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Quick is definitely painfully overrated...
2011-2012 KINGS 20 16 4 3 29 538 .946 1.41 1,238
2012-2013 KINGS 18 9 9 3 34 518 .934 1.86 1,099
Pre-Game Talk: Stanley Cup Final: New York Rangers vs. Los Angeles Kings
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Quick is definitely painfully overrated...
2011-2012 KINGS 20 16 4 3 29 538 .946 1.41 1,238
2012-2013 KINGS 18 9 9 3 34 518 .934 1.86 1,099
Another trend to note:
Rangers have gotten better and better since the end of the Olympics. They started off struggling. Then went to .500 hockey. They then went on to play good hockey to secure the 2nd seed in the Metro division.
They played the Flyers and lost 3 games due to sloppy play, unemotional connection, and injury.
They played the Penguins and lost 3 games, again due to sloppy play, unemotional connection, injury, and also temporary fatigue. They came together to win the final 3 games of the series and go to the ECF.
They played the Habs and were the better team in 5 out of the 6 games. They lost 1 game due to a freak bounce and the other because they played undisciplined hockey.
I'd assume that due to this trend, we should be awfully excited to see the level that the Rangers play at in this final series. Alain has turned out to be an excellent coach and his motivational tactics are really something to behold for this year's Rangers.
Rangers have gotten better and better since the end of the Olympics. They started off struggling. Then went to .500 hockey. They then went on to play good hockey to secure the 2nd seed in the Metro division.
They played the Flyers and lost 3 games due to sloppy play, unemotional connection, and injury.
They played the Penguins and lost 3 games, again due to sloppy play, unemotional connection, injury, and also temporary fatigue. They came together to win the final 3 games of the series and go to the ECF.
They played the Habs and were the better team in 5 out of the 6 games. They lost 1 game due to a freak bounce and the other because they played undisciplined hockey.
I'd assume that due to this trend, we should be awfully excited to see the level that the Rangers play at in this final series. Alain has turned out to be an excellent coach and his motivational tactics are really something to behold for this year's Rangers.
BlueshirtBlitz
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The NYR SBNation shows how the Kings playoff PP numbers are a significant outlier from any other stretch during their season. I think that might be due to going against subpar goaltenders for most of the playoffs.
On the other hand, the Rangers PK has gone against good PP's with good offensive players all playoffs. I think that it's most likely that LA will come down to earth when facing our great PK, and the King.
This is an important series for everyone on this team, but it's so much more for Hank. As good as he's been in the years prior to now, he will have to be so much better now.
From the casual fan to the majority of people who work inside or around the NHL, the Kings are huge, huge favorites to not only win, but flat out dominate the Rangers.
It's a legacy defining series for Hank, and a chance for the team as a whole to shut the mouths of their many critics.
From the casual fan to the majority of people who work inside or around the NHL, the Kings are huge, huge favorites to not only win, but flat out dominate the Rangers.
It's a legacy defining series for Hank, and a chance for the team as a whole to shut the mouths of their many critics.
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Isn't that anecdotal information? Extrapolating from that might work out. Might not.
BlueshirtBlitz
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That's nice.
It's also nice you left out this years PO stats, where he's playing 21 games with a SV% of .906 this year, which brings his playoff career average down to .922. That's STILL higher than his regular season career numbers. .915 and .902 the last two years. He had one very good regular season.
Quick is not great and the Rangers have to remember that.
I disagree. I think if they focus on the right players that they can completely disrupt the King's style of play, rendering it ineffective.
Focusing on Carter, who is the focal point of the King's 2nd line, will severely affect the quality of chances his line mates have.
Focusing on Gaborik and Brown will affect the effectiveness of Kopitar, whose options will be to force passes or shoot himself.
Focusing on Doughty will stifle their blue line offense. Doughty is a huge part of their success.
Subban was as significant as Doughty for the Habs blue line defense. They looked to him to shoot. Sure some of their other defenders shot, and i'm sure we will see players like Martinez and Muzzin shoot occasionally, but no more than Markov and Boulloin did for the Habs. Stifle Doughty, stifle the defense.
Stifle Gaborik and Brown, you stifle Kopitar.
