Should we strongly consider Trading W. Nylander while his value is high?

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Should we strongly consider Trading W. Nylander while his value is high?

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    Votes: 130 61.0%
  • no

    Votes: 83 39.0%

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Nylander was our worst player in GA/60 and +G/60 during the regular season, meaning he could not outscore his deficiencies.

I have been strongly against moving Nylander since day 1, but I think this is the year I finally join the boomers. I really did think that a strong, puck possesion offence would mean we are better defensively by default, but Nylander & Tavares were completely caved in for most of the season when together.

You can't have two guys that highly paid being buried 5v5. You just can't, the investment requires them to be a net positive nightly.


It's easy to look at our D or G and point fingers, but these guys had easier starts than half the team and still got caved in most nights. Matthews' line played in front of the same D and G, and also had tough matchups, and performed so much better.
 
Nylander was our worst player in GA/60 and +G/60 during the regular season, meaning he could not outscore his deficiencies.

I have been strongly against moving Nylander since day 1, but I think this is the year I finally join the boomers. I really did think that a strong, puck possesion offence would mean we are better defensively by default, but Nylander & Tavares were completely caved in for most of the season when together.

You can't have two guys that highly paid being buried 5v5. You just can't, the investment requires them to be a net positive nightly.


It's easy to look at our D or G and point fingers, but these guys had easier starts than half the team and still got caved in most nights. Matthews' line played in front of the same D and G, and also had tough matchups, and performed so much better.
When together... Seems like a coachning problem.

"Ok these guys dont gel at all, Lets stick with that forever"

Move Tavares to first line. Let Nylander dictate the second line. Problem solved.
 
When together... Seems like a coachning problem.

"Ok these guys dont gel at all, Lets stick with that forever"

Move Tavares to first line. Let Nylander dictate the second line. Problem solved.

I actually think a line of Tavares - Matthews - Marner would work.

It would seriously remove most of our depth from the other lines though.
However, I thought Tavares and Nylander on 2nd and 3rd lines were really wasteful so it's not that we'd be losing a whole lot.
 
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Earlier this week I posted a thread that focused on a roster with the same core and some re-tooling. With many looking for the core to be shaken up, here is an alternative proposal, featuring a William Nylander, trade, and a different direction in goal. Everyone's thoughts are welcome.

Trades

1. William Nylander and Justin Holl traded to Detroit, for Tyler Bertuzzi, Simon Edvisson and a draft pick. Detroit gets a high end forward in Nylander that it deeply wants, at an affordable price tag and a defenseman that will surely slot into their top 6. Toronto gets a top 6 forward in return, who arguably makes the Leafs harder to play against in the playoffs, while saving the team money, as well as a blue chip defensive prospect, slated to play early, taken #6 overall last year. Get the vaccination thing sorted out with Bertuzzi and move on.

2. Toronto's 2023 1st round pick to the New York Islanders, for Semyon Varlamov. The Leafs go in a different direction in net. The 34 year old Varlamov appears to have several years left and has one year left on his contract, at $5 million, after which he should start getting cheaper. The Islanders finally go with the younger Sorokin on a full time basis, freeing up cap space and acquiring an assett before losing Varlamov.

3. Toronto trades Jake Muzzin away for a draft pick and a prospect. Muzzin's cap hit must be sacrificed for this team to properly re-tool. They have enough organizational depth to make it happen, assuming they re-sign Giordano. Not expecting a huge haul in return, but quite a few franchises could still still use Muzzin in their top 4.

4. Toronto trades Alex Kerfoot as the sweetener in a deal to dump Petr Mrazek. The versatile Kerfoot would be an excellent fit, at a quality price, for a number of teams. I'd love to get great assets back for him, but I'll be happy if they can dump Mrazek's albatross at the price of Kerfoot and sign an FA (who I will mention later) for the same money.

FA Signings

1. Paul Stasny (2x 3.5 million). Despite being in his mid 30's Stasny can still play and would be the ideal 3C for this team, IMO. He's coming off another nice year in Winnipeg and he'd move Kampf down to the 4C spot, giving Toronto, arguably, the league's best center depth. His price tag will replace Kerfoot's, dollar for dollar.

2. Mark Giordano (1x 3.0 million). I might have been ahead of myself thinking Gio would be dirt cheap, so I've tried to be more realistic with this price tag. Giordano is an obvious choice to replace Muzzin as the #2 LD, at a cheaper price tag. I want to see an entire season of him paired with Timothy Liljegren, as the two showed excellent chemistry together late in the regular season.

