Should we strongly consider Trading W. Nylander while his value is high?

[BigBlu]

I strenuously/"strongly"object.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Trading Nylander, due to having Tavares, would be a massive mistake. So I fully expect Kyle to do it.

 

[DanielMarois]

I think one of the top two C's have to go, neither of them are the typical elite playmaking center that you need. It's kind of a strange setup they have where the top C is a scorer and the top W is a passer. Not sure if that's ideal for the playoffs when the center part of the ice gets more clogged up

 

[BigBlu]

Paying four similar type players $40M was never going to work so somebody has to go and twinkle toes Willy is the most likely candidate because Tavares can’t be traded and Nylander is the least dependable and most easily replaced.

Tavares needs to fall on his sword. He wanted it so bad. Now, it's over. The only way to propitiate the cause is on Robidas Island. There's a semblance of dignity there. Enjoy.
Sleep well in your jammies.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Nylander is one of the offensive weapons, so the fact that they can't score when it counts is partially on him. You can replace him with something else.

Over the last four games he had more goals and as many assists as Matthews and Marner combined (he was also a +3 while they were both -3).

He had more goals and points in those four games than anyone else on either team.

 

[Dreakmur]

Over the last four games he had more goals and as many assists as Matthews and Marner combined (he was also a +3 while they were both -3).

He had more goals and points in those four games than anyone else on either team.

If you’re argument is that we should trade Marner instead, I can get on board with that. If I’m it’s that we shouldn’t make any significant changes, I think that’s foolish.

 

[Havoc]

Weakly consider this. Like weaker than Engvall weakly if such a thing exists

 

[notDatsyuk]

If you’re argument is that we should trade Marner instead, I can get on board with that. If I’m it’s that we shouldn’t make any significant changes, I think that’s foolish.

I'm not specifically arguing to trade Marner over Nylander, or against 'significant changes'. I'm mainly pointing out that people (not necessarily you) who say Nylander didn't produce in the critical games are likely thinking with their hearts instead of their heads.

If 'significant change' means removing one of the top five, my take on 'best' would be getting rid of Tavares and making much better use of that $11M. That's virtually impossible (trading him - making better use of #11M is easy). I don't think trading either Marner or Nylander is a good idea, but I can see how that might be the only option. I'm not sure which would be a bigger loss.

Personally, although it's not as big a change, I'd like to see Tavares moved to 3C (or even 3W + faceoffs), and Nylander moved to 2C.

 

[ktownhockey]

Yes his value is always going to be high. If we can get a good D or Goaltender we can trade him.

I love Nylander and he is a potential PPG player moving forward. I would trade him and Mrazek for Gibson. Don't hate.

 

[Kiwi]

I love Nylander and he is a potential PPG player moving forward. I would trade him and Mrazek for Gibson. Don't hate.

He already is a PPG player, in the regular season and playoffs and if we traded him for that the entire front office should be given a walk of shame Game of Thrones style

 

[Clyde Brewer]

I'd rather move on from Marner than Nylander right now. Marner in the playoffs doesn't outplay Nylander enough to justify the extra $4 million.

 

[Walshy7]

I'd rather move on from Marner than Nylander right now. Marner in the playoffs doesn't outplay Nylander enough to justify the extra $4 million.

also if you move Nylanders $7M to replace him with a similar level dman its minimum $7M caphit so you get 1 out 1 in, if trade an $11M player ideally Jt but most likely would have to be marner. you could use that space on a say $8/9M dman and and have couple million left over to try and fix bottom of roster elsewhere forward or D.

 

[The Masters]

YES
need to shake up the team and nylander is ur best asset, try and target a power forward or a centre. move JT to the wing.

 

[2 Slick]

Over the last four games he had more goals and as many assists as Matthews and Marner combined (he was also a +3 while they were both -3).

He had more goals and points in those four games than anyone else on either team.

