Speculation: Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXIV

[KevinFinnerty]

Gone are the days of misfits on our bottom 6 like Desharnais, Carey, Glass, now we have grit and IQ on every line. Veteran leadership— Goodrow, Reaves, Blais (he’s gonna be loved here), shit even Hunt is under the radar— he’s solid all around.

 

[KevinFinnerty]

Yep, likely why he wants to maximize salary and term with a young growing family.

But do you risk leaving NY and your golden ticket in Panarin for a few mil extra just to have your career stagnate and not even get re-upped on the next contract? He knows it’s a risk to leave a proven good situation here.

 

[LyNX27]

Gone are the days of misfits on our bottom 6 like Desharnais, Carey, Glass, now we have grit and IQ on every line. Veteran leadership— Goodrow, Reaves, Blais (he’s gonna be loved here), shit even Hunt is under the radar— he’s solid all around.

Agreed. There's a lot of cautious pessimism going around, but our bottom 2 lines look significantly better than last year and we're finally giving the kids a solid look on the top 2 lines.

Goodrow, Reaves, Blais > Howden, Lemieux, DiGiuseppe

 

[KevinFinnerty]

The Blue Jackets shitcanned noted loser and ex-Ranger Sylvain Lefebvre. I hated the guy as a player. Real piece of shit. Love to see this.

Wish it was Sandy McCarthy that got the promotion!

 

[Barnaby]

I would like to see Gallant try Panarin-Chytil-Strome as 2nd line. Keep the Panarin/Strome chemistry intact and let Filip get some run in the top 6

It seems like Strome and Panarin have played best with a defensively responsible player who can go in the corners and get the puck. I don’t think that line works and that’s aside from my thinking that Chytil/Panarin won’t mesh well due to styles.

If Chytil proves capable of taking Stromes spot and they have a solid 3C then maybe move Strome then. Not before.

Panarin-Strome-Kakko/Goodrow

 

[Avery16]

Not all 2nd round picks (what we’d likely acquire) become impactful NHLers. I’m not scrapping a run where this team can grow exponentially just to add a 2nd round pick.

I’m no Strome super fan, but if you can’t improve on him then you hang onto him this year.

Like I said, its a gamble. Id personally take the 2nd know that that he will walk and we will have nothing to show for it other than a 1st or 2nd round playoff loss.

 

[motopanekeku]

Some people want this guy traded..

He reminds me of vintage Staal with a smattering of pre-Rangers Wade Redden

 

[Barnaby]

I'd love for Chytil and Goodrow to be joined at the hip.

If Chytil could develop 2way accumen/playstyle of a Goodrow, it would help the team A LOT moving forward.

Im much more interested in Kreider-Chytil-Kakko/Kravstov

That’s a beast 3rd line.

 

[Barnaby]

Like I said, its a gamble. Id personally take the 2nd know that that he will walk and we will have nothing to show for it other than a 1st or 2nd round playoff loss.

Why now? See what you have first. He’ll certainly be worth a 2nd or more in season for a team dying for a C.

Theres risk trading him now. If your c’s can’t handle it then they’ll go overpay for someone else’s rental. Let it play out. At this point he’ll probably be worth more at the deadline then you can decide to self rent if you want. The only risk your saving by dealing him now is if he has an unforeseen season ending injury and you can’t run your team like that.

 

[Barnaby]

My lines:

Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Kakko
Panarin-Strome-Kravtsov
Kreider-Chytil-Goodrow
Blais-Rooney-Gauthier
Reaves/Hunt

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Nemeth-Lundkvist
Tinordi

Shesterkin
Georgiev

PP1:

Kreider (net front)
Panarin-Zibanejad-Lafreniere
Fox

PP2:

Kakko (behind the net)
Chytil-Strome-Kravtsov
Trouba/Miller

PK1:

Zibanejad-Kakko
Lindgren-Fox

PK2:

Rooney-Goodrow
Nemeth-Trouba

Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Kakko
Panarin-Strome-Goodrow
Kreider-Chytil-Kravstov
Blais-Rooney-Reeves/Hunt

I like your lines but think this might be a nicer balance.

