Should we strongly consider Trading W. Nylander while his value is high?

[notDatsyuk]

To answer the OP, sure we should consider trading him while his value is high.

Thd good news is that, unlike a Captain I won't name, his value will probably be as high if not higher five years from now, so there's no rush.

 

[WF19]

Agreed. Nylander should only be moved for elite returns.

Wings fan here in peace, I read an article today about why a Leafs and Wings trade makes sense. In a deal for Tyler Bertuzzi who has 2 years left at 4.75 Dubas has called about him before and his is coming off a career year with 30 goals and 65 points in 68 games and the guy has been our clutch player. Now to the Wings in William Nylander, coveted player for the Leafs for sure but their most movable asset as well as taking Peter Mrazek off their hands.

With this move the Leafs add a player that they covet (Bert is the definition of a fearless gritty player) who has 2 years left on his deal as well, they shed 7 or 8 million off their cap and clearly they want to move from Mrazek when he will be a tough move. Also adds alittle more flexibility when it comes to signing Matthews next season. As a Wings fan i really don't want to lose Bert but it's hard to tell if he just wants to cash in or if he just wants to Win? I can actually see him being a piece that would put you guys over they top. To have him and Bunting for Matthews and Marner would hard to play against. We are still rebuilding and Nylander would be a nice fit in Detroit with all the fellow Swedes.

What do you say Leaf fans? Not a thread to bash the Leafs something I came across and seeing what you guys think? As a Wings fan i'd be okay with it. Taking on a lot of salary but we would get Nylander and Mrazek came from here, played with Ned and we ned a backup for a few season until Cossa is ready. This is the test for Dubas that's clear. He shown he has appeal in getting players but now can he makes some challenging smart moves to manage his cap better? It would be smart to make deals to shed some salary so they don't blow their window plus you have a few good prospects that are gonna fight for spots too. Also as a gm you gotta know when its time to make changes until of just letting guys walk into free agency.

You guys get a higher end player arguably the Wings top forward and save roughly 3 mill from Nylander and dutch Mrazek's contract to be able to sign a #1 goalie and get defense help

 

[ACC1224]

Wings fan here in peace, I read an article today about why a Leafs and Wings trade makes sense. In a deal for Tyler Bertuzzi who has 2 years left at 4.75 Dubas has called about him before and his is coming off a career year with 30 goals and 65 points in 68 games and the guy has been our clutch player. Now to the Wings in William Nylander, coveted player for the Leafs for sure but their most movable asset as well as taking Peter Mrazek off their hands.

With this move the Leafs add a player that they covet (Bert is the definition of a fearless gritty player) who has 2 years left on his deal as well, they shed 7 or 8 million off their cap and clearly they want to move from Mrazek when he will be a tough move. Also adds alittle more flexibility when it comes to signing Matthews next season. As a Wings fan i really don't want to lose Bert but it's hard to tell if he just wants to cash in or if he just wants to Win? I can actually see him being a piece that would put you guys over they top. To have him and Bunting for Matthews and Marner would hard to play against. We are still rebuilding and Nylander would be a nice fit in Detroit with all the fellow Swedes.

What do you say Leaf fans? Not a thread to bash the Leafs something I came across and seeing what you guys think? As a Wings fan i'd be okay with it. Taking on a lot of salary but we would get Nylander and Mrazek came from here, played with Ned and we ned a backup for a few season until Cossa is ready. This is the test for Dubas that's clear. He shown he has appeal in getting players but now can he makes some challenging smart moves to manage his cap better? It would be smart to make deals to shed some salary so they don't blow their window plus you have a few good prospects that are gonna fight for spots too. Also as a gm you gotta know when its time to make changes until of just letting guys walk into free agency.

You guys get a higher end player arguably the Wings top forward and save roughly 3 mill from Nylander and dutch Mrazek's contract to be able to sign a #1 goalie and get defense help

Isnt Betuzzi afraid of the jab?
Don’t think he’s allowed here.

 

[ER89]

Chychrun and Crouse for Willy?

I’m not as concerned about getting a more defensively responsible replacement for Willy. I’m looking for players that will give us that playoff warrior mentality.

I mean sure if we had to I guess but i wouldn't be stoked about it and would be upset. Because what is more of a playoff mentality? To produce or to hit more. I lean towards a forward putting up points in the toughest situations. To me, that iS playoff mentality. Plus the kids like 26. You don't want to see his final form in Toronto?

