Should we strongly consider Trading W. Nylander while his value is high?

[Willchel Marlynder]

Looks like the sentiment is leaning towards keeping Nylander (Which I agree with) but then I have to ask, do people really think management can run it back with "the core 4"? I feel like there will be some major push from the higher ups to make a major shake up. Do people not feel this way? Maybe I'm out to lunch...

 

[A1LeafNation]

Looks like the sentiment is leaning towards keeping Nylander (Which I agree with) but then I have to ask, do people really think management can run it back with "the core 4"? I feel like there will be some major push from the higher ups to make a major shake up. Do people not feel this way? Maybe I'm out to lunch...

Run it back with core 4 being Marner Matthews Nylander and Rielly yes.

If you mean the other so called core player... no.

 

[leafsfan5]

Matthews is someone you never move
Marner may be slightly overpaid but he's shown to be a top 5 winger in the game. Not worth dealing him
Nylander is easily worth his value at 7 million, you won't do better than him for that price point
Tavares.......he's not worth his contract but has a full NMC. Don't see him ever leaving

We're kind of stuck with all of the big 4 unless we deal Willy. And we will most likely lose a Nylander deal

 

[horner]

Upgrade the goalie and try again

You need to score more than 1 goal in game 7.
Can you find another Vasi.

We had 4 shots in the 3rd period of game 6 .

Except for one game where we got shelled for 7 goals when the team didn't show up .

Soup played Vasi even.

 

[ACC1224]

Looks like the sentiment is leaning towards keeping Nylander (Which I agree with) but then I have to ask, do people really think management can run it back with "the core 4"? I feel like there will be some major push from the higher ups to make a major shake up. Do people not feel this way? Maybe I'm out to lunch...

You may be right but I thought the sentiment was to move Nylander.
A poll would have been helpful here.

 

[therealkoho]

9m out

William Nylander + Justin Holl + 24 4th

Isles Kieffer Bellows(RFA rights) + Scott Mayfield + Aatu Raty + 23 1st + 24 2nd + 24 3rd

Ducks Max Comtois + Tyson Hinds + Issac Lundestrom 23 1st Ducks + 23 2nd(Boston) 23 3rd Ducks

 

[TGB]

He's actually decent value for the price, though. Tavares strikes me as the most egregious contract, but he's also perfect as captain so I dunno...

do people really think management can run it back with "the core 4"? I feel like there will be some major push from the higher ups to make a major shake up. Do people not feel this way?

No, you're right. Someone will call for a shake-up. This sort of thing doesn't happen without someone getting fired. The problem is the place where it matters most, goal and D, is a difficult place to find value. Campbell was actually pretty cheap for what he did (well, at first, anyway) and Giordano is a unicorn. How often do you find old D that can be that effective? The guy will want more money, no doubt about it.

Even then, where is the cap space? It's just not there. Reilly's is jumping another 2 mil. You COULD take away by getting rid of guys like Kerfoot, but that still won't completely shore up all of the team's weaknesses. I suppose you can get rid of all the periphery guys like Kampf and Kase and Mik and funnel all that money into D and goal, but some of those guys were pretty good. Seems like the only guys you can truly safely jettison are the ones who won't free up much money anyway.

No, the MOST LIKELY WAY they will shake-up the Leafs...

...is by changing the coach.

Even then I doubt that will make much of a difference. The problem is the Leafs got desperate and began shooting willy nilly in the final game and that's a discipline problem. That's something you can't just fix easily, certainly not when your best scorers are all getting 10 mil a year and are worth WAY more to the team's revenues than the coach.

 

[SoftDumpNtheCorner88]

UPDATE

Poll added. Thank you mods.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Looks like the sentiment is leaning towards keeping Nylander (Which I agree with) but then I have to ask, do people really think management can run it back with "the core 4"? I feel like there will be some major push from the higher ups to make a major shake up. Do people not feel this way? Maybe I'm out to lunch...

