Should we strongly consider Trading W. Nylander while his value is high?

[Maplebeasts]

The erotic fan fiction of the doomers here saying Matthews will leave in UFA.

SMH...

I really wish they would just f*** off and cheer for other teams already.

 

[ACC1224]

Throw in Mrazek and we're talkin!!

Forgot he still existed. As it stands now he’s the #1 next season so the can’t dump him unless they get a replacement.

 

[BayStBullies]

You ship Reilly, because he never plays defense. Free zone entries every time.

 

[Ports]

Kessel led a Stanley Cup winning team in playoff scoring.

That's as 'key' as it comes.

He went to a stacked team with two top five centres, a top five defenseman and great goaltending. He would not have done that as a Leaf. Neither will Nylander.

That's all irrelevant considering William makes only 6.9, which is a steal.

 

[Ports]

When you can’t count on a player showing up, $7M is not a steal. Changes will be coming.

 

[paulhiggins]

Get him and his hairdresser out of here with a good return. He's Jason Blake 2.

 

[Trapper]

Dubas should be listening to every offer at this point. The time for I’m never trading X while I’m here should be done. That doesn’t mean you should do it if it’s not in the best interest of the team. But if he refuses to listen he should be fired.

 

[ER89]

He went to a stacked team with two top five centres, a top five defenseman and great goaltending. He would not have done that as a Leaf. Neither will Nylander.

This is an extremely silly way of looking at things. William isn't being paid like the guy. He's being paid like a good third or fourth piece but in the playoffs he consistently produces like the top guy. If you have beef, then tell Matthews and marner to score 30-40 pct more in the playoffs like they do in the regular season to justify their contracts. Trading the guy who scores ppg in the playoffs on a great contract is simply asinine. William doesn't need to be our best player and he's not being paid like one.

 

[ACC1224]

Let me just start off by saying I'm a fan of Nylander, I followed his career the day we drafted him, watched all the Marlies games he played in (some in person).

He's a dynamic player and will be a PPG player for awhile.... But isn't the guy to raise his level in the playoffs to drag his team/line into the fight and IMO his energy if anything kills it... With all his skill and speed I hate seeing him choose when he wants to start playing, the book is out on him... Play him rough and he'll disappear.

I KNOW he still got his points in the playoffs but that doesn't tell the whole story... He wasn't bringing the intensity/effort that Matthews and Marner and even Tavares (with his slow skating) was trying to bring to keep momentum going. Shying away from scrums and even giving up on plays.... ITS THE f***IN PLAYOFFS... That type of play KILLS your team's momentum, he's a highly valued player in the league... Even Phil Kessel would raise his play come play offs and take a hit to make a play... PHIL KESSEL.... I hated seeing him just poke at pokes and avoid contact at all costs. He isn't a rookie anymore and there's no excuses for that when Marner is jumping in corners and throwing the body himself. Reminder that he's older than Marner and Matthews and should do a better job of roading by example.


With our salary cap issues and some players who can't be traded (Tavares would be the player we should trade but no team will take in that cap and he has a NMC) I think we should be looking into our options with Nylanders great contract that he will be expecting a bigger raise... We should look elsewhere and collect on his HIGH VALUE now.. grab some high end picks and almost ready blue chip prospects.

We have PPG players in our team and we've already witnessed that JT can do well into he 2nd line with other players, we can sacrifice the finess speedy winger since we have enough in our system.. try to bring in plays like JT Miller play style in and create more of a dog fight team to complement the speed and skill.

We've wasted enough time keeping our own rentals without results.. I think it's time we send a message by Trading Willy and seeing what he can fetch.

I am not saying trade him for the highest bidder... The offer needs to be what we want and let a team desperate enough for skill and speed to over pay, but we should atleast make it clear he isn't untouchable.

We got Matthew Knies and Nick Robertson coming up soon along with Amirov that hopefully will recover and develop.

If we can get a 1st, 2nd, high end prospect, and a maybe a play off performing roster player that can help now I take that deal all day. Nylanders PPG resume and ideal contract for a few years should be enticing enough.

Should add a poll to this.

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

Don't understand the hate boner for Nylander over here. This place always turns into a psych ward after the first round

I'm hoping we don't trade Nylander (unless the return is just ridiculous) but come on... I'm sure you know why the place gets crazy with each compounding 1st round exit

 

[Trapper]

I'm hoping we don't trade Nylander (unless the return is just ridiculous) but come on... I'm sure you know why the place gets crazy with each compounding 1st round exit

Matthews and Marner would be the last moved.
Tavares has a NMC.
You can’t move Rielly, he is re-signed and a defender vs. the core 4 forwards. He’s needed more than Nylander IMO. D before wing.

I think Tavares would be better served on the wing. He can still score goals but is losing steps for center. Like Pavelski moved to the wing. Nylander makes 7 mil. For 9 you could get a quality C and D for the team.