 

[Barnaby]

But do you risk leaving NY and your golden ticket in Panarin for a few mil extra just to have your career stagnate and not even get re-upped on the next contract? He knows it’s a risk to leave a proven good situation here.

If I’m getting my big 5+ year contract, maximize my dollars, and have term in a place where I’m happy raising my family? Without a 2nd thought. I’m not taking less to play with Panarin where maybe I keep playing with him and maybe I can get a last 1-2 year deal in my mid 30’s.

 

[pld459666]

My memory is slipping so I reviewed his stats /Verbeek and it actually looks like he was starting to decline which is likely why he was not resigned and he skipped for Dallas. We likely dodged a big bad contract for a change ....so...can't blame management on that one .

Possibly, but had he stayed, he plays with Messier or Gretzky, easily capable of reproducing his 41/41 statline

 

[pld459666]

In 3 years, Will Cuylle is going to be the teams 3rd line LW posting 20/20.

The 7th overall pick will have provided us with an actual NHL'er after all. And a better one at that

Lias will be in Sweden

 

[Avery16]

Why now? See what you have first. He’ll certainly be worth a 2nd or more in season for a team dying for a C.

Theres risk trading him now. If your c’s can’t handle it then they’ll go overpay for someone else’s rental. Let it play out. At this point he’ll probably be worth more at the deadline then you can decide to self rent if you want. The only risk your saving by dealing him now is if he has an unforeseen season ending injury and you can’t run your team like that.

I’m not saying now. Just before the contract is up.

 

[bl02]

Agreed. There's a lot of cautious pessimism going around, but our bottom 2 lines look significantly better than last year and we're finally giving the kids a solid look on the top 2 lines.

Goodrow, Reaves, Blais > Howden, Lemieux, DiGiuseppe

yet I’m told By some we are a worse team than last year.

 

[bl02]

Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Kakko
Panarin-Strome-Goodrow
Kreider-Chytil-Kravstov
Blais-Rooney-Reeves/Hunt

I like your lines but think this might be a nicer balance.

I know people wanna see Kravtsov in the top 6 and maybe that works in the end but I see Goodrow taking that spot as well.
Only thing maybe in the end is if Chytil continues to struggle at the dot then Goodrow gets paired with him to take the FO’s ???

 

[bl02]

I hope Lafreniere and Kakko work out on that first line. Helps the rest of the lineup fall into place. I feel if one of them struggle it won’t be long before Kreider or another vet winger gets moved up there

 

[Barnaby]

yet I’m told By some we are a worse team than last year.

Can’t see it for those saying that (unless injuries strike hard obviously.) Young guys are a year older and will have a full training camp. Forward lines have much greater depth. That 3rd defense pairing should be less of a liability. Plus don’t discount the impact made on the room by vets like Goodrow, Reeves, and Blais.

 

[LyNX27]

yet I’m told By some we are a worse team than last year.

There are definitely some issues that may be putting us at risk of a poor season or even being handcuffed a year or two from now... Losing Buchnevich hurts, promoting kids is not a guarantee of production on top 2 lines, and we are locking a lot of cap up in a handful of players over long terms, but I think we're in a good position to fight for a playoff spot and really get these kids on the wings, flying.

 

[EdJovanovski]

I know people wanna see Kravtsov in the top 6 and maybe that works in the end but I see Goodrow taking that spot as well.
Only thing maybe in the end is if Chytil continues to struggle at the dot then Goodrow gets paired with him to take the FO’s ???

Kravtsov is the best forward on our team sans Panarin so that ain’t happening!

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Kravtsov is the best forward on our team sans Panarin so that ain’t happening!

 

[RGY]

Some people want this guy traded..

Its not about “wanting him traded”

Its about there being a good chance him having the “lowest” ceiling from a group that consists of Lundkvist/Schneider/Robertson (dont see Jones ahead of him), while already having Fox/Lindgren/Trouba here for the foreseeable future. You have other holes to fill. The guys ahead of him have shown a much better prowess for the defensive side of the puck, and well ya know they are indeed defensemen so thats important.

I like Miller, he needs more polishing. His game fell apart halfway through the season. He isn’t a can’t miss prospect, he isn’t untouchable. I am not here to give him away, but if the right deal came along?