I figure you might as well trade him now because there is NO WAY he is re-signing for anything less than huge bucks when this deal is up. He will either walk away in 2yrs for nothing or we can get something back for him now. Might as well change the dynamic on the team when you still have 2yrs left of AM to try with.

 

[SoftDumpNtheCorner88]

Doing a move like this will 100% only happen in the Summer. I can't see Dubas doing this in a trade deadline

 

[Mad hatter]

I think I would really only trade him if it was for a really young goalie or a really good young power forward. He should have great value considering his remaining money owed and talent.

 

[-DeMo-]

if your trading 1 of the big 4 forwards it's not for picks/prospects were in win now mode it would be star for star, with small adds on one side or the other something like Schiefele for Nylander as an example not sure what players could be available tho to make a real assessment but there's usually someone in the upper tier that is available every summer,.

 

[Ports]

This is an extremely silly way of looking at things. William isn't being paid like the guy. He's being paid like a good third or fourth piece but in the playoffs he consistently produces like the top guy. If you have beef, then tell Matthews and marner to score 30-40 pct more in the playoffs like they do in the regular season to justify their contracts. Trading the guy who scores ppg in the playoffs on a great contract is simply asinine. William doesn't need to be our best player and he's not being paid like one.

Paying four similar type players $40M was never going to work so somebody has to go and twinkle toes Willy is the most likely candidate because Tavares can’t be traded and Nylander is the least dependable and most easily replaced.

 

[SoftDumpNtheCorner88]

Matthews is someone you never move
Marner may be slightly overpaid but he's shown to be a top 5 winger in the game. Not worth dealing him
Nylander is easily worth his value at 7 million, you won't do better than him for that price point
Tavares.......he's not worth his contract but has a full NMC. Don't see him ever leaving

We're kind of stuck with all of the big 4 unless we deal Willy. And we will most likely lose a Nylander deal

Maybe.

For 2 years, depends on what Nylander will get after his contracts up. Do you see us competing for a SC in these 2 years with our play off success? If yes you keep him. I've learned that we can't just win a play off series by putting up points, IMO being defensively responsible, digging in the corners and playing with intensity along with a slight drop in points can do you better, if you already got other players that can put up more points than you anyway.

If you can get back a HUGE return for him which he should receive since he'll have another controlled year, and he nets you a 1st, good youngish Dman, prospect, and a great bottom 6 play off performer... If argue this is better for the team now and in the long run.

Nylander will hover around a PPG 1st line winger with his new team while being a perimeter player, and then being an overpaid perimeter player once he gets his new contract. He'll demand 9 -9.5m and some team will pay for it, but the pay a price for 2 of those cheap years.

 

[ER89]

Paying four similar type players $40M was never going to work so somebody has to go and twinkle toes Willy is the most likely candidate because Tavares can’t be traded and Nylander is the least dependable and most easily replaced.

It's funny people say he is the most replaceable. Find me another ppg guy available for 6.9 if we trade William

 

[notDatsyuk]

Paying four similar type players $40M was never going to work so somebody has to go and twinkle toes Willy is the most likely candidate because Tavares can’t be traded and Nylander is the least dependable and most easily replaced.

I think it's a little disingenuous to say four players earning $40M, when they are making $11, $11, $11, and $7.

"One of these things is not like the others."

Nylander is the most easily traded, but I disagree with both "least dependable" and "most easily replaced". How many players were PPG in both the regular season and the playoffs? How many of them would be available for under $7M?

 

[Dreakmur]

It's funny people say he is the most replaceable. Find me another ppg guy available for 6.9 if we trade William

You don't need to replace his points if you bring other things to the table.

 

[SoftDumpNtheCorner88]

You don't need to replace his points if you bring other things to the table.

A 1st, good young Dman, prospect, and tough good bottom 6 playoff performer, I would trade his points for.

