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Yeah, I bet the underdog Team Canada couldn't have done that without VlasicHe won Olympic Gold with Canada in 2014
Yeah, I bet the underdog Team Canada couldn't have done that without VlasicHe won Olympic Gold with Canada in 2014
Look, no offense but if Slavin is the best defenseman you’ve ever seen play you should watch some more hockey.I am biased but I'd rank Slavin better. He is the best defensemen I have ever seen play. He is the best defenseman in the world if comparing just in terms of defensive ability. Offensively, he usually ranks around 20-30th amongst defensemen in even strength points but he has virtually no power play time, so that gets held against him. He is the human eraser, the equivalent of having a Revis island when he is on the ice (though less apt a comparison due to the free flowing nature of hockey vs the more positionally static football).
Yeah, that was the point of me mentioning it.Yeah, I bet the underdog Team Canada couldn't have done that without Vlasic
Good thing they had Vlasic..
Yeah, that was the point of me mentioning it.
More to the point, the Vlasic-Doughty pairing shut down the best hockey players in the world. He was actually quite important to that team.
What exactly is your point beyond incoherent rambling?Good thing they had Vlasic.
Because of their notorious depth issues, Canada's 2nd pairing actually their first but whatever was 3rd pair on dead last in NHL Predators Shea Weber, and AHL super star Duncan Keith
Their third pair was someone they found working at Tim Horton's, and a curler who had never played hockey before
I have no doubt that Vlasic was a great defensive defenseman. As a Canes fan, I know that Jaccob Slavin is a great defensive defenseman. So who was the better defenseman overall. But let's put a little statistics out there for y'all's perusal. Let's compare the 1st 9 years of each of their careers:
Vlasic
+/- = +110
Points = 187
PIM = 265
Points per season avg. = 20.7
Playoff Pts. (career) = 39 (142 games)
Playoff Pts. (1st 9 seasons) = 14 (79 games)
Playoff PIM = 18
Slavin
+/- = +151
Points = 272
PIM = 86
Points per season avg. = 30.2
Playoff Pts. (71 games) = 36
Playoff PIM - 10
While none of those statistics tells the whole story (and yes +/- is a shit statistic, but it's a way to compare apples to apples, sort of), Slavin has a better +/- and took less than 1/3 of the penalty minutes.
From an overall defenseman standpoint, Slavin put up more points, put up more playoff points, took less playoff penalties, all the while averaging almost 10 points more per season. Vlasic had 3 seasons of 30 point or more his entire career. Slavin's scored 30 or more points 6 times.
But I'll let everyone else be the judge....
So just to be clear, you’re using points, plus-minus, and penalty minutes to judge who is better between Vlasic and Slavin?I have no doubt that Vlasic was a great defensive defenseman. As a Canes fan, I know that Jaccob Slavin is a great defensive defenseman. So who was the better defenseman overall. But let's put a little statistics out there for y'all's perusal. Let's compare the 1st 9 years of each of their careers:
Vlasic
+/- = +110
Points = 187
PIM = 265
Points per season avg. = 20.7
Playoff Pts. (career) = 39 (142 games)
Playoff Pts. (1st 9 seasons) = 14 (79 games)
Playoff PIM = 18
Slavin
+/- = +151
Points = 272
PIM = 86
Points per season avg. = 30.2
Playoff Pts. (71 games) = 36
Playoff PIM - 10
While none of those statistics tells the whole story (and yes +/- is a shit statistic, but it's a way to compare apples to apples, sort of), Slavin has a better +/- and took less than 1/3 of the penalty minutes.
From an overall defenseman standpoint, Slavin put up more points, put up more playoff points, took less playoff penalties, all the while averaging almost 10 points more per season. Vlasic had 3 seasons of 30 point or more his entire career. Slavin's scored 30 or more points 6 times.
But I'll let everyone else be the judge....
Your post on why Vlasic was better than Slavin was literally the equivalent of “trust me bro”.So just to be clear, you’re using points, plus-minus, and penalty minutes to judge who is better between Vlasic and Slavin?
You stated that Vlasic was good for 30 points a season. He did that 3 times over his career. You brought up points.So just to be clear, you’re using points, plus-minus, and penalty minutes to judge who is better between Vlasic and Slavin?
I pull this up and watch it a few times every offseason to get myself hyped up for watching Canes hockey again.I’ve never found good defense highlight worthy, but Slavin especially should have a highlight reel YouTube video dedicated to humiliating escape moves attached to second and third escape moves into a perfect 60 ft breakout pass over and over again. He made watching good defense fun.
One defensive situation where they should be somewhat comparable is short-handed. In that situation, a D-man's goal is not to move the puck, but to defend.Just because they are two "defensive" defensemen, doesn't 't mean they are completely comparable.
Comparing career numbers isn't meaningful as:One defensive situation where they should be somewhat comparable is short-handed. In that situation, a D-man's goal is not to move the puck, but to defend.
Vlasic was on ice for 7.1 goals per 60 minutes short-handed.
Slavin has been on ice for 7.3 goals per 60 minutes short-handed.
So, perhaps, as "defensive" defenders, they are pretty close.
Opinion, not fact.I am biased but I'd rank Slavin better. He is the best defensemen I have ever seen play. He is the best defenseman in the world if comparing just in terms of defensive ability. Offensively, he usually ranks around 20-30th amongst defensemen in even strength points but he has virtually no power play time, so that gets held against him. He is the human eraser, the equivalent of having a Revis island when he is on the ice (though less apt a comparison due to the free flowing nature of hockey vs the more positionally static football).
As a Canes fan, it is surprising you buy the trope that Ward was really bad. Especially when Carolina was on the PK.2) GA/60 are heavily dependent upon other factors. Early in his career, Carolina had absolutely shitty goaltending (Ward, Lack, Darling).
I pull this up and watch it a few times every offseason to get myself hyped up for watching Canes hockey again.
C-Team in High School, apparently. So yes, but never seriously.Watching his hand eye and the thread about Tom Glavine made me wonder if Slavin ever played baseball.
I forgot about that article. Fun to read. I’ve spent a decent amount of time in Erie over my 25 years here and he’s right. It was a dirt road off the highway and now it’s got everything with a downtown street full of breweries and coffee shops. I used to be involved in the environmental world back when that area was starting to get developed, mind blowing to see it now.C-Team in High School, apparently. So yes, but never seriously.
Carolina aims to not have a bad contract on their books due to a player aging. They've dealt for guys in their 30's who don't have much term left or at least are playing well enough to warrant the cap hit, like Patches and Burns.In principle I get the why of it but at the same time it severely limits them like now losing Jake who played at an elite level.
The canes have made the playoffs for what 8 years in a row? Yet they've underachieved at best to downright failing depending on expectations.
Maybe it's not related or maybe if they were a little more flexible, towards older players things would be different.
Is this another example of anylytics saying older player bad? Cuz if that's why they have this approach it's a really dumb reason since anylytics can't measure or predict heart and intangibles like grit.