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jay from jersey said:
I agree. Strome was a better option then Blackwell on the PP. SMH Quinn.
LaF or Kakko have to be a staple on the first PP
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He is 10th in the league in 5v4 assists the last two years yet we continually downplay his PP role like he's irrelevant. It's clearly not the case. People just have this notion that you need players on their off wings on the PP to have the one timer option. They also never wanted Strome there to begin with (neither did I) and refuse to change their opinion despite constant success out of the unit.

Also why do you keep putting a capital F in Laf?
 
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Still think that Kamensky was the worse signing of the two between he and Lefebvre. I absolutely despise Stephan Quintal and Aaron Ward. Those two had a sourpuss attitude from the moment they came to New York. I didn't like Kamensky or Lefebvre, but I blame Neil Smith for their horrible contracts rather than the players themselves.
 
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I Eat Crow said:
Still think that Kamensky was the worse signing of the two between he and Lefebvre. I absolutely despise Stephan Quintal and Aaron Ward. Those two had a sourpuss attitude from the moment they came to New York. I didn't like Kamensky or Lefebvre, but I blame Neil Smith for their horrible contracts rather than the players themselves.
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The 90's Rangers, for me, are more a story of terrible trades and effort than terrible FA signings.

Zubov for Robitaille, Robitaille for Stevens

Savard for Hlavac

Kovalev for Nedved

These were all big losing trades.

Losing Verbeek after only one season sucked big time as well. I really liked him.
 
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Fitzy said:
The 90's Rangers, for me, are more a story of terrible trades and effort than terrible FA signings.

Zubov for Robitaille, Robitaille for Stevens

Savard for Hlavac

Kovalev for Nedved

These were all big losing trades.

Losing Verbeek after only one season sucked big time as well. I really liked him.
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Also Ferraro, Norstrom, Laperriere and lafayette for Kurri, Churla and McSoreley.

we even added a 4th for that bunch of garbage.
 
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I still think the Center situation plays out as follows:

Zibanejad signs for 8 years x 8.5 mil - We can debate the merits of this contract (it probably wont look good at the end, but deals like this seldom do) but i think its a necessity for Drury to get something done with Mika before free agency. It seems like both sides want to get it done too.

Strome is a good player but even signing him to a "discount" (5 years x 5mil) probably does more harm than good when it comes to Chytil and a lesser extent Barron. Chytil eventually needs to be given a path to top 6 minutes and I think there's hope Barron can become a defensively responsibly 3C long-term.

I would be in favor of self renting Strome though. His value to the team this year is higher than the return of a 2nd & a fringe prospect. Similar to the Fast situation at the deadline in 2019 when a 3rd was not worth losing a solid veteran.
 
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See- on the one hand having Barclay Goodrow as quite possibly our own Danault- playing the shutdown 3C role, would go a long way to combating concerns about Zibby and Strome's lack of grit and defense as the top two centers.

The problem with that is it leaves no place for Chytil except perhaps the wing. So again, as I've said before, if there is a future here for Strome, I think it is on the RW of Panarin's line. And I don't see NYR willing to offer what he is worth on the open market for him to play that role when they already cut loose Buchnevich.
 
SA16 said:
He is 10th in the league in 5v4 assists the last two years yet we continually downplay his PP role like he's irrelevant. It's clearly not the case. People just have this notion that you need players on their off wings on the PP to have the one timer option. They also never wanted Strome there to begin with (neither did I) and refuse to change their opinion despite constant success out of the unit.

Also why do you keep putting a capital F in Laf?
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I mean what's your point herein the end? Are you advocating for keeping Strome and favoring him over players like Lafreniere? Or are you just trying to point out that Strome isn't as bad as some people think he is?

Strome's not bad, but...the team has to find a way to make guys like Lafreniere and Kakko the true core of the future of the Rangers, not keep them stuck behind players that probably will get moved soon one way or another
 
Fitzy said:
See- on the one hand having Barclay Goodrow as quite possibly our own Danault- playing the shutdown 3C role, would go a long way to combating concerns about Zibby and Strome's lack of grit and defense as the top two centers.

The problem with that is it leaves no place for Chytil except perhaps the wing. So again, as I've said before, if there is a future here for Strome, I think it is on the RW of Panarin's line. And I don't see NYR willing to offer what he is worth on the open market for him to play that role when they already cut loose Buchnevich.
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I would like to see Gallant try Panarin-Chytil-Strome as 2nd line. Keep the Panarin/Strome chemistry intact and let Filip get some run in the top 6
 
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Fitzy said:
The 90's Rangers, for me, are more a story of terrible trades and effort than terrible FA signings.

Zubov for Robitaille, Robitaille for Stevens

Savard for Hlavac

Kovalev for Nedved

These were all big losing trades.

Losing Verbeek after only one season sucked big time as well. I really liked him.
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From what I read, Verbeek didn't like the atmosphere in the locker room and felt the team was headed in the wrong direction. In hindsight, he was right and made the right choice heading to Dallas.