Stifle Carter, you stifle their entire 2nd line.
I think you really can focus on a handful of their guys and it'll completely throw them off. It's just about focusing on the right guys. The Hawks doubled up on Kopitar, that opened up Gabby. Hawks dd a **** job on Doughty, too.
BlueshirtBlitz
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I wouldn't say it's anecdotal-- I don't think it's really out there to believe that a PP that was much worse for most of the season than the last 20 games is due for regression. Sure, it's always a possibility it doesn't regress and LA dominates us 4v5, but I think given how good the Rangers have been with killing penalties LA won't be scoring as much as they have when given the man advantage.
Miamipuck
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Our boys are getting absolutely no respect on the boards and throughout the league. Everyone "knows" Kings win in 5 or 6.
Miamipuck
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The Rangers played the #1 power play that included Malkin, Crosby, Neal, and Letang. If they can stop that monstrosity, I am pretty sure that stopping LA's is within the realm of possibility.
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LMAO I just realized the guy screenshot alot of HFBoards posts on the article
LMAO I just realized the guy screenshot alot of HFBoards posts on the article
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The Flyers had 10 players with 35 or more points.
The Flyers had 7 players with 20 or more goals.
The Penguins had 6 players with 35 or more points.
The Penguins had 5 players with 20 or more goals.
The Canadiens had 8 players with 35 or more points.
The Canadiens had 3 players with 20 or more goals. (6 with 15+)
The Kings had 5 players with 35 or more points (Voynov had 34)
The Kings had 2 players with 20 or more goals (Williams had 19)
Granted, I'm only talking about regular season here, not playoffs.
People are seriously underrating the quality of opponent we've played, especially regarding their depth.
Also on the flip side...
The Rangers had 9 players with 35 or more points, and 3 players with 20 or more goals.
I'm counting MSL here, as he's on the final roster. Just as i counted Vanek for the Habs, Gabby for the Kings, etc.
If you wanna break it down even further to lower numbers.
Rangers had 10 players with at least 10 or more goals this season. The Kings? Also 10. (I picked 10 to help the Kings numbers out, if we went with the Rangers "threshold, it would be 14 or more goals, and the numbers become 10 to 5 in favor of the Rangers).
Kings had 13 players with 20 or more points, Rangers had 11...again this is a King friendly number, if you drop it to say 15 or more points the numbers become 15 to 13 Rangers.
Whats the point of this whole argument?
That the Kings depth is a little overstated when compared to the Rangers and their opposition.
Im not sayign they ARENT a deep team, I'm saying the teams weve played as well as ourselves are very much "deep" so to speak, with lots of weapons.
I agree. The LA powerplay can be scary but the was the Rangers handled the Penguins and Montreal powerplay not as big of a concern as just stopping all 4 lines of the Kings at even strength. Their depth at center is impressive but i feel we have 4 lines that are very responsible defensively for the most part.
Lets clear up a few things fellow Rangers fans:
Quick is NOT over rated. He is an excellent goalie who has a Stanley Cup ring. It will be very tough to score on him. Be prepared for that.
The Kings are easily, very easily the deepest team we've played thus far.
The Rangers hold no significant edge over LA but they do have a number of things working in their favor:
Excellent team chemistry.
Elite goal tending
Excellent team defense
Balanced scoring
Speed.
They have a chance to beat a very highly favored team. But only if they are able to take what they do well and bring it up to another level.
By far this is the toughest test this team has faced and it would be absolutely historic if the Rangers were to come out on top. That could be the advantage the Rangers need to leverage. Everybody thinks LA will dominate.
Quick is NOT over rated. He is an excellent goalie who has a Stanley Cup ring. It will be very tough to score on him. Be prepared for that.
The Kings are easily, very easily the deepest team we've played thus far.
The Rangers hold no significant edge over LA but they do have a number of things working in their favor:
Excellent team chemistry.
Elite goal tending
Excellent team defense
Balanced scoring
Speed.
They have a chance to beat a very highly favored team. But only if they are able to take what they do well and bring it up to another level.
By far this is the toughest test this team has faced and it would be absolutely historic if the Rangers were to come out on top. That could be the advantage the Rangers need to leverage. Everybody thinks LA will dominate.
