Speculation: Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXIV

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More Strome takes :popcorn:

Who's replacing his 49 points in 56 games right now? :laugh:

Unless we're going to get Eichel or to a lesser extent, Hertl, you're just spinning your wheels..
It’s not just about the points. Strome does more then fine in that regard. It’s everything else. Face offs, defense, taking spot away on 1PP. If strome were signed for 3 more years at 4-4.5 mill there would be an argument to even keep him. At the raise he’s going to want he’s just not in the teams plans. It’s pretty evident in them going after Danault and being tied to numerous other rumors with other centers. At this point he is also blocking chytil from a 2C spot to see if he can handle the role.
I think Gallant/drury would sacrifice some points for a harder to play against overall line. A line that doesn’t get exposed when the competition stiffens. Panarin is still gonna rack up points. Plus his time on the PP. but it’s more about giving that line a more defined role for the center position.
He’s Been a good band-aid here since he was acquired from EDM. But the time for the band-aid is coming to an end for the more permanent fix.
 
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The 1 year ask for Hertl on the main boards is silly
So Is the 2 year ask for Larkin. You would think he’s a bonafide PPG player, while playing solid D and a beast in every situation. I have no doubt he would help us going fwd, but Yikes
 
Nobody will ever say Strome is perfect, but as a 2nd line center he's more than capable. The desire some fans have to drive him out of town is baffling to me.
I think it’s two things: fans want the security of having their roster and favorite guys signed long-term. But Strome is a guy who isn’t in that long-term situation. (Approaching UFA and also not quite good enough to get signed longterm). Fans in general dislike those guys. ‘If he’s not gonna be here long-term, trade him for futures’ is the thinking. The front office can’t afford to think that way, of course.
 
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Listen, do I want Strome as our #2C going FWD?
Not necessarily BUT he has certainly held his own since he's been here and I will never get the bad wrap he's gotten on here.
He's actually an extremely smart player so unless you're getting a clear ""upgrade"" then you have to keep him.
Stop with the fantasy trade proposals already..
 
So Is the 2 year ask for Larkin. You would think he’s a bonafide PPG player, while playing solid D and a beast in every situation. I have no doubt he would help us going fwd, but Yikes

Trade i saw on CapFriendly this morning:

Larkin, Greiss
FOR
Chytil, Kravtsov, Robertson, Georgiev, Hajek, 2022 1st, 2022 2nd.

To which someone commented

"This is the kind of overpayment that would get us interested.

There are a few minor problems with what you're offering though. Hájek is not a good fit, we already have 8 defenders for the upcoming season, replace him with Karl Henriksson. Robertson is a LD and we already have a glut of prospects on LD, replace him with Nils Lundkvist.

If you do those two changes I'd be prepared to think long and hard about giving up Larkin."

I.e.
Larkin, Greiss
FOR
Chytil, Kravtsov, Lundkvist, Henriksson, Georgiev, 2022 1st, 2022 2nd.

like wtf
 
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Listen, do I want Strome as our #2C going FWD?
Not necessarily BUT he has certainly held his own since he's been here and I will never get the bad wrap he's gotten on here.
He's actually an extremely smart player so unless you're getting a clear ""upgrade"" then you have to keep him.
Stop with the fantasy trade proposals already..
I used to think he’s at best a good 3C but I now think he’s a bit better than that. Particularly on our team with some great wingers.
I’m fine with Strome as 2C - or ‘middle six C’ - but he’ll probably be priced out of our range after this year.
 
Trade i saw on CapFriendly this morning:

Larkin, Greiss
FOR
Chytil, Kravtsov, Robertson, Georgiev, Hajek, 2022 1st, 2022 2nd.

To which someone commented

"This is the kind of overpayment that would get us interested.

There are a few minor problems with what you're offering though. Hájek is not a good fit, we already have 8 defenders for the upcoming season, replace him with Karl Henriksson. Robertson is a LD and we already have a glut of prospects on LD, replace him with Nils Lundkvist.

If you do those two changes I'd be prepared to think long and hard about giving up Larkin."

