Should we strongly consider Trading W. Nylander while his value is high?

[The Masters]

This very mindset is what led to the Kadri trade.

I have no interest in seeing the team make the same mistake, again.

Yes, losing again hurts. But making change for the sake of change, are the exact sort of decisions that teams end up regretting down the road every single time.

nope. It's about getting better and getting more of what this team needs (6 playoff exits is a good enough sample - so not a knee jerk at all))
Nylander has shown his body of work for a while now. Not a playoff guy that this team needs. We need a 2 way player / different dynamic / power forward type, or even a 2nd line centre and push JT to the wing. That would be ideal.

Our 2nd line was subpar all year with him on it too so its not like we are talking about a great line and a 1-2 punch with mattys line.

Kerfoot is another guy that we should be aggressive moving.

 

[webersshot]

What do you want from montreal?

 

[ECanuck]

Unless we get what we need it's a no go. Another first round exit? Oh well. It would be another first round exit without him too.

 

[Commander Clueless]

If we can come out of it spreading some of his money around and we think it makes us a better team, it's a consideration. But as always, it depends on the return.

Maybe they consider moving him for a C and shifting Tavares to the wing?

 

[Nylanderthal]

Nylander has shown his body of work for a while now. Not a playoff guy that this team needs.

Not a playoff guy sure is a funny way to describe the most consistent impact forward the team has had the last three post seasons, but I appreciate the creativity Lebron

If we can come out of it spreading some of his money around and we think it makes us a better team, it's a consideration. But as always, it depends on the return.

Maybe they consider moving him for a C and shifting Tavares to the wing?

Taking good players and breaking down their value into not as good players isn’t a recipe for success

What do you want from montreal?

Your 2022 first round pick. Then maybe something else.
1OA + Price@7m
Nylander + mrazek +

 

[The Masters]

Not a playoff guy sure is a funny way to describe the most consistent impact forward the team has had the last three post seasons, but I appreciate the creativity Lebron


Taking good players and breaking down their value into not as good players isn’t a recipe to success

impact how? scoring? what about defensively? He dogs it. open ur eyes jim. I'm tallking about a 2 way forward which is what we need. plus our 2nd line wasnt any good this year. Seems JT is staying. Nylander is odd man out and only guy with value. Target a 2nd line centre and move him. You can always make another username. The Biebs. or TimBiebs. Lol salam.

What do you want from montreal?

shane wright

 

[Commander Clueless]

Taking good players and breaking down their value into not as good players isn’t a recipe for success

Not in a vacuum, no. But there's a reason blowing all your cap on just a few players can bite you, as the Leafs can likely attest.

I definitely understand what you mean, but it is tough finding that balance.

 

[Nylanderthal]

impact how? scoring? what about defensively? He dogs it. open ur eyes jim. I'm tallking about a 2 way forward which is what we need. plus our 2nd line wasnt any good this year. Seems JT is staying. Nylander is odd man out and only guy with value. Target a 2nd line centre and move him. You can always make another username. The Biebs. or TimBiebs. Lol salam.


shane wright

I mean…. You’re just wrong, go look up Willy’s metrics and stats over the last 3 post seasons, he’s a beast and picks it up.
I really don’t care about one turn and burn in a blow out game. He’s a cf% sh% possession and takeaway demon while being an absolute zone entry god. And he’s ppg+ In the post season, when scoring becomes harder to do.

 

[Byron Bitz]

This very mindset is what led to the Kadri trade.

I have no interest in seeing the team make the same mistake, again.

Yes, losing again hurts. But making change for the sake of change, are the exact sort of decisions that teams end up regretting down the road every single time.

Trading Kadri made sense, we just didn’t get the right return for him.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Not in a vacuum, no. But there's a reason blowing all your cap on just a few players can bite you, as the Leafs can likely attest.

I definitely understand what you mean, but it is tough finding that balance.