3. Ilya Mikheyev (3x 3.25 million). With Nylander off the roster, Mikeheyev (coming off his best year yet) becomes an attractive player to retain. He's a really nice penalty killer, will chip in with 20+ goals, is a great skater and can play up the lineup. An ideal 3rd line player, however, I have up on the 2nd line on my 2022-2023 roster.

4. Timothy Liljegren (3x 2.4 million). I think Liljegren will slot into the #4 spot this year, playing beside Giordano. This will be his "prove it"contract, before getting paid nicely, next time around. IMO, he'll have a similar career progression as Mack Weegar in Florida and his contracts will scale similarly.

5. Rasmus Sandin (2x 1.5 million). A typical bridge deal for Sandin, who plays regular minutes on this team, in a 3rd pairing capacity, alongside Ilya Lybushkin. Give him some 2PP time and start developing him to move up into Giordano's top 4 role, a couple years from now.

6. Ilya Lyubushkin (3× 2.5 million). I like what Lyubushkin does, especially when he plays down the lineup. Capable of moving up the lineup in sheltered minutes, I think he's a definite asset that I'd like signed for multiple years, at a reasonable cap hit.

7. Nick Paul (4x 2.7 million). As Toronto looks to get a little heavier and harder to play against, the Mississauga native offers a nice frame and some heavier play in the bottom six. Probably won't be easy to sign, but maybe there is some interest in playing at home, for regular 3rd line minutes, on a longer contract. Paul would be a really nice organizational fit if he doesn't re-sign in Tampa Bay.

2023 Toronto Maple Leafs

#1 C: Auston Matthews (11.6 million)
#2 C: John Tavares (11.0 million)
#3 C: Paul Stasny (3.5 million)
#4 C: David Kampf (1.5 million)
# 1 LW: Tyler Bertuzzi ($4.75 million)
#2 LW: Michael Bunting ($900k)
#3 LW: Nick Paul ($2.7 million)
#4 LW: Nick Robertson ($797k)
#1 RW: Mitch Marner ($10.9 million)
#2 RW Ilya Mikheyev ($3.25 million)
#3 RW Pierre Engvall ($2.0 million)
#4 RW Joey Anderson (750k)
13th Forward: Wayne Simmonds (900k)

#1 LD: Morgan Rielly ($7.5 million)
#2 LD: Marc Giordano ($3.0 million)
#3 LD: Rasmus Sandin ($1.5 million)
#1 RD: TJ Brodie ($5.0 million)
#2 RD: Timothy Liljegren ($2.4 million)
#3 RD: Ilya Lyubushkin ($2.5 million)
7th D: Addition $750k-$1.0 million

#1 G: Semyon Varlamov (5.0 million)
#2 G: Addition $750k-$1.0 million

Total Cap Hit: $82.3-82.4 million

Bertuzzi / Matthews / Marner
Bunting / Tavares/ Mikheyev
Paul / Stasny / Engvall
Robertson / Kampf / Anderson
Simmonds (or Steeves)

Rielly / Brodie
Giordano / Liljegren
Sandin / Lyubushkin
Addition

Varlamov
Addition
 
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i am sure the Leafs would love the Wings deal. Stevie Y may think differently. Edvidsson is going to be a stud.
 
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i am sure the Leafs would love the Wings deal. Stevie Y may think differently. Edvidsson is going to be a stud.
I tried to make the deal realistic for both sides. There might be some tweeking that would have to take place to sort it out. I think it would be a pretty good trade for both teams though.

And I agree entirely, Edvidsson is going to be a stud. Maybe not Heiskanen good, but along those lines, IMO. I'd really like to get him in the deal if I'm sending PPG Nylander (at a nice cap hit) the other way.
 
It might be a slight overpay for Mikheyev, but with what he also adds as a penalty killed, I suspect the number he signs for (regardless of where it is) will start with the number 3. I think 2.9-3.1 would probably be ideal.
 
There's no way in hell Detroit makes that trade.

Edvinsson - Seider should be a terrific future top pair for their rebuilding team; Edvinsson is a very high end prospect.

Even if Bertuzzi were vaccinated, adding him to this trade & a pick is way too much for just Nylander+Holl.
 
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There's no way in hell Detroit makes that trade.

Edvinsson - Seider should be a terrific future top pair for their rebuilding team; Edvinsson is a very high end prospect.

