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Should we strongly consider Trading W. Nylander while his value is high?

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Should we strongly consider Trading W. Nylander while his value is high?

  • yes

    Votes: 130 61.0%

  • no

    Votes: 83 39.0%
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acrobaticgoalie said:
The coyotes can't even pay their rent. Where are they going to come up with 13M per year to pay to one player?

That franchise has struggled with ownership and arena issues for 25 yrs and will be a basement dweller as long as they continue to have financial issues. Unless he doesn't give a shit about winning a cup or securing a big payday, I can't see him going there.
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Bettman and the NHL want Arizona to succeed financially. I bet it happens.
 
Its impossible to ice a proper roster with the current top four. I would much rather trade Tavares and build a second line around Nylander but its unlikely he waives his NMC and/or anyone takes on that 11m monstrosity. Nylander is the next obvious choice.

Nylander $6,962,366
Kerfoot $3,500,000
Mrázek $3,800,000
$14,262,366
 
SoftDumpNtheCorner88 said:
This.

I don't see us trading Matthews and marner , and there are no takers for JT... So it comes down to Nylander and he'd be expecting a raise.... So what I'm saying is he is more valuable in a trade than Marner might be... Nylander has a tradable contract... So what's the value of 2 years of prime Nylander at a decent cap it??

Are we going to keep Nylander as our own rental? How has that worked out for us? How has any of our own rentals worked out for us? We need to try something new and let Nylander shine elsewhere and cash in... But only if a team is willing to over pay, and 2 years of a prime PPG player SHOULD net us a huge return. If the return isnt HUGE, we keep him and hope he tries to be more of a playoff type player.
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Nylander's next contract will still likely end up with a contract aav of at least 1 mil less than 11 mil. Likely much less.

He can always be re-signed.
 
Ports said:
The Coyotes are not the Leafs. No arena. Terrible ownership. Not a hockey market. No offense. The team might be moved in the next few years.
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JT is also the only guy in the cap era of his caliber to leave the team that drafted him in his athletic prime (was 27) entirely on his own volition with no outside influence.

Chara left the Sens because they were capped out and had to pick between him or Wade Redden.

People conveniently forget how rare and uncommon it is for star hockey players to leave situations they're comfortable in. This isn't the NBA guys. This goes for McDavid as well. The Oilers could be in last when his deal is up and there's still a greater than 50% chance he signs with them again.
 
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Dubas should call Pens and ask for Sid. Sid for Marner or Willie or JT, pick one and we get a deal.
 
JT choose the Leafs because he wants to come home, but also bc he believes Leafs is closer to winning a Cup than Islanders at that time. You look at the roster at that time, the Leafs got Andersen in net, Reilly in the back plus AM, MM, Willie, Kap, AJ, Kadri and Marleau up front and then you look at who the Islanders had. The decision was pretty simple.
Look at LA and Yokes. I just don't see they have anyone or build better than the Leafs in 2 years time. Those two teams don't have anyone close to Reilly or Marner. Then you add in Willie. NY would be interesting as they do have pieces like Fox and Shesterkin plus Panarin, they could also move guys around to add 13-14mil, but would they do it. Signing AM means taking away Zibe and Kreider or any combination of two 6-7mil players.
AM knows Toronto is the Mecca of Hockey and unless Leafs just completely tank and seem clueless in the next year or two, I doubt he would be leaving. Even if he does leave, it doesnt mean the end of the World, as McD might come home and pulls a JT, but this time he will bring his German buddy with him.
 
CapspaceKiller said:
Yes, he's a very good player on an excellent contract, but he has to go. I love his effort offensively. He works hard for the puck, he goes to the net with reckless abandon, but the team needs a power forward that can play the dump and chase style with Tavares. I'm not a Nylander hater, he's a very good player who is over-criticized by this fanbase, but his style is not conducive to winning given what's on the rest of the team. Trade him now, for a bigger, simpler player that fits with Tavares.
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Is that really the way to go? Trade a young dynamic player for somone not as good, just to continue to bolster a fading player, solely because he's overpaid and untradable?

I'd rather move Nylander to 2C and Tavares to 3W, to better utilize their talents.
 
Lightsol said:
I haven't understood the love affair for Nylander for a while. When he's invested, he's a great player, but when he's uninterested, the only time he actually puts effort in is when he thinks he can score. The poster that said he's like Kessel is dead on.

But it's clear that a handful of posters here are using what I like to call the Matt Stajan measuring stick; "He skates a lot, so he must be doing stuff!"
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Actually, I think Tavares is more like Kessel. Badly miscast as the 'star' player, and more effective after being traded to a team where he's property used as a second or third liner, and probably the fourth-best player on the PP.
 