Lots of teams commit similar cap% on a group of 5-7 players that the leafs do, it’s just that with Toronto it’s skewed on F, if you wanna talk about moving salary around and bringing in another stud D or a bonafide top end #1 goalie, or heck even a different type of impact forward, I’m here for the conversation. I floated Willy and lots of stuff to Winnipeg for schief and Helle, I’ve seen another poster suggest Tom Wilson + Samsonov for Willy and mrazek and I see why those are worth debating and discussing, I’m sure there’s other guys out there as well, but to trade him for pieces to try and disperse his value into smaller bits throughout the line up doesn’t sound like a good move, not when you see teams like Tampa and Florida rebuild their bottom end with futures and Free agency

 

[Stephen]

Trading Kadri made sense, we just didn’t get the right return for him.

Also, if the original Calgary trade had gone through we wouldn't have had the one bad year with Barrie, but instead rolled into the Brodie era without having armed another contender with a finishing piece.

 

[Dreakmur]

Lots of teams commit similar cap% on a group of 5-7 players that the leafs do, it’s just that with Toronto it’s skewed on F, if you wanna talk about moving salary around and bringing in another stud D or a bonafide top end #1, heck even a different type of impact forward, I’m here for the conversation. I floated Willy and lots of stuff to Winnipeg for schief and Helle, I’ve seen another poster suggest Tom Wilson + Samsonov for Willy and mrazek and I see why those are worth debating and discussing, I’m sure there’s other guys out there as well, but ti trade him for pieces to try and disperse his value into smaller bits doesn’t sound like a good move, not when you see teams like Tampa Ann Florida rebuild their bottom end with futures and Free agency

Agreed. Nylander should only be moved for elite returns.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Also, if the original Calgary trade had gone through we wouldn't have had the one bad year with Barrie, but instead rolled into the Brodie era without having armed another contender with a finishing piece.

We also would’ve had the corpse of jankowski instead of Kerfoot, in the end the roll of the dice on Barrie was worth it when they still ended up with the single best piece from each deal.

 

[Stephen]

We also would’ve had the corpse of jankowski instead of Kerfoot, in the end the roll of the dice on Barrie was worth it when they still ended up with the single best piece from each deal.

On the third hand we wouldn't have had $3.5 million committed to Kerfoot which could have come in handy in 2021, haha.

 

[Nylanderthal]

On the third hand we wouldn't have had $3.5 million committed to Kerfoot which could have come in handy in 2021, haha.

I think he’s easily moved for some assets this off season no?

 

[Stephen]

I think he’s easily moved for some assets this off season no?

He's not an albatross, but it was also the year Toronto gave up Kapanen for that Amirov pick and practically gave Johnsson away for nothing to manufacture some space. So sometimes just having the free cap is just as good as a warm body when your organization has money.

 

[The Masters]

I mean…. You’re just wrong, go look up Willy’s metrics and stats over the last 3 post seasons, he’s a beast and picks it up.
I really don’t care about one turn and burn in a blow out game. He’s a cf% sh% possession and takeaway demon while being an absolute zone entry god. And he’s ppg+ In the post season, when scoring becomes harder to do.

Lol he's anything but a beast. Go re-watch the games. He isn't battling at all and very inconsistent. That's just who he is. Team needs another look and a shake up. Need to target a power forward type. The mix just isn't working in the playoffs to get us over the hump. With JT declining and the 2nd line subpar all year, now's the time to make a move with his value still high.

 

[frizzer1]

Let’s get real.
Matthews and Marner are not being traded.
And the idea that this is a high skilled offense is only because of them and Nylander.
If they trade Nylander and don’t get a high skilled forward back, where is the offense going to come from.?
He doesn’t have the compete level we want but we need him.

 

[frizzer1]

I would tell Tavares that he will be dropped to a third line as a checking centre.
If that doesn’t make him waive they are doomed.
You can’t win with him on this team making 11 mil.

