Glad the Rangers didn't take from the NHL Coach recycling pool. I think he's been doing a good job
Should the Rangers fire David Quinn?
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@True Blue Im in 100% agreement with you. And people haven't even been talking about size / physical adjustment, ice time on the PP, his defensive abilities (it's not like coaches reduce TOo for players w defensive lapses), the fact he'll actually need to play defense, etc.
Let's hope we're both wrong, but it's right to be thinking this way.
Let's hope we're both wrong, but it's right to be thinking this way.
Kravtsov420
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Says the guy saying we should be surprised if Lafreniere would hit 50 points when the facts were laid out right before your eyes showing that it is the norm you’re an absolute clown
Once again, I am not sure why you and our ilk simply refuse to answer a question. How many teenagers have played in the NHL? Out of them, how many in their rookie years, scored 50 points in the NHL?
Let me help you. There are exactly 23 teenagers that have scored as many points as you are projecting for Lafreniere. So the percent is not large. Among them are the names of the greatest hockey players that have ever lived. So we can safely exclude Lafreniere from that company. That shrinks the percentage greatly. Oh, wait. That does not count as evidence?
No matter how you slice and dice it, the odds are against it. There is a greater chance that he does not, than he does. Contrary to your view, most teenagers are not ready to be top line players. No one is going to be upset if he has a rookie year like Patrick Marleau as opposed to McDavid. Or....gasp......it resembles a Barkov or a Thorton.
Based off of what?
- Hes more than big/strong enough to play in the NHL. I think most 1OA forwards were smaller/less physically strong than he currently is when they started. He'll be close to, if not over 200 lbs when camp starts. RNH was basically invisible sideways, Hischer was like 180 lbs. Its not like he shies away from the physical stuff anyway.
- PP ice time can 1000% be a factor. I imagine that he'll at least be a staple on the 2nd unit unless the coaches wise up and actually use a lefty in place of strome on the top unit. Whether thats him or Kakko, I don't know. I kind of like the idea of letting Laf run his own show on PP2.
- His defensive abilities are pretty good.
- See the above.
Who he plays with at ES will ultimately have a bigger impact than anything else but this is a highly skilled and motivated 1OA. I don't think they keep him buried on the 3rd line just because they feel like it. He may start there, but something tells me that he plays himself up higher into the lineup pretty quickly.
OrlandK
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Most teams picking first were terrible, which is why they had the # 1 pick, and had a top 6 spot custom fit for their new toy. The Rangers were in a different position and lucked into the pick. We already have 2 superstar forwards and a other top 6 forwards. Given the Kappo experience it would be entirely reasonable to start Laf at Hartford and/or play him on the 3rd line. There is absolutely no need to anoint him a top line forward day 1. It is more likely to slow his growth as help it. This need to quickly have the new presumed prodigy assume the role of savior is ridiculous and self defeating. Next season is likely a development season anyway, as we let the Staal and Smith contracts expire and have our LHD prospects mature.
Laf isn't going to Hartford, lol. He MAY start out on the 3rd line here, but I'm fairly sure he'll be moved up to the top 6 relatively quickly.
JCProdigy
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Don't bother. This is just rinse and repeat at this point. It's been happening since the mid aughts.
Kravtsov420
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If Kirby Dach and Kubalik are good enough to play with Patrick Kane Johnny Toews, why isn’t Alexi Lafreniere good enough to play with Panarin? It’s trolling at this point. It’s just disguised trolling.
Kravtsov420
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You get what I’m saying, so stop being facetious. It doesn’t make my points and the ones that were presented to you earlier any less true.
Nor does what I said to you. The numbers are facts.
What I cannot understand how you seem to be legitimately insulted that I am not writing in 50 points for him. What is it to you?
On where he plays, unfortunately if you want for him to play with Panarin, then one of them needs to switch positions. So that looks to be out of the question. If you want for him to play with ZBad, then he has to overtake Kreider. Which he will probably do at some point, but not this year. Nor probably for a while.