 

[Lays]

Its not about “wanting him traded”

Its about there being a good chance him having the “lowest” ceiling from a group that consists of Lundkvist/Schneider/Robertson (dont see Jones ahead of him), while already having Fox/Lindgren/Trouba here for the foreseeable future. You have other holes to fill. The guys ahead of him have shown a much better prowess for the defensive side of the puck, and well ya know they are indeed defensemen so thats important.

I like Miller, he needs more polishing. His game fell apart halfway through the season. He isn’t a can’t miss prospect, he isn’t untouchable. I am not here to give him away, but if the right deal came along?

Miller has higher upside than anyone you mentioned. Dude is 6’5 and a better skater than anyone you mentioned, while also being the best athlete of his draft class. He transitioned to D at age 16 and at age 20 he was bullying Crosby, Barzal, etc. in some of these clips. And so what if he fell off a bit at the end of the year? He’s a rookie defenseman from the NCAA which has a shorter season compared to most developmental leagues. How anyone can think he has lower upside than Matthew Robertson?? is ridiculous.

 

[RGY]

Miller has higher upside than anyone you mentioned. Dude is 6’5 and a better skater than anyone you mentioned, while also being the best athlete of his draft class. He transitioned to D at age 16 and at age 20 he was bullying Crosby, Barzal, etc. in some of these clips. And so what if he fell off a bit at the end of the year? He’s a rookie defenseman from the NCAA which has a shorter season compared to most developmental leagues. How anyone can think he has lower upside than Matthew Robertson?? is ridiculous.

Thank you for the opinion piece you just posted.

Who cares if “he is the best athlete of his draft class”. It means jack if he cannot play the position of Defense at the NHL level. He fell off a cliff and much of his mistakes were driven by having a low hockey IQ for the position because he hasn’t played it long enough. Just flat out dumb boneheaded mistakes. Could it change? Sure but that is by no means a guarantee. Dont care that he is 6’5” defenseman. That logic so f***ing flawed… errr… ‘he is big so he is definitely going to succeed and be good’. There are plenty of 5’11” defensemen in today’s NHL that are great at what they do.

I hate this because it starts to sound like some hateful bash post when its just about being realistic. Its not ridiculous to stake a claim that there is a chance he ends up with a lower ceiling than Matthew Robertson who has been playing the position longer and is more refined. Not ridiculous one bit. We have Fox. We likely will have Lundkvist out there. Those are two smooth defensemen with a great first pass. We need balance and we need defensive minded players on the blueline who can actually play smart defense. Not crazy to think Robertson and Schneider will be better at playing defense than Miller.

Its not crazy to say Miller could be traded for the right price. Its crazy some here act like he is untouchable. Thats “ridiculous”

 

[Lays]

Thank you for the opinion piece you just posted.

Who cares if “he is the best athlete of his draft class”. It means jack if he cannot play the position of Defense at the NHL level. He fell off a cliff and much of his mistakes were driven by having a low hockey IQ for the position because he hasn’t played it long enough. Just flat out dumb boneheaded mistakes. Could it change? Sure but that is by no means a guarantee. Dont care that he is 6’5” defenseman. That logic so f***ing flawed… errr… ‘he is big so he is definitely going to succeed and be good’. There are plenty of 5’11” defensemen in today’s NHL that are great at what they do.

I hate this because it starts to sound like some hateful bash post when its just about being realistic. Its not ridiculous to stake a claim that there is a chance he ends up with a lower ceiling than Matthew Robertson who has been playing the position longer and is more refined. Not ridiculous one bit. We have Fox. We likely will have Lundkvist out there. Those are two smooth defensemen with a great first pass. We need balance and we need defensive minded players on the blueline who can actually play smart defense. Not crazy to think Robertson and Schneider will be better at playing defense than Miller.

Its not crazy to say Miller could be traded for the right price. Its crazy some here act like he is untouchable. Thats “ridiculous”

I can’t argue with someone who thinks that Matt Robertson has more upside than K’Andre Miller with their main reason being “he’s more refined and has been playing defense longer” it’s the other way around buddy