Should Toronto trade away their 1st and 2nd picks in 2022?

[Dekes For Days]

You must be watching on Netflix., or something.

Nope, watched it all live, and all the data supports what I saw.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Masai Ujiri controversially traded Demar Derozan for 1 year of Kawai Leonard.

The team was already 'very good' and 'could have won' without that trade. Maybe, we'll never know. What we do know is they are champions for all time through the histories. Heralded for being bold.

No I don't think it's exactly the same situation. But there are similarities are there. The risk/reward in sports is real there can only be one winner every year.

The only thing I know for sure it the Leafs D is one Muzzin injury away from looking kind of thin and young come playoff time. I will go one further and say there is no chance at a Stanley Cup without a healthy Muzzin on the team. I am in the camp of trade future assets to bolster the D. That is the right move for this team that is proving they are worthy of risk. The mistakes were the Leafs/Dubas trading picks on previous runs thinking they were good enough and they weren't.

They also moved a 1st for Ibaka the year before

 

[ChickenMcNugget]

They should trade Marner for someone who can actually be clutch in the playoffs.

Go big.

 

[NastyKnies]

No no and no

 

[Confucius]

Sure, but maybe for a good player this time.

Problem is they always think they are getting a good player. I can't remember the last time they went into a trade thinking we will give up our 1st for your crap.

 

[cyris]

They should trade Marner for someone who can actually be clutch in the playoffs.

Go big.

Marner leads the Leafs in playoff points since he joined the team….
So does that mean we should trade the other 3 of the big 4 too?

 

[cupcrazyman]

if it's a fair trade and improves the team... I'm all for it

I'm all in if it leads to a Stanley Cup victory this year.

 

[nuck]

I voted yes but that requires there to be a legitimate chance to improve the club, not a Foligno deal. Depends too on the injury situation and if a player or players go flat in the second half and create a hole where there isnt one right now. If they sold picks last season they will do it again. They have assets outside of picks as well and the window is now.

 

[Jmo89]

No. It's up to this group to get it done.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Problem is they always think they are getting a good player. I can't remember the last time they went into a trade thinking we will give up our 1st for your crap.

Vesa Toskala and Mark Bell

 

[KapG]

This adding players at the deadline thing needs to stop. You go all year developing chemistry with the team only to go and f*** it all up with some late roster additions.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

This adding players at the deadline thing needs to stop. You go all year developing chemistry with the team only to go and f*** it all up with some late roster additions.

Literally every playoff team does that

 

[KapG]

Literally every playoff team does that

so that makes it the right thing to do?

When was the last time it was beneficial to us as a team in the playoffs? We’ve just been wasting picks every year it seems the last little while.

 

[Stigma]

It also depends on the draft. I think this is a very strong year, no? In that case, my answer is "no" unless a very good offer came along. I just looked at the 2015 draft again. My Lord. Insane! Even in round 5 and 6, Mangapiane and Kaprizov were drafted. That draft will turn out to be the best ever, IMO.

2015 NHL Entry Draft - Wikipedia

 

[4thline]

Doubt Leafs keep both picks. Dooblers gonna dooble.

Is "dooble" moron for "build a first place team"?

 

[Griffin76]

It also depends on the draft. I think this is a very strong year, no? In that case, my answer is "no" unless a very good offer came along. I just looked at the 2015 draft again. My Lord. Insane! Even in round 5 and 6, Mangapiane and Kaprizov were drafted. That draft will turn out to be the best ever, IMO.

2015 NHL Entry Draft - Wikipedia

Except for Boston.

 

[Stigma]

Except for Boston.

I'm still shocked by those moves. How did that even happen?! So bizarre.

 

[4thline]

We shouldn't move both. But our system is pretty damn healthy and can handle a major spend. If we could get a 2 year player that makes us better now AND makes next seasons cap situation easier we'd have to look at it.

System demonstration
1st round level assets (10 points) 2022, 2023, Amirov, Robertson, Knies, Niemela
2nd round level assets (5 points) 2022, 2023, Steeves, Tverberg, Kokkonen, Holmberg
3rd round level assets (3 points) 2023, Koster, Kral, SDA, Abbruzezze, Abramov, Rindell, Miettinen, Hirvonen,
Everything else 5 points total

122 points. 30 of them in 3 LW's.

1st + Robby/Amirov is a big swing, but still leaves us with the other + Knies as high end left wings, 3 top 64 picks in this draft and next, and 102/122 (84%) of our short term prospect capital

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

I would stay the course. I dont think it's a good idea to mess with team chemistry going into playoffs. As long as we feel comfortable with our depth at every position going into the playoffs should injuries happen.

 

[Leaf Lander]

For 7 extra games no keep

 

[Fogelhund]

Mikheyev, Holl & 1st
for
Miller @ 50% ret

Engvall & 2nd
for
Chiarot @ 50%

Miller - Matthews - Marner
Kerfoot - Tavares - Nylander
Ritchie - Kampf - Kase
Bunting - Spezza - Simmonds

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Chiarot
Sandin - Liljigren

I like the player, but, no chance of the second trade.


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My personal opinion. We shouldn't trade for a mere rental. A player with term. A good young player perhaps... A Comtois sure. A Braden Schneider, sure. JT Miller @ 50%, sure.

 

[Sniper99]

Just be smart about it this time if you're gonna do it. I know, Smart and Dubas dont go well together but dont trade for broken down Foligno's again. Trade for someone who can actually help us.

 

[Sniper99]

It doesn’t mean they lacked depth and the mental toughness to beat a lottery team in round 1?
Did you see game 7? That was far from a Cup contending team. That was a fragile, broken, scared team.

Last years game 7? Yep I saw a team that quit after game 4 up 3-1. Not sure about scared though.

 

[Duffman955]

No more shitty rentals.

Either add an impact player or stay put.

 

[SHANNYPLAN]

Just be smart about it this time if you're gonna do it. I know, Smart and Dubas dont go well together but dont trade for broken down Foligno's again. Trade for someone who can actually help us.

I dont think Foligno is much better than Clifford at this point