Value of: Staal to the Jets

[10Ducky10]

Jordan Staal to the Jets?
Wondering what it would take.

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[Shootertooter]

Sweeten the deal for him by adding Marc first.

 

[Kaen]

I'm not a Canes fan, but I think they're looking to add a top 6 forward, not trade one away.

 

[Pongs21]

But, why?

 

[mcpw]

What? Why?

 

[Hunter368]

Wtf? Why do the Jets want Staal?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Do people even know the needs of the teams they want to trade their player to?

I am not a Jets fan, but I know they have absolutely no need to add top-6 forwards at the moment. Their need is on defense, on the left side. Wrong Staal

 

[Vatican Roulette]

Staal
Fleury

For

Stafford
Trouba
Lemiuex

 

[Pongs21]

Staal
Fleury

For

Stafford
Trouba
Lemiuex

Yikes..

 

[Hunter368]

Staal
Fleury

For

Stafford
Trouba
Lemiuex

Just no.....from Jets

 

[Vatican Roulette]

Yikes..

Just no.....from Jets

Ok, so, swing and a miss

 

[Gump Hasek]

Oh look, another thread by 10Ducky10.

 

[Chan790]

Jordan Staal to the Jets?
Wondering what it would take.

A lot. His value to the Canes is higher than his value around the league...I'd also say it's about a 1-in-3 likelihood he's the next Canes captain. I also don't really see a need for the Jets for Staal. This one is just dead-on-arrival...it makes no sense.

The Canes are solid on the blueline on both sides (weaker on the RHD side though) at the prospect level. Deep upfront, but lacking top-line talent. Decent G specs but 2-3 years away.

The Jets needs are for a LHD. Staal isn't a needed piece for them.

These two teams might be a match, but not this deal. The Canes have LHD specs they can move, though such a deal makes more sense in camp if someone (Fleury?, Carrick?) absolutely busts-out and shows they belong in the NHL today and the Canes feel they can get the missing top-end talent (not NHL-ready) they need for one of their blueliners.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Do people even know the needs of the teams they want to trade their player to?

I am not a Jets fan, but I know they have absolutely no need to add top-6 forwards at the moment. Their need is on defense, on the left side. Wrong Staal

Um, I'm pretty sure the OP is a Jet's fan based on his posting history. He's definitely not a Canes fans so he's not trying to trade "our" player to them.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Staal
Fleury

For

Stafford
Trouba
Lemiuex

Yikes..

You may say "yikes" but that makes zero sense for Carolina also. With Stafford being a UFA in a year, that trade is essentially Trouba for Staal, and Fleury for Lemiuex. Given that D is a strength in Carolina and forward is a weakness, can't see how this proposal makes the Canes better, in fact, I'd argue it makes them worse.

 

[Vatican Roulette]

You may say "yikes" but that makes zero sense for Carolina also. With Stafford being a UFA in a year, that trade is essentially Trouba for Staal, and Fleury for Lemiuex. Given that D is a strength in Carolina and forward is a weakness, can't see how this proposal makes the Canes better, in fact, I'd argue it makes them worse.

Well IMO Stafford will put up good numbers in Carolina, and being a UFA that gives him great trade value at the deadline.

I factored in Stafford trade value into the deal.

Also, I think Trouba to Carolina makes a ton of sense. After Faulk, Carolina has Pesce and a good prospect. Getting Trouba gives Carolina a RHD two-headed monster. On the Left side, Hanafin and Slavin.

Someone like McKeown, Murphy, Fleury could also be dealt for any need the Canes might have(value aside).

In that situation, Pesce would become available.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Well IMO Stafford will put up good numbers in Carolina, and being a UFA that gives him great trade value at the deadline.

Nobody puts up good numbers in Carolina. So I wouldn't assume Stafford will. Even so, it's the UFA aspect that lowers his value for me.

I factored in Stafford trade value into the deal.

I get that, but for a team like Carolina who, at best will be a bubble team, a 30YO UFA to be isn't as valuable. Re: the deadline aspect: IMO, (a) you can't assume he'll be moved at he deadline and (b) even if he is, he'll be moved for guys that likely won't be in the NHL for 3+ years. That's not not what the Canes are looking for.