Laf is going to make this team out of camp but the only thing that's going to dictate where he plays and how much ice time he gets is his defense and how he plays away from the puck so I'm not sure why you're arguing over point totals.
If he doesn't get on the score sheet right away, he certainly will at some point in the near future.
If he doesn't get on the score sheet right away, he certainly will at some point in the near future.
Larrybiv
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Thinking to figure out exactly what he's done wrong to deserve getting fired. HF not agreeing with some of his player usages or his defensive schemes isnt a legit reason to fire the man. Now, fast forward 3 more years and we havent made the PO's......well then buh bye. (Hell, even 2) I like Quinn, his demeanor, his pressers, his attire, his obvious hard work with a very young club and using a Torts phrase; "trying to find our way". For the most part, he's taken a broken team, (Gorton's been getting him better horses) but it's been Quinn and all his ways getting these kids to buy into the system and PROGRESS. Get better every day, every game. No lazy players on this team, accountability is more present than with our last "winner" 
He stays for at least another 2 years. It would be unfair NOT to give him the opportunity with the wealth of talent soon coming AND the extra years experience we just had. Winning a Cup with him at the helm, would be just desserts.
He stays for at least another 2 years. It would be unfair NOT to give him the opportunity with the wealth of talent soon coming AND the extra years experience we just had. Winning a Cup with him at the helm, would be just desserts.
LiveLongandProspal
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We know Quinn needs to prove he can win and win now. If we don't make the playoffs or have another performance like we did against the Hurricanes, he's as good as gone. Actually, wouldn't be surprised if he gets canned if we struggle out of the gate.
Almost as important as winning is developing both Kakko and Laf. Kakko MUST be better than he was his rookie year. Before Laf, Kakko was the golden goose. He was the best prospect this team ever had. He HAS TO develop into a superstar and a cornerstone franchise player. If he doesn't, JD and Gorton will find a coach who can help develop him.
Almost as important as winning is developing both Kakko and Laf. Kakko MUST be better than he was his rookie year. Before Laf, Kakko was the golden goose. He was the best prospect this team ever had. He HAS TO develop into a superstar and a cornerstone franchise player. If he doesn't, JD and Gorton will find a coach who can help develop him.
we don't know that at all...there are fans with zero patience that think that but there is zero indication from the rangers that they are unhappy with quinn or have any doubts about him.
JCProdigy
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I don't know what Laf will end up doing. Heck I don't even know what the next season is going to look like but I was interested so lets expand a little bit.
I wanted to see how teenagers (18-19 year olds) in general performed playing in the NHL. So went back over the last ten seasons (10-11 thru 19-20) and took the universe of all teen forwards who played at least 20 games for their team in that season. I'm more interested in scoring rate than total points per season for, I think, obvious reasons:
Total number of players = 82
A low of 6 in one season (18-19) and a high of 10 in another (16-17) but mostly was 8 or 9 players each year.
Total number of games played = 5049
Total number of points accumulated = 2429
Points per game = 0.48 (50 pts in 82 games is a 0.61 rate)
That comes out to 39 points in an 82 game season for the average teenage performance.
With the caveat of PP time and playing regular minutes on the top three lines, is it outlandish to see Lafreniere with his pedigree/comps from scouts and NHL execs (Below McDavid, on tier with Hall/Tavares/Matthews) being 0.13 ppg better than the average teen player? I don't think so but I guess we'll see.
....oh and watch them do something dumb and not draft Lafreniere.
....double oh. To keep it related to Quinn. Quinn shouldn't be fired and he'll probably start Lafreniere at 3rd line LW next to Chytil and on the 2nd PP unit. Wouldn't be surprised if he tinkered with Laf at 1st line LW with Kreider shifting over to the RW side of ZBad if he's comfy, as well as 1st PP time.
Players still don't know their positioning or where to play and they're running around chasing every single play.
How about we have someone come in and actually teach these kids the right way to play from the get-go instead of waiting a few years when they'll end up having to re-learn everything under a different coach?
It's always 1 step fwