Speculation: Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXIV

[Levitate]

B) The team is past the wait and see stage... they need to show something this season after having Panarin & Fox fall into their laps and winning 2 lotteries.

I mean, I think that's always what the plan was! The whole firing JD and Gorton with the premise "things were going too slow we need to be competitive now and are underachieving!" when it seems clear that Drury has just continued along with the same plan that JD and Gorton had (acquire more "toughness" to make the team harder to play against this offseason, try to shape the team into having a more defined identity, etc).
Though I do agree it was time for Quinn to go and I don't think Gorton was ready to move on that.

but...to me it really looks more like Dolan flipped out and acted impulsively after he went over JD and Gorton's head to post that letter to the NHL and they didn't agree with how it was done and then after that came a bunch of spin

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Regarding Lindgren

He checks off all the boxes of what the Rangers want MORE of.

Smart. Check
Can he skate. Check
Physical. Check. Check
Cheap contract. CHECK.

The Nemeth's and Tinordi's are bottom pair, extra defenders. Lindgren just played a season where his partner won a Norris. He was very instrumental in that accomplishment.

Trading him would fly in the face of everything this org just did this summer.

My personal opinion?

Would be a dumb f***ing move.

They're not trading Lindgren. Only way it even becomes a possibility is if someone is offering a huge overpay in a legit hockey trade.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Just listening to "Hey bro, what's your problem" on NHL XM...

The two answers were spot on...

A) The owner... fired his GM & President JD... "Who fires JD?? He was only there for a yr"

B) The team is past the wait and see stage... they need to show something this season after having Panarin & Fox fall into their laps and winning 2 lotteries.

This typically happens when your boss tells you to do something (in this case, fire Gorton) and you refuse to do it.

 

[rangers1314]

They're not trading Lindgren. Only way it even becomes a possibility is if someone is offering a huge overpay in a legit hockey trade.

They aren't trading him now, but what about 2 summers from now as he's going into the last year of his bridge deal?

I love the kid, but are we giving him a 5-6 year deal given the type of game he plays? Are we setting ourselves up for Girardi/Staal 2.0?

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

They aren't trading him now, but what about 2 summers from now as he's going into the last year of his bridge deal?

I love the kid, but are we giving him a 5-6 year deal given the type of game he plays? Are we setting ourselves up for Girardi/Staal 2.0?

Definitely possible, especially if Schneider, Robertson and Jones are all still here and ready to go.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

what time does prospects camp start?

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Just listening to "Hey bro, what's your problem" on NHL XM...

The two answers were spot on...

A) The owner... fired his GM & President JD... "Who fires JD?? He was only there for a yr"

B) The team is past the wait and see stage... they need to show something this season after having Panarin & Fox fall into their laps and winning 2 lotteries.

In response to B, that sounds exactly like something a fan of a rival team would say. First of all the letter about the impending rebuild went out approx 3.5 years ago, not a decade ago. They turned over their entire roster which takes time and were the youngest team in the league last year. They also didn't fall into Panarin, he was an FA and the last time I looked they were paying him over 11 mil per. Fox cost 2 2nds, obviously that was a wise trade, but I do recall at the time there were people bitching it was too high a price to pay. They got lucky in the lottery, good for them. They also haven't been bottom feeders the past 2 years. They did make the playin during Covid although they were swept. Last year they were in a tough division but still managed an above nhl record and positive GD. Everybody only remembers the last 6 games which were an unmitigated disaster, but they actually had more points then the Canadians and were middle of the pack in the league. The rebuild may be over but the build continues. The additions this offseason to make them tougher and balance the roster were sorely needed. Adding Lundkvist and hiring Gallant could be huge additions. In my eyes this is a playoff team and even if they don't make it in I won't be jumping off a ledge. Barron, Schneider, Robertson, Berard, and others still to come.

 

[cheech70]

what time does prospects camp start?

vince is there

 

[cheech70]

nothing today

 

[cheech70]

nothing today

 

[dangsLITE]

vince also just tweeted that today is just on-ice testing, no hockey...

maybe we'll get some feedback on how terrible of a skater othmann actually is!

 

[duhmetreE]

Thank you Vince. He's the only one that provides information.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

In response to B, that sounds exactly like something a fan of a rival team would say. First of all the letter about the impending rebuild went out approx 3.5 years ago, not a decade ago. They turned over their entire roster which takes time and were the youngest team in the league last year. They also didn't fall into Panarin, he was an FA and the last time I looked they were paying him over 11 mil per. Fox cost 2 2nds, obviously that was a wise trade, but I do recall at the time there were people bitching it was too high a price to pay. They got lucky in the lottery, good for them. They also haven't been bottom feeders the past 2 years. They did make the playin during Covid although they were swept. Last year they were in a tough division but still managed an above nhl record and positive GD. Everybody only remembers the last 6 games which were an unmitigated disaster, but they actually had more points then the Canadians and were middle of the pack in the league. The rebuild may be over but the build continues. The additions this offseason to make them tougher and balance the roster were sorely needed. Adding Lundkvist and hiring Gallant could be huge additions. In my eyes this is a playoff team and even if they don't make it in I won't be jumping off a ledge. Barron, Schneider, Robertson, Berard, and others still to come.