He's an PPG complimentary player we have a better version of that in marner who I have more trust in to run his own line if needed. Nylander will be looking for a raise probably around 9.5m. it's not an easy call but with our playoff success I don't know if I trust this line up winning a SC in 2 years without some intensity and an upgrade in D. I believe Nylander can get us those pieces and add to the farm.


Edit: and obviously a goalie upgrade but I don't see Nylander getting us that piece.

 

[Glacious]

You don't need to replace his points if you bring other things to the table.

Exactly! We don't necessarily have to replace him with another ppg player to come out a better team. A guy like Ryan O'Rielly typically hasn't been a ppg player over his career but I'm absolutely certain we'd be a better team were they swapped (not that that'd ever happen).

Ppl really need to stop fixating on points so much.

 

[ER89]

You don't need to replace his points if you bring other things to the table.

The point is you're not going to bring anyone with a net benefit in the playoffs. This team can't score when it counts.

 

[1specter]

Paying four similar type players $40M was never going to work so somebody has to go and twinkle toes Willy is the most likely candidate because Tavares can’t be traded and Nylander is the least dependable and most easily replaced.

Lmao how the f*** is he the least dependable? You know Nylander is second in playoff goals only to Matthews since 2017 right? Nylander has more 5v5 playoff points than either Marner or Matthews do (in less minutes at that), and he has outscored Marner in the playoffs since 2019. Marner didn't even have a playoff goal in 3 years coming into this series. He also has a higher playoff GPG and PPG than John Tavares since John came to the Leafs.

And unlike those guys, Nylander has often gotten the shorter end of the stick with linemates, having to play lower in the lineup or even being forced to play 3C when Kadri got suspended. Also was on the 2nd PP unit for the first few years.

The only person who has really outperformed him as a whole has been Matthews.

 

[Dreakmur]

The point is you're not going to bring anyone with a net benefit in the playoffs. This team can't score when it counts.

Nylander is one of the offensive weapons, so the fact that they can't score when it counts is partially on him. You can replace him with something else.

 

[TheRumble]

Nylander is one of the offensive weapons, so the fact that they can't score when it counts is partially on him. You can replace him with something else.

Nylander, Marner, Matthews, Rielly or Tavares were in on every single goal the Leafs scored in the final 3 games. Every single one.

Goals that opened the scoring, tied game, go ahead goals, game winning goals and goals that cut the lead to 3, 2, or 1.

Either I experienced a different series from a different universe or some of y'all watched the games on LSD.

 

[1specter]

Also for people saying to trade him to get someone else who can 'bring something different to the table', Nylander himself has qualities that the other guys don't. He's elite at zone entries, he's fantastic at shielding the puck and maintaining gap control even under pressure and he's able to slow the game down and effortlessly create space, which is something hard to do in the playoffs. Also, he's bigger and physically stronger than Mitch or Tavares and with his skating he is able to cut to the net better. As great as Mitch was this series he still struggles to get to the slot and use his shot in tight.

 

[Dreakmur]

Nylander, Marner, Matthews, Rielly or Tavares were in on every single goal the Leafs scored in the final 3 games. Every single one.

Goals that opened the scoring, tied game, go ahead goals, game winning goals and goals that cut the lead to 3, 2, or 1.

Either I experienced a different series from a different universe or some of y'all watched the games on LSD.

That's the point. Our depth scoring was garbage. Our blueline was mediocre. Our goaltending was mediocre.

Also for people saying to trade him to get someone else who can 'bring something different to the table', Nylander himself has qualities that the other guys don't. He's elite at zone entries, he's fantastic at shielding the puck and maintaining gap control even under pressure and he's able to slow the game down and effortlessly create space, which is something hard to do in the playoffs. Also, he's bigger and physically stronger than Mitch or Tavares and with his skating he is able to cut to the net better. As great as Mitch was this series he still struggles to get to the slot and use his shot in tight.

I've been saying this for like 3 years now - decide which one of Marner or Nylander is more valuable and trade the other one. You're better off using that cap space on a goalie or a defenseman.