And I agree, Beeker was one of my favorites before, during, and after he was a Ranger.
 
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Fitzy said:
See- on the one hand having Barclay Goodrow as quite possibly our own Danault- playing the shutdown 3C role, would go a long way to combating concerns about Zibby and Strome's lack of grit and defense as the top two centers.

The problem with that is it leaves no place for Chytil except perhaps the wing. So again, as I've said before, if there is a future here for Strome, I think it is on the RW of Panarin's line. And I don't see NYR willing to offer what he is worth on the open market for him to play that role when they already cut loose Buchnevich.
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The problem is that means one of Kratsov or Kakko is not in the top 6.
I dont disagree and think that Strome might be a very good wing, but we have kids who seem like they have far more high end skill and need that time.
 
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McRanger92 said:
I would like to see Gallant try Panarin-Chytil-Strome as 2nd line. Keep the Panarin/Strome chemistry intact and let Filip get some run in the top 6
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I would love to see this, and think it could be really good for Chytil's development.
 
IDvsEGO said:
The problem is that means one of Kratsov or Kakko is not in the top 6.
I dont disagree and think that Strome might be a very good wing, but we have kids who seem like they have far more high end skill and need that time.
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Agreed. So I think if Chytil impresses this season it'll be Zibby-Chytil-Goodrow-Barron down the middle starting in 2022. That's actually a really balanced four.
 
Levitate said:
I mean what's your point herein the end? Are you advocating for keeping Strome and favoring him over players like Lafreniere? Or are you just trying to point out that Strome isn't as bad as some people think he is?

Strome's not bad, but...the team has to find a way to make guys like Lafreniere and Kakko the true core of the future of the Rangers, not keep them stuck behind players that probably will get moved soon one way or another
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My point is if Strome is on the team he should remain on PP1 and they should stick with the exact same unit that has been one of the best in the league until they are given reason to do anything different. That could be due to an injury, a prolonged lack of success, or anything else. I'm not really a Strome fan and don't like his lack of defense or excessive amount of penalties but I'm not going to just pull him off the top PP unit to force feed younger guys a spot there when those four forwards together have been the second best PP unit after the EDM trio. Those guys can still get some PP time on PP2 and will be the first to fill in on PP1 if a guy has to miss a shift for whatever reason. Their 5v5 play is way more important anyway. Who cares if Lafreniere/Kakko pad their numbers getting easy minutes on the PP? That doesn't make them better players. It just makes their numbers look better. The team is trying to compete for a playoff spot so I'm not about to do something that will probably make the team worse in the short term when I don't see it having a benefit in the long term either.
 
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Fitzy said:
The 90's Rangers, for me, are more a story of terrible trades and effort than terrible FA signings.

Zubov for Robitaille, Robitaille for Stevens

Savard for Hlavac

Kovalev for Nedved

These were all big losing trades.

Losing Verbeek after only one season sucked big time as well. I really liked him.
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Dont forget Sundstrom, Norstom or Laperriere. Ferraro would have been good depth to have in the 97 ECF.
 
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I could be completely wrong, but I get the sense that Goodrow has the makings of this teams 3RW or 5C where he can slide over and play in a pinch when needed. Most NHL teams would like the ability to have 5C's dressed for any game anyways and in general to have 5 quality NHL centers is a very nice luxury for a coach. I keep coming back to:

Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Kravtsov
Panarin-Chytil-Kaako
Kreider-Barron-Goodrow
Blais/Hunt-Rooney-Reaves/Hunt

But this assumes Strome is traded. Long term it gives the Rangers 5C's in the lineup pretty much every night and pairing Goodrow with Barron insulates him a bit both defensively and in the face-off dot.
 
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Who are our PK forwards?

Goodrow and Mika obviously. Rooney? Hunt? Chytil? Does Kakko get a look?
 
White Death 24 said:
From what I read, Verbeek didn't like the atmosphere in the locker room and felt the team was headed in the wrong direction. In hindsight, he was right and made the right choice heading to Dallas.

And I agree, Beeker was one of my favorites before, during, and after he was a Ranger.
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Do you remember the source for this? I always assumed it was contract considerations only.
 
NYR Viper said:
I could be completely wrong, but I get the sense that Goodrow has the makings of this teams 3RW or 5C where he can slide over and play in a pinch when needed. Most NHL teams would like the ability to have 5C's dressed for any game anyways and in general to have 5 quality NHL centers is a very nice luxury for a coach. I keep coming back to:

Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Kravtsov
Panarin-Chytil-Kaako
Kreider-Barron-Goodrow
Blais/Hunt-Rooney-Reaves/Hunt

But this assumes Strome is traded. Long term it gives the Rangers 5C's in the lineup pretty much every night and pairing Goodrow with Barron insulates him a bit both defensively and in the face-off dot.
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I see this as what they would like to happen. Chytil take the reigns allowing them to move Strome (and Barron or Goodrow take over 3C). If Chytil doesn't, see if a trade for a 2C mid-season develops otherwise self-rent Strome (unless we aren't in it) and figure it out in the offseason.
 
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