Matthews…Marner
Tavares…C

Rielly on 1 pair and new D anchor 2nd pair.
Need money for goaltender as well.

 

[justashadowof]

Why just Nylander?

He is what he is. I'm long gotten over blaming Nylander's style of play for team losses. Sure he protects himself at all times, but that's how he plays. We can all see that he could play a more inside game if he wanted to but no coach has convinced him to do it and no coach ever will. He's still that PPG type of talent whose shot keeps getting better, 40+ goals is a real possibility in the future.

The Penguins won 2 cups putting Phil Kessel to great use. Kessel didn't stop throwing snow at any hint of contact in Pittsburgh. And Kessel was never as effective a forechecker as Nylander is even if Nylander is very careful with regards to contact. On an individual level, there's no reason that a team couldn't win 4 rounds using Nylander.

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

Matthews and Marner would be the last moved.
Tavares has a NMC.
You can’t move Rielly, he is re-signed and a defender vs. the core 4 forwards. He’s needed more than Nylander IMO. D before wing.

I think Tavares would be better served on the wing. He can still score goals but is losing steps for center. Like Pavekski moved to the wing. Nylander makes 7 mil. For 9 you could get a quality C and D for the team.

Matthews…Marner
Tavares…C

Rielly on 1 pair and new D anchor 2nd pair.
Need money for goaltender as well.

Oh for sure I'm placing my bets on Nylander being moved. It's would just be a shame and bad business to trade a PPG winger in both the regular season and playoffs, making only $7M for the next 2 seasons just for the sake of change/Cap restructuring.

We're talking about trading Nylander which is fair game fair but what are we planning to do? If you trade him for a player of equal value on D that D man is probably making more money, so the money you'd use for a better goalie/pay playoff duds like Mik and Engvall is gone, the Cap structure of the team gets rebalanced a bit though.

If you trade him for a lessor player, maybe a good young upcoming player and some picks, well that's a bid odd given we're shooting for the Stanley Cup not rebuilding, but you do open up that cap space. As said before Mik and Engvall are playoff duds and I'd much rather have Nylander even if it meant losing one or both. If you go the FA route I'm sure you can find some nice pieces but you won't find anyone of Nylander's talent at anywhere close to $7M. You'd be shooting for the sum of parts > Nylander. Possible but I wouldn't bet on it.

That's the thing with a Nylander trade that makes it tough. He's a star player on an amazing contract. It'll be hard to win a trade like that, that checks off all the boxes. However, if you told me a Nylander trade has more of psychological effect on the team that somehow makes Marner and Matthews perform like stars in closeout games, well that makes the trade more feasible.

 

[authentic]

They did block a lot of shots but Vasi made a lot of great saves as well.

No doubt, he definitely played better in the last few games.

 

[paulhiggins]

His return would be a lot better than what Ottawa got for Nick Paul and I'd rather have Nick Paul on the team. Comes down to proper scouting potential players for his replacement. Not sure I want the guy who gave away Jared McCann overseeing this scouting.

 

[fahad203]

His return would be a lot better than what Ottawa got for Nick Paul and I'd rather have Nick Paul on the team. Comes down to proper scouting potential players for his replacement. Not sure I want the guy who gave away Jared McCann overseeing this scouting.

Our pro scouts are trash. They probobaly base everything on data as opposed to watching players

Nick Foligno
Jimmy Vessey
Joe Thornton
Wayne Simmonds
Nik Ritchie
Peter Mrazek
Malgin
Reilly Nash


Some of these players haven't been good in ages or were never good. Mrazek has been inconsistent all his life. Some of them have serious injuries like Simmonds for past 6 years. Nik Foligno was even injured when we got him

It's almost like they just take stabs with players, see what hits home runs

Yes, I know what people are going to say... We got Bunting. yes we did, because Arizona all in their glory equally stupid with their roaster. Bunting is from Scarborough, he would have played for Marlies if needed

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Let me just start off by saying I'm a fan of Nylander, I followed his career the day we drafted him, watched all the Marlies games he played in (some in person).

He's a dynamic player and will be a PPG player for awhile.... But isn't the guy to raise his level in the playoffs to drag his team/line into the fight and IMO his energy if anything kills it... With all his skill and speed I hate seeing him choose when he wants to start playing, the book is out on him... Play him rough and he'll disappear.

I KNOW he still got his points in the playoffs but that doesn't tell the whole story... He wasn't bringing the intensity/effort that Matthews and Marner and even Tavares (with his slow skating) was trying to bring to keep momentum going. Shying away from scrums and even giving up on plays.... ITS THE f***IN PLAYOFFS... That type of play KILLS your team's momentum, he's a highly valued player in the league... Even Phil Kessel would raise his play come play offs and take a hit to make a play... PHIL KESSEL.... I hated seeing him just poke at pokes and avoid contact at all costs. He isn't a rookie anymore and there's no excuses for that when Marner is jumping in corners and throwing the body himself. Reminder that he's older than Marner and Matthews and should do a better job of roading by example.