Also, I think Trouba to Carolina makes a ton of sense. After Faulk, Carolina has Pesce and a good prospect. Getting Trouba gives Carolina a RHD two-headed monster. On the Left side, Hanafin and Slavin.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying Trouba wouldn't be a fit on Carolina. I'd love to have him behind Faulk on the RHD side. But the Canes have 2 problems right now. (1) Scoring goals and (2) Goaltending. Moving Jordan Staal, who not only can put up close to 50 points on a crappy offensive team, also is the teams best defensive forward makes a big hole on the team.

Someone like McKeown, Murphy, Fleury could also be dealt for any need the Canes might have(value aside).

In that situation, Pesce would become available.

Maybe, but that's counting on a lot of moving parts and assuming that these young, unproven guys can get good players back that can contribute now.

I wasn't commenting value wise, I just think moving a guy that is arguably the teams best forward for a defenseman as the main piece coming back doesn't make sense when forwards are a bigger need on the team. That's the crux of it.

 

[Chan790]

Well IMO Stafford will put up good numbers in Carolina, and being a UFA that gives him great trade value at the deadline.

I factored in Stafford trade value into the deal.

Also, I think Trouba to Carolina makes a ton of sense. After Faulk, Carolina has Pesce and a good prospect. Getting Trouba gives Carolina a RHD two-headed monster. On the Left side, Hanafin and Slavin.

Someone like McKeown, Murphy, Fleury could also be dealt for any need the Canes might have(value aside).

In that situation, Pesce would become available.

Seems like a lot of effort to:

move a guy we probably don't want to move (Staal) and a guy (Fleury) we'd be better off moving 1:1 for an equal F spec

to get

an pending UFA (Stafford) we could recoup trade-deadline value for, an F spec (Lemieux) whose upside is probably as a gritty middle-6 NHL forward (Note: The Canes already have a glut of these) and a young Dman (Trouba) whose greatest value to us would be to flip for an F spec rather than keep...all to make another young Dman (Pesce) we probably have no interest in moving available.

Tl;dr: This would be a pointless move that makes the Canes worse, doesn't address a single need and returns assets at positions of strength.

 

[FreshSeabass]

^^^^Pretty much what BBA said. I won't speak for the rest of the canes fans but for me it would have to be a deal i couldn't refuse to move staal simply because we have no reason to move out a top 6 forward which we are in need of.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I'd move Staal for the right deal, and for me, it wouldn't have to be a deal too good to pass up, but it'd have to be a deal that would fill a need. I'm pretty sure WPG doesn't need Staal and doesn't want to give up a young, skilled, scoring forward (which is what the Canes need) so not sure a deal makes sense between these two teams.

 

[CaptainChef]

Ok, so, swing and a miss

Yes, maybe you and Ducky can go swing somewhere else.

 

[FreshSeabass]

I'd move Staal for the right deal, and for me, it wouldn't have to be a deal too good to pass up, but it'd have to be a deal that would fill a need. I'm pretty sure WPG doesn't need Staal and doesn't want to give up a young, skilled, scoring forward (which is what the Canes need) so not sure a deal makes sense between these two teams.

Exactly!! by "deal i can't refuse" i meant them offering up "young, skilled, scoring forward" or two. Which i doubt they would cause i sure as heck would not if i were the jets. But even then losing jordan staal would be kind of a big loss because he is one of our best defensive forwards. So yeah i really don't see a deal to be made here.

 

[Vatican Roulette]

Yes, maybe you and Ducky can go swing somewhere else.

Lo siento.

 

[Nickel eye Heel hers]

Lo siento.

I think if hockey fans had to make actual trade deals for their respective clubs it would turn into bloody gun fights.

Nothing to be sorry for. I think all the main page forum posters are starting to turn cranky.

We have to remind ourselves not to take anything personally. It's just a hockey forum and most of us are here for the same reasons.

We're passionate about our teams.

 

[Roboturner913]

Where is Carolina going to find another Selke-caliber center who can put up 45-50 points with two 3rd-liners on his wings? The price would be high. Real high.

The only way I can see a Jordan Staal trade is if the team absolutely goes in the toilet this season. He would have an awful lot of appeal for playoff-bound teams at the deadline. Even then, I don't think Carolina does it, he's a building block they need going forward with so many young players.