 

[KTG]

Watching the Flames / Oilers last night I thought about when Calgary traded Hamilton to the Canes for Lindholm and Hannifin. The Leafs need to pull that kind of move to create more depth because they aren't moving any of the big three contracts. Nylander is the guy, and rightly so because that second line needs to be built around a more effective identify for Tavares to work. You can't have a 7 mil guy on your third line. Here's the framework I considered.

Nylander + Holl + other pieces (Leafs 1st/prospect) for Konecny + 5th overall + Frost

Philly has too many vets to not be going for it now. This gives them some offence to complement their defensive sided team and a RD for their third pair. The Leafs get a RW to play with Tavares who had a down year, but can produce and makes only 5.5 mil for a year longer than Nylander. Konecny isn't super physical but at least he can throw a hit. They also get rid of Holl's 2 mil, and can draft a high level prospect and slide Frost in as C either on the third or fourth line. Then you find a LW for that 2nd line, maybe go for Crouse on a deal around Robertson.

Crouse - Tavares - Konecny is not a bad looking 2nd line, and would produce.

 

[Menzinger]

We simply have too many of the same type of player. It's not that Willy isn't good enough or has a bad contract...it's the fact that he is the only one you can move right now. He will not re-sign here...that part is a given. So if you think you can recoup something for him now when he is at his most valuable...you just do it.

Based on what?

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Based on what?

The fact that he was the only player to leave money on the table and the others didn't (at the time). He will want full value on his next deal and we can't afford it. AM will be a UFA at the same time and will get a raise ....there won't be any money left for him.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

We might have been, but that’s a different discussion.

When Tampa needed to lock it down, you saw what really good defensive structure and commitment looks like.

We are allergic to blocking shots and yet we think our team wants it....sigh... They think they want it but their actions show they kinda want it. Until you get players who have high compete instead of just high hockey IQ, we will be singing the same song again next year. It's about commitment and we just don't have 100% buy in on it. Is it the coach? Is it the Core? I don't know.

 

[nuck]

Based on what?

I don't know for sure but if he thought he was a $7.5M player a few years ago what does he think in 2024? I am guessing $9Mish and they have to re-sign AM the same year and Mitch the next on a cap that might be $2-$3M more than today. He didn't take a team discount before and he won't be RFA so it could get ugly.

 

[GoBuds14]

Marner had one more point in the playoffs than William for four million dollars more. Yes he pks. But if you want 10.9 you better be outscoring the 6.9 player by quite a bit. William and Mitch were comparable this playoffs and willy was much much much much better last playoffs. So yes, when it matters the most they're in the same exact level and when you include contracts i know who I'd rather have in the post season.

I think Marner brings more to the game than Nylander to be honest, Marner’s defensive ability/PK’ing is the difference. Is it a 4 million difference? Not so sure, but I’d argue all day that his impact exceeds Nylanders reg season or playoffs (this year)

 

[keonsbitterness]

Isnt Betuzzi afraid of the jab?
Don’t think he’s allowed here.

If current trends continue, that restriction could be lifted soon.

 

[ER89]

I think Marner brings more to the game than Nylander to be honest, Marner’s defensive ability/PK’ing is the difference. Is it a 4 million difference? Not so sure, but I’d argue all day that his impact exceeds Nylanders reg season or playoffs (this year)

Sure it does. But not 4m worth. And that's the issue. I thought Mitch was good this playoffs too but the pk was ass. In all William and Mitch were fairly even. If you want to say Mitch was better, sure but not by a huge margin and certainly not by 4m.

At the end of the day in the playoffs Williams cap hit is even more valuable because he produces like a superstar. Matthews jt and marner need to be a whole lot more than ppg to validate their cap hit. At the end of the day it's another game seven where we couldn't score.

 

[ULF_55]

See if the improving Sens will give their 7th. overall for him (maybe +/- assets).
Trade Kerfoot for a 2nd./3rd. round pick.

Then use the cap space to get some better 3rd. liners.

Rackell and Copp maybe?

 

[Menzinger]

The fact that he was the only player to leave money on the table and the others didn't (at the time). He will want full value on his next deal and we can't afford it. AM will be a UFA at the same time and will get a raise ....there won't be any money left for him.