With our salary cap issues and some players who can't be traded (Tavares would be the player we should trade but no team will take in that cap and he has a NMC) I think we should be looking into our options with Nylanders great contract that he will be expecting a bigger raise... We should look elsewhere and collect on his HIGH VALUE now.. grab some high end picks and almost ready blue chip prospects.

We have PPG players in our team and we've already witnessed that JT can do well into he 2nd line with other players, we can sacrifice the finess speedy winger since we have enough in our system.. try to bring in plays like JT Miller play style in and create more of a dog fight team to complement the speed and skill.

We've wasted enough time keeping our own rentals without results.. I think it's time we send a message by Trading Willy and seeing what he can fetch.

I am not saying trade him for the highest bidder... The offer needs to be what we want and let a team desperate enough for skill and speed to over pay, but we should atleast make it clear he isn't untouchable.

We got Matthew Knies and Nick Robertson coming up soon along with Amirov that hopefully will recover and develop.

If we can get a 1st, 2nd, high end prospect, and a maybe a play off performing roster player that can help now I take that deal all day. Nylanders PPG resume and ideal contract for a few years should be enticing enough.

You don't trade Nylander because you have Knies and Robertson because Knies and Robertson haven't done jack shit they don't make Nylander expendable until they actually prove they can do something.

If Knies came in and scored 25 goals then we can talk.

until then having Knies and Robertson doesn't make Nylander expendable.

if you want to talk about Kerfoot, or Mikyehev, or Simmonds that's a different conversation

not Nylander though

 

[TakeTheBody]

I don't understand the Marner hate in this thread. Guy had a great season and I thought played well in the playoffs.

It's not hate. It's salary cap. Matthews is staying and we are stuck with JT. To open up room it's likely Willy or Mitch. Both are excellent players. I chose Mitch because of the year he had. The last 2/3rd's of the season he was elite. If you get elite back at a younger, lower cost. Then reluctantly I choose Mitch.

 

[therealkoho]

Again, how does Nylander put more effort? I think you confuse stat line results and on ice effort. Marner does not shy away and give up on plays and stop moving his feet like Nylander.

I feel like half the fans don't even watch the games lol. I am astonished anyone would think Nylander is anything but the worst player on the team in terms of effort.

You're right it's like people don't watch the games and if they're the stats type, only believe the stats that line up with whatever narrative they happen to support.

It's weird, it's like the Justin Holl thing, if he plays a good solid button down game, is not on for any goals against, and the Leafs happen to win, he never gets a mention. If Holl has the exact same performance in a Leafs loss, somehow the blame(fault) ends up directly in his lap, and Keefe is an idiot to have played him.

Speaking of Holl, the "interference" call was no worse then 3 or 4 ignored interference incidents that happened previously in the game. The incident really made no difference to whether or not JT burys the shot. It was just another unjustified and borderline call, especially as Holl certainly looked like he was turning away from the contact and the Lightning player continued skating into the contact and sold it, just like Hedman sold that high stick. So if anyone deserves "blame" it should fall on the head of an overzealous zebra who was possibly, maybe, probably trying to continue finding ways to give Tampa an edge, and Gary as usual says it's A-OK!

 

[DarkKnight]

No.

 

[therealkoho]

It's not hate. It's salary cap. Matthews is staying and we are stuck with JT. To open up room it's likely Willy or Mitch. Both are excellent players. I chose Mitch because of the year he had. The last 2/3rd's of the season he was elite. If you get elite back at a younger, lower cost. Then reluctantly I choose Mitch.

In the same way you'd get an elite prospect, a pick and a solid role player on a great contract for Will. 90+ point guys like MM don't grow on trees.

Plus I'd like to see another few years of Mikheyev, and cap space makes that possible

 

[Clark4Ever]

No, we should not trade Nylander. We would regret it.

The only core guy I would trade based on value relative to his cap hit is Tavares, but that's not going to happen.

 

[Aashir]

No, we could not replace his talent for the money… we are very close to winning, it should have been over in game 6 with proper referees.
Next year Willy and the boys will be one year better and we’re still gonna be contenders.

I’m sorry, but don’t use the word contender with this team unless you say regular season contender

You can’t be a contender if you aren’t a danger to get out of the first round.

 

[keonsbitterness]

I axe again: trade him where and for what?

 

[Blanche Blanche]

Among our forwards in these playoffs, Matthews had the best on ice goals % and best on ice expected goal %. Nylander was 2nd to Matthews in both categories despite not having another star player on his line so here's a thought - instead of trading him, why don't we try giving him some more minutes?

I was ranting about this a few days ago because Marner at that point was playing 5 more minutes per game than Nylander. Keefe was double shifting Matthews to get him more minutes so why not send out Nylander with him, that would be one hell of a 4th line!

That's my one big criticism of Keefe and I do think that 4 more minutes per game for Nylander could have us preparing for Florida today. Live and learn (I hope).

Keefe has to go.