Ports said:
I’m convinced the Nylander fan club loved Kessel too while anybody who played the game knows how they can’t be your key players because they are one dimensional and afraid of contact.
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I loved Kessel. I like Nylander as a player... Just not what we need to push us through the play offs ( which is our only obstacle in our way) Kessel turned into a different player come play offs.. almost like he's lazy on purpose through the season but puts up goals and points but then plays hard when play offs come.. his intensity level raises and it's noticeable. Nylander doesn't do this... If anything the higher the intensity of the game (mostly physical) he shys away.

So the real question I ask is can the leafs make the play offs without Nylander? He makes us a better team in the regular season but I still see us making it without him.. which is why I don't mind seeing a NICE return and maybe use the money to bring in a guy who can be close to Nylander in production but bring an edge and fighting spirit in the play offs along with picks and prospects. I just don't see him changing in the next 2 years with us, so let teams know he's available for the right price and let a team over pay. Imagine getting a solid youngish Dman, 1st, a prospect and maybe a solid bottom 6 playoff performer as an offer in a deal with Nylander... I think I take that. Knowing Nylander will probably be a PPG 1st line winger on another team mind you.

Our window is now, why not make our team harder to play against in the play offs while stocking up prospect chips at the same time? You gotta give to get.
 
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Ports said:
Marner is a much more complete player than Nylander and given Nylander’s size and strength advantage that should not be the case.. If Nylander had Marner’s heart, he would be the best player on the team. Having said that, Marner is a $9M player not $10.8.
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That's all irrelevant considering William makes only 6.9, which is a steal.
 
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robertmac43 said:
I don't understand the Marner hate in this thread. Guy had a great season and I thought played well in the playoffs.
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Its 2% Marner hate and 98% Nylander , i dont understand the whole 100% of it.

Yeah Marner should have had more then 0 shots on goal. But still not enough reason for the hate.
 
saffronleaf said:
the way things are going though being associated with this franchise makes you a failure and clown like the franchise itself.

i wonder how many more first round exits he'll be comfortable with. 4? That'll bring it up to 10 first round exits, even.
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Tbf hes a huge part of those exits. You want max money so your team can't sign good depth? No problem. You better f***ing deliver. And delivering means winning series not being ppg+

I have no issues with how he played but it's on him Mitch and jt the most. The guys with the contracts that don't allow us to sign depth. A lot of that is also on dubas. We can't go get the Nick Paul's Nd what not because he couldn't negotiate.
 
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SoftDumpNtheCorner88 said:
I loved Kessel. I like Nylander as a player... Just not what we need to push us through the play offs ( which is our only obstacle in our way) Kessel turned into a different player come play offs.. almost like he's lazy on purpose through the season but puts up goals and points but then plays hard when play offs come.. his intensity level raises and it's noticeable. Nylander doesn't do this... If anything the higher the intensity of the game (mostly physical) he shys away.

So the real question I ask is can the leafs make the play offs without Nylander? He makes us a better team in the regular season but I still see us making it without him.. which is why I don't mind seeing a NICE return and maybe use the money to bring in a guy who can be close to Nylander in production but bring an edge and fighting spirit in the play offs along with picks and prospects. I just don't see him changing in the next 2 years with us, so let teams know he's available for the right price and let a team over pay. Imagine getting a solid youngish Dman, 1st, a prospect and maybe a solid bottom 6 playoff performer as an offer in a deal with Nylander... I think I take that. Knowing Nylander will probably be a PPG 1st line winger on another team mind you.

Our window is now, why not make our team harder to play against in the play offs while stocking up prospect chips at the same time? You gotta give to get.
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He played at par with our 11mill players this year, better then them last year. Yet he needs to step up?...
If the 11mill players had stepped up a gear higher then Nylander, this series would have been won easy. If they had played as good as in the regular season, but in a playoff enviorment. Then marner would have around 3goals 11 points, Matthews around 13 , 6-7 goals . Nylander if he played like in the regular season would probably have 6points 2-3 goals. Tavares also around 6 and 2 goals. so based on regular season Tavares and Nylander did ok.

If we know we have a weaker goalie, the offence need to step up. They did not.

Nylander is underrated when it comes to offensive smarts. He often stands, or sneaks , or strides, perfectly to pot one in. If only the players around him had a higher hockey IQ he could have won this series for us.
 
Nylander and Panarin are almost point twins .
Apart from 1 otg 1 gwg and 4 more minutes toi.
Maby those 4minutes was what Nylander needed to get the otg and gwg.
 
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