 

[Morbo]

Arizona is "home" for Matthews and the Coyotes are opening a new arena in a few years - they will offer the moon to get their "home town hero" selling tickets.

They don't have the moon. More to the point, they don't even have the cash on hand to pay Matthews the signing bonus on his next deal, let alone afford his next deal.

 

[notDatsyuk]

If we can come out of it spreading some of his money around and we think it makes us a better team, it's a consideration. But as always, it depends on the return.

Maybe they consider moving him for a C and shifting Tavares to the wing?

Move Nylander to C and shift Tavares to the wing on line 3.

 

[Rompane]

Lets trade to guy who has best priced contract in team. What an absolute great idea. Trade Tavares if someone wants him.

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

Lets trade to guy who has best priced contract in team. What an absolute great idea. Trade Tavares if someone wants him.

Best contract and produces just as much as the "big boys" during the playoffs (if not more). You only trade Nylander for a fantastic, can't so no deal.

 

[TheRumble]

Let me explain something to you guys who think Nylander is bad at defense.

Defense in hockey is not a skill like skating or shooting (and even shooting can be subdivided into types of shots - some players are known for being extremely good at one type of shot).

There are different types of defenses in hockey just like there are different types of defenses in football and basketball. It's not a general thing. Nobody says that Deion Sanders was bad at defense because he doesn't get a lot of QB sacks, his job was to prevent receivers from catching the ball and he was one of the GOATs at it. Similarly, Kawhi is not considered a bad defender because he doesn't block a lot of shots, his primary skill is perimeter defense. Shot blockers typically excel at help defense and paint defense in basketball.

Transition defense which occurs in the offensive zone and neutral zone is something Nylander is really good at.

Nylander is not great at shutting down a sustained forecheck - this is a skill that is typically reserved for defencemen and occasionally centers. Matthews is actually pretty good at disrupting a sustained zone forecheck. Wingers typically have less responsibilities although their are guys like Stone, Marchand, Pacioretty, Marner, Hossa etc. who take on non-traditional roles for two way wingers.

The are very few hockey players in the entire history of the NHL that were good at all types of defense.

Defense in hockey is primarily a team concept and despite the moniker, defencemen are not necessarily primarily responsible for defense. Everyone on the ice as a role based on the system, their individual abilities and the coach's ability to recognize it. Hockey is a two way sport that is increasingly becoming less positionally rigid. The increase in the usage of the three man blue line over the last several years is a really good example of that.

When people say "trade Nylander for more defense" you're not just sacrificing his offensive contributions to the team but you've also gotten worse at transition defense as well. It's not quite the same as trading a runningback for a defensive end as many of you seem to imply here.

 

[SoftDumpNtheCorner88]

Agreed. Nylander should only be moved for elite returns.

I don't think that people here just want to trade him for whatever we can get... The return needs to be good. REALLY good. He has the pedigree, draft position, offensive numbers, age and 2 years on a reasonable deal. He most definitely will get us a serious return. I just feel after watching him play he isn't what we need to push us through the play offs and is a luxury, we need more intensity come playoffs he is the opposite of that despite the numbers he puts up. He is a liability in the Dzone when stakes get high.. and is frustrating to coaches and everyone else because he has the potential but chooses to not be consistent with it. Phil Kessel was the same issue.. put up good numbers but even he actually turned it up physically come play offs, because that's just what you do to win... Quiting on plays is so disheartening to see and if you don't think seeing that from the bench kills your momentum, I don't know what to tell you.

The pieces we should get for willy should help us now and in the future. So you're looking at something like

-1st
-High prospect
-Youngish stud Dman (top pairing -potential)
-Play off performing tough 3rd liner

Maybe more, but the prospect, Dman and 3rd line player needs to be what we need.

And use the 7mill to help with a top 6 forward and goaltending.


Willy will get his points somewhere else but I believe this move helps us now and in the future.