Cool, how about the first half of the series when he was completely invisible on the scoresheet? I can cherry pick stats too to suit my narrative.

 

[Byron Bitz]

If there’s a good deal to be made. Something similar to the Bobby Ryan trade. Both had 2 years left on their deal and were similar level players. Ryan got traded for Silfverberg, Noeson and the 10th overall pick. I’d do something like that for Willy

 

[Mickey Marner]

If there’s a good deal to be made. Something similar to the Bobby Ryan trade. Both had 2 years left on their deal and were similar level players. Ryan got traded for Silfverberg and the 10th overall pick. I’d do something like that for Willy

That's a good comparable.

 

[Maplebeasts]

His return would be a lot better than what Ottawa got for Nick Paul and I'd rather have Nick Paul on the team. Comes down to proper scouting potential players for his replacement. Not sure I want the guy who gave away Jared McCann overseeing this scouting.

If you actually would rather have Nick Paul then I have nothing to say other than thank god you aren't running the team. That is ludicrous.

 

[ULF_55]

Campbell - no idea!

Kerfoot - trade
Holl - trade
Mikheyev - unsigned
Mrazek - traded/buyout

Lyubushkin - offered same money over 2 years ... moves on with a better offer
Giordano - offered around 3 over 2 years ... his choice take it or move on

Engvall - small increase
Kase - small increase or he can move on
Liljegren and Sandin - small increases

There are several players, Simmons, Clifford, Spezza, Blackwell that should stay under the bury threshold that are not critical or key if they're claimed on waivers.

Give true auditions to prospects.

Two options:
Get a player who improves the 2nd. line. Has to be the correct fit, kind of like Bunting is on the 1st. line.
Re-assign the players on the 2nd. line and make two 2b lines.

They are close, just a dumb decision or two away from being in the 2nd. round.

...

Don't get overly excited about players who have a good playoffs, unless that same player can do it in the regular season and have a solid history of coming up big.

A 27 year old forward with 2 career playoff goals doesn't have a history of delivering.
Could be a fluke, could be an indication, could never happen again.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Cool, how about the first half of the series when he was completely invisible on the scoresheet? I can cherry pick stats too to suit my narrative.

I wasn't 'cherry picking', I was responding to a post suggesting he disappeared when the games got tougher. Just pointing out that he wasn't the reason we lost three if those four games.

 

[rielledup]

Idk about Arizona but I can definitely see him leaving.

Marner I don't really care about. He's always had an elite C whether it's Tavares or Matthews, I don't think he's a key piece

If you don't think marner is an elite talent in his own right you don't understand what you're watching. In the season before playing with JT he had over a ppg in his last 50 games playing with guys like bozak, kadri, jvr.

 

[34]

1. Tavares
2. Marner

Exactly, Tavares is the one that has to go.


Nylander is a stud and on a great contract.

 

[Tak7]

YES
need to shake up the team

This very mindset is what led to the Kadri trade.

I have no interest in seeing the team make the same mistake, again.

Yes, losing again hurts. But making change for the sake of change, are the exact sort of decisions that teams end up regretting down the road every single time.

 

[Gallagbi]

This very mindset is what led to the Kadri trade.

I have no interest in seeing the team make the same mistake, again.

Yes, losing again hurts. But making change for the sake of change, are the exact sort of decisions that teams end up regretting down the road every single time.

Kadri was traded because of discipline issues

 

[pcruz]

I strenuously/"strongly"object.

Strenuously object, is that it?

I object. Overruled. I strenuously object.
Oh well, then.....
It's a difference between paper law and trial law.
Hell you even had the judge calling him an expert.






I'm going by memory here, so sue me if it's even a little wrong

 

[Nylanderthal]

I’m convinced the Nylander fan club loved Kessel too while anybody who played the game knows how they can’t be your key players because they are one dimensional and afraid of contact.

You’re talking about 2x Stanley cup champion Phil Kessel?