted. He brought so much more to the table than that. Think Dave Keon for an instance. Richard played both ends of the ice splendidly in fact Phil Esposito mentioned him as the guy who he hated playing against most in his career.

 

[tommygunn]

For the most part, it seems like if a Hall of Fame player doesn't have great offensive stats.. a lot of people on here seem to inevitably conclude he's overrated. e.g. Gainey, Pocket Rocket, etc.