Even if Bertuzzi were vaccinated, adding him to this trade & a pick is way too much for just Nylander+Holl.
Fair enough. I'd pay a lot to get Edvinsson out of their system , because we have nobody like him. Maybe drop the pick coming back in our direction, and add something nice in theirs.
 
schief is horrible. At least william knows what the defensive zone looks like and back checks to some degree and is positionally sound. Mark cheats all day is never in position and puts less effort than william while being a rumoured locker room cancer. That jets room is ass and mark is a big part of it.

You want to trade that for a guy who was ppg in the last two playoffs and consistently delivers in the playoffs, has the best contract out of our big 4, is a gym rat and a good locker room guy?

Make it make sense.
Fair enough. What about Nylander for Chychrun?
 
Fair enough. What about Nylander for Chychrun?
Here's the issue with that. There needs to be a significant piece coming along with chychrun. Chychrun isn't a defensive wizard. He's an offensive minded dman. Isn't the whole premise to trade William for a bit less offense and a bit more defense? I just don't see what chychrun gives us that lilj and sandin and the replacement of Holl don't.

Parayko on the other hand......
 
Here's the issue with that. There needs to be a significant piece coming along with chychrun. Chychrun isn't a defensive wizard. He's an offensive minded dman. Isn't the whole premise to trade William for a bit less offense and a bit more defense? I just don't see what chychrun gives us that lilj and sandin and the replacement of Holl don't.

Parayko on the other hand......
Chychrun and Crouse for Willy?

I’m not as concerned about getting a more defensively responsible replacement for Willy. I’m looking for players that will give us that playoff warrior mentality.
 
Lol he's anything but a beast. Go re-watch the games. He isn't battling at all and very inconsistent. That's just who he is. Team needs another look and a shake up. Need to target a power forward type. The mix just isn't working in the playoffs to get us over the hump. With JT declining and the 2nd line subpar all year, now's the time to make a move with his value still high.
We simply have too many of the same type of player. It's not that Willy isn't good enough or has a bad contract...it's the fact that he is the only one you can move right now. He will not re-sign here...that part is a given. So if you think you can recoup something for him now when he is at his most valuable...you just do it.
 
Not too bad overall. I'd say that the centre position becomes the team's greatest strength. Some question marks perhaps on the wings (Mikheyev in the top six, Anderson)? The blueline should be okay if the kids progress further, Giordano can continue to turn back the clock, and Lyubushkin earns the trust of Keefe to enough of an extent. Varlamov obviously lost the starter's role with NYI to a promising goalie, but I don't know how much of an upgrade he and a backup earning slightly above the NHL minimum will prove to be?
 
This is a guy who obviously promised Thornton minutes/games
The discussion that William and I had had a couple of times was a fear of his … that he was being signed to be traded,” Dubas told Bob McCown and Stephen Brunt on Prime Time Sports. “And my discussion with him, I just affirmed with him that that was not our intention whatsoever.

“Our intention was that as long as I was here that I saw him as a part of the Toronto Maple Leafs.”
 
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This is a guy who obviously promised Thornton minutes/games
The discussion that William and I had had a couple of times was a fear of his … that he was being signed to be traded,” Dubas told Bob McCown and Stephen Brunt on Prime Time Sports. “And my discussion with him, I just affirmed with him that that was not our intention whatsoever.

“Our intention was that as long as I was here that I saw him as a part of the Toronto Maple Leafs.”
Alternatively,

You could probably forgo Paul on the third line, in favour of someone cheaper (Evan Rodrigues comes to mind) and turn Mikheyev and Paul's combined money into someone like Rickard Rackell as an FA.

Something like...

Bunting / Matthews / Marner
Bertuzzi / Tavares / Rackell
Engvall / Stasny / Rodrigues
Anderson / Kampf / Robertson
Simmonds

Rielly / Brodie
Giordano / Liljegren
Sandin / Lyubushkin
Addition

Varlamov
Addition

You don't get a lot heavier, but you round out your top 6 and improve your center depth significantly, while keeping your d-core intact.
 
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It all depends on what we get in return. I would also really consider signing Kadri again. The guy plays with heart and is an UFA come July. Another UFA this summer is Johnny Gaudreau. Although small he is another that plays with heart.

Bunting - Matthews - Gaudreau
Kadri - Tavares - Marner.
I sincerely doubt you got both Kadri and Gaudreau for Willy's 6.9. You may not get either for that amount.

Between them they make a touch more than Tavares.

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Kadri - Nylander - Gaudreau

Would be much better.

(I know, fantasy because of JT's contract.)
 
You guys drafted and had Kadri and let him go and now you want to trade Nylander for him.
 

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