I actually don't disagree with point B as I felt that was the case with this team last year. Showing "something" doesn't mean that this team needs to go on a deep playoff run, but the listless play shown from this group last was a major step backwards. A lot of that IMO was on having a bench boss who couldn't keep things together and who the players eventually lost faith in along with all the off ice stuff that we don't even know half about, those things shouldn't be a concern this year. The injuries at the end of last season can be leaned on as a reason why they didn't eventually get into the playoffs, but they should have been in a spot before they all started to pile up, especially with the individual seasons we had from a handful of players.

That cannot happen again. They made pretty big changes, from the FO to the roster so if they go through the same shit again, all that means is they got rid of the wrong guys (or not enough of the right guys.)

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Ryan Reaves thread is locked so here ya go. Pound for Pound podcast with John Scott featuring Ryan Reaves.

Edit note: This video was posted on September 3rd of this year but appears to have been taped awhile back.
John Scott in this podcast states that the two tough players in the league he respects are Ryan Reaves and TW. On Twitter Scott went off on Wilson saying he “crossed the line” also saying the Buchnevich/Panarin incident was “gutless.

 

[TheDirtyH]

If we’re resigning Zibanejad and Fox this off-season, I said it months ago but Lindgren looks like the obvious candidate to get moved to clear some space.

 

[LORDE]

In response to B, that sounds exactly like something a fan of a rival team would say. First of all the letter about the impending rebuild went out approx 3.5 years ago, not a decade ago. They turned over their entire roster which takes time and were the youngest team in the league last year. They also didn't fall into Panarin, he was an FA and the last time I looked they were paying him over 11 mil per. Fox cost 2 2nds, obviously that was a wise trade, but I do recall at the time there were people bitching it was too high a price to pay. They got lucky in the lottery, good for them. They also haven't been bottom feeders the past 2 years. They did make the playin during Covid although they were swept. Last year they were in a tough division but still managed an above nhl record and positive GD. Everybody only remembers the last 6 games which were an unmitigated disaster, but they actually had more points then the Canadians and were middle of the pack in the league. The rebuild may be over but the build continues. The additions this offseason to make them tougher and balance the roster were sorely needed. Adding Lundkvist and hiring Gallant could be huge additions. In my eyes this is a playoff team and even if they don't make it in I won't be jumping off a ledge. Barron, Schneider, Robertson, Berard, and others still to come.

I agree... they need to make some noise this season. Win it all? Never said that, but I think it'd be disappointing to not make the playoffs

 

[The Crypto Guy]

If we’re resigning Zibanejad and Fox this off-season, I said it months ago but Lindgren looks like the obvious candidate to get moved to clear some space.

What? Lindgren is not going anywhere. He’s literally the definition of the exact player we were looking for all off season. And he doesn’t even have a big cap hit and likely never will.

Lindgren is the type of player you win cups with, not trade to shed a couple million in salary.

 

[TheDirtyH]

What? Lindgren is not going anywhere. He’s literally the definition of the exact player we were looking for all off season. And he doesn’t even have a big cap hit and likely never will.

Lindgren is the type of player you win cups with, not trade to shed a couple million in salary.

lindgren is a valuable player on an even more valuable contract. He’s eminently movable and plays a position where we have potentially the strongest depth in the org. If we have 2 $9-11m contracts to be signed, he will likely be the player we have to lose in order to get them inked.

 

[I Eat Crow]

I unfortunatly do not think Lindgren makes it outta next offseason as a NYR. Likely a cap casualty. Which would suck

Not a chance unless Robertson blows off the doors in training camp and beats out both Nemeth and one of Lindgren or K'Andre for a spot outright. The Rangers will make cuts elsewhere if you're just speculating.

If this is based off something you heard, I'm more concerned about the front office's approach to roster building. Lindgren is literally the type of player that they want to have more of, not less of.

 

[haveandare]

Lindgren compliments Fox as a formidable top pairing and he does that cheap. He’d be a strange choice for a cap casualty imo

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

If the Rangers need to cut costs, they'll visit other avenues before moving Lindgren.

 

[Fitzy]

The Lindgren contract was designed so that NYR make the choice 3 seasons from now about extending him or dealing him whilst he still has RFA protection.

There are more efficient ways to cut costs without ditching a top 4 defenseman on a great AAV.

3 years from now we will know Lindgren's injury mileage as well as a lot more about Miller, Robertson, Jones. That IMO is when the decision will be made.

 

[bl02]

When we need more players like Lindgren we are already talking about moving him. Guys like him don't grow on trees because it's not easy to play like he plays. at least for the next 3 years he needs to stay a Ranger. I am in the minority but I don't think Fox is as comfortable without Lindgren by his side.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Who is talking about trading Lindgren??? Wtf

BBKers in is senile old age. Hes starting to lose his marbles

 

[duhmetreE]

If we’re resigning Zibanejad and Fox this off-season, I said it months ago but Lindgren looks like the obvious candidate to get moved to clear some space.

yeah, I don't see this at all.