This might not be the best time to bring this up but I don't know why this is such a shock. I am NOT speaking to you directly here when I say THIS BOARD gave the team no respect almost the entire year. Perhaps the posters on the "main board" just read this board during the pre-trade deadline threads. If ANYBODY dared to post anything that resembled a prediction the Rangers could make the Stanley Cup finals (Not even winning it just making it) they were mocked with posts like "Yeah,anything can happen lolzzzz". The same arguments those posters used is now being used by posters from the other boards.
Seriously, look at the trade deadline threads, the St. Louis threads, AND the just how good are the Rangers thread. The same posters who are now acting offended were the one's who are using the arguments OTHER FANS ARE NOW USING!!!!! Compare the posts from those threads to the playoff thread.
To some posters "our boys" got no respect or little respect on this board for 8 months.
This "we are the victims" in this lack of respect game is bogus. We aren't the victims, THIS board perpetrated a lot of the myths about this team you are reading about on the playoff board.
looks like we will be seeing a ton of numbers crunching these next couple days and people trying to extrapolate that data as best they can to determine a winner. We soon shall see. I've said a couple times that both teams have a good shot at winning this. LA gets the edge because in their last game they beat the defending Stanley Cup champs and the Rangers beat a team that wasn't supposed to be in the finals...just like the Rangers. That's the perception, and if you're a betting man and took that bet every time, you'd probably win more than lose. To the rest of the world the Rangers still need to prove themselves. We can look at stats all day long but the other side will talk about how the Rangers beat a team after knocking out arguably their best and important player. If the skate was on the other foot... we can go through and analyze and extrapolate as much data as we like, it's the unknown variables we do not know that contributes to wins. Which Rangers teams show for the games and when? The one that beat the Pens in the 7th game or the one that lost to Montreal 7-4? Same with Kings.No clear winner here on paper, which is good since I'd like to see the games be played. I do like the Rangers chances, but everyone will have to show up every night to win this series, especially this team's best penalty killer, Lundqvist.
BlueshirtBlitz
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I agree with everything you say, except this. Like I said in the pick your poison thread, the Kings are us with worse goaltending and better offense. If the Rangers win, it's because of their franchise goaltender. Quick IS overrated. He's a good goalie with two monstrous post-season runs, sure. But he's been nothing but average this post-season, which is much like his career numbers outside of one huge year.
Henrik Lundqvist is an excellent goalie. Henrik Lundqvist, in fact, is the best goaltender in the world at this very moment. As a Rangers fan posting on a hockey board, I feel I should go out of my way to enunciate that fact. Quick is not on Hank's level. No matter what narratives exist, there is no goalie that has been as good as Henrik Lundqvist. Sure, there might be some eventually (maybe Bob in CBJ, who had a good season this year to avoid becoming a one year SSS wonder, and maybe Tuukka in Boston) but Henrik Lundqvist is unequivocally the greatest at his craft this very moment.
Ever since Hank demonstrated how good he was and could be consistently, there have always been guys coming out with one monster year that people point to to say Hank ISN'T the best. Bobrovsky, Price, Quick, Ryan Miller, etc. Nobody, especially not Jon Quick, has come close to exhibiting such a consistent stretch of dominance than Henrik Lundqvist has ever since he threw on the NYR sweater.
Sure, in a 7 game series any goalie can play out of their mind, and Quick could absolutely dominate us and make Hank look like a scrub. Hell, given 20 games any goalie can play out of their mind- Halak springs to mind instantly, where he put on one of the most amazing clinics in goaltending over 14 games i've ever seen. What happened after that? He reverted back to what he is: a good goalie who can play very good for short stretches. Jon Quick is closer to Jaroslav Halak than he is to Henrik Lundqvist.
Saying Quick is on Hank's level is simply not true (and i'm not saying that's what you're saying, just the general consensus of hockey fandom) and it's pretty much the sole reason this series is much closer than the main boards here will say.
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Anything can happen in the finals. The 3rd/4th line has REALLY stepped it up this post season. I am hoping that the Rangers' speed (especially on the 3rd/4th) will help expose any slowness on the 3rd/4th of LA.
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