He'll certainly be in line for a raise. But lots can change over the next two years - the teams open cap space can fluctuate a lot in that time then the leagues cap is also expected to take a decent jump in 2024.

Not that it's a given they re-sign him (or Matthews/Marner for that matter), but nothing is ultimately set in stone just yet.

I don't know for sure but if he thought he was a $7.5M player a few years ago what does he think in 2024? I am guessing $9Mish and they have to re-sign AM the same year and Mitch the next on a cap that might be $2-$3M more than today. He didn't take a team discount before and he won't be RFA so it could get ugly.

His next contract likely is in the 8-10 mil range. With the Leafs being able to offer the 8th year to lower the aav vs free agent suitors. Ultimately finding a couple extra million for him if need (should the team want to) likely won't be that hard.

 

[notDatsyuk]

See if the improving Sens will give their 7th. overall for him (maybe +/- assets).
Trade Kerfoot for a 2nd./3rd. round pick.

Then use the cap space to get some better 3rd. liners.

Rackell and Copp maybe?

Trade one of the best forwards in the league (30th in scoring last year) for a single pick?

Except for how cheap they are, Ottawa would jump at that steal.

If you hate him so much you'll give him away, at least give him to a Western Conference team.

 

[ULF_55]

Trade one of the best forwards in the league (30th in scoring last year) for a single pick?

Except for how cheap they are, Ottawa would jump at that steal.

If you hate him so much you'll give him away, at least give him to a Western Conference team.

I like Nylander and would enjoy seeing him play in Toronto more often.

How about this one:

Nylander, Kerfoot and conditional 1st. (condition Leafs make 3rd. round)
for
Tuch and Okposo

 

[Stephen]

I like Nylander and would enjoy seeing him play in Toronto more often.

How about this one:

Nylander, Kerfoot and conditional 1st. (condition Leafs make 3rd. round)
for
Tuch and Okposo

I love Alex Tuch as a player and that's a type we need but I would hesitate to do Nylander for Tuch 1 for 1 let alone add this and that.

 

[ToneDog]

I like Nylander and would enjoy seeing him play in Toronto more often.

How about this one:

Nylander, Kerfoot and conditional 1st. (condition Leafs make 3rd. round)
for
Tuch and Okposo

Looks like another Kadri return. Tuch and Power or Dahlin and a cap dump to get it done.

 

[ULF_55]

Looks like another Kadri return. Tuch and Power or Dahlin and a cap dump to get it done.

Obviously, I'd love to see Nylander and Tuch on the same line, two players who can fly.

Even with Kampf as their center I think they'd be dynamic.

 

[BigBlu]

Strenuously object, is that it?

I object. Overruled. I strenuously object.
Oh well, then.....
It's a difference between paper law and trial law.
Hell you even had the judge calling him an expert.






I'm going by memory here, so sue me if it's even a little wrong

"Galactically" awesome post!

 

[notDatsyuk]

I like Nylander and would enjoy seeing him play in Toronto more often.

How about this one:

Nylander, Kerfoot and conditional 1st. (condition Leafs make 3rd. round)
for
Tuch and Okposo

Certainly a lot better, but I'd still make a hard pass.

Obviously, I'd love to see Nylander and Tuch on the same line, two players who can fly.

Even with Kampf as their center I think they'd be dynamic.

Unfortunately the suggestion was trading Nylander for Tuch.

 

[ULF_55]

Certainly a lot better, but I'd still make a hard pass.


Unfortunately the suggestion was trading Nylander for Tuch.

Yeah Leafs don't have many assets worthy of Tuch.
Is Buffalo close enough to home for Tavares to waive?

 

[Drytoast]

Yup. After watching him pull up on a 50/50 puck because he's afraid to get hit...we don't need that. Marner was throwing his weight around ffs. Willie needs to go. The compete is just not there.

 

[ULF_55]

Yup. After watching him pull up on a 50/50 puck because he's afraid to get hit...we don't need that. Marner was throwing his weight around ffs. Willie needs to go. The compete is just not there.

Smarter not harder.

The strategy was to get the puck not be driven into the boards. He almost stripped the puck but was double teamed.

ROI.

 

[Drytoast]

Smarter not harder.

The strategy was to get the puck not be driven into the boards. He almost stripped the puck but was double teamed.

ROI.

We don't need that in the playoffs. We need "go into the gd corner...take the hit and fight for the puck"