I.e.
Larkin, Greiss
FOR
Chytil, Kravtsov, Lundkvist, Henriksson, Georgiev, 2022 1st, 2022 2nd.

like wtf
"This is an overpayment, but not enough of an overpayment to my liking"
 
Every season there's a new complaint about Strome

2018-19: His shooting percentage is too high
2019-20: He just benefits from playing with Panarin
2020-21: He only scores against bad teams

I wonder what it'll be this upcoming season.

Is effectively playing in all 3 zones as a Center should, a legitimate criticism?

Asking for a friend.
 
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I used to think he’s at best a good 3C but I now think he’s a bit better than that. Particularly on our team with some great wingers.
I’m fine with Strome as 2C - or ‘middle six C’ - but he’ll probably be priced out of our range after this year.

Ideally I'd like to see him as our #3C but he's really a very good player and like you mentioned, with the right wingers, maybe he exceeds expectations in a real system?
That is going to be the big difference this year, (a structured system)
Since he's bounced around the league a bit, maybe he'll sign for a reasonable contract?
I guess we'll find out..
 
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Strome is a limited player who has only really produced with Panarin.

he did so without him for 9 games this year too, but that’s 9 games (where he got lit up on the other side of the puck.) we have so much other data to go on there.

his usefulness is tied to an elite player. He provides little else otherwise.
 
Ideally I'd like to see him as our #3C but he's really a very good player and like you mentioned, with the right wingers, maybe he exceeds expectations in a real system?
That is going to be the big difference this year, (a structured system)
Since he's bounced around the league a bit, maybe he'll sign for a reasonable contract?
I guess we'll find out..
I agree. I think there’s a decent shot he takes a team-friendly deal to stay. Either, say, 2-3 years. Or longer but with substantially lower AAV.
 
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NHL - can’t move a player from wing to center. Way too difficult.

NFL - can take a player who had never played football in his life, start him, and watch him turn into a player worth 60M


Its nonsense, of course players can move to center from wing.
 
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Does anyone know whether Kravtsov is eligible for the Calder this season? Under regular circumstances 20 games wouldn't disqualify him from eligibility, but is it any different because it was 20 games in a shortened season?
I'm ready to bet my life savings on this
 
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I think the big thing against strome is that he's just not hard to play against in any way really

Panarin is crazy sneaky and skilled, Zibanejad is big and fast with a lethal shot, Strome is...pretty skilled but not scary so, doesn't skate really fast, doesn't dangle, is opportunistic but not super sneaky ninja style, and not physical at all.

I don't think it's a huge coincidence that his line gets shut down when other teams play them close. That's not ALL on him (Panarin can't keep expecting the pull up along the boards and hit the trailing player with a long cross ice pass to always work) but Strome kinda doesn't bring any extra sauce to the mix, he just kind of slots in.

And yeah the contract thing is another big one, if he was signed for a good deal for another 3 years then whatever. But he's not and the Rangers will have to be looking at ways to keep the production up and cost down on that 2C spot.

e: and that's all why people are more interested in seeing what Chytil might be able to do...he's younger, cheaper, bigger, faster, etc etc. You think "maybe he can be molded into a good 2C that we can sign for a good deal through his prime"
 
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I think the big thing against strome is that he's just not hard to play against in any way really

Panarin is crazy sneaky and skilled, Zibanejad is big and fast with a lethal shot, Strome is...pretty skilled but not scary so, doesn't skate really fast, doesn't dangle, is opportunistic but not super sneaky ninja style, and not physical at all.

I don't think it's a huge coincidence that his line gets shut down when other teams play them close. That's not ALL on him (Panarin can't keep expecting the pull up along the boards and hit the trailing player with a long cross ice pass to always work) but Strome kinda doesn't bring any extra sauce to the mix, he just kind of slots in.

And yeah the contract thing is another big one, if he was signed for a good deal for another 3 years then whatever. But he's not and the Rangers will have to be looking at ways to keep the production up and cost down on that 2C spot.
Nah, these are horrible reasons to not love Strome.

Clearly, everyone here that doesn’t like him is just motivated by personal animus, despite not knowing him personally.

That’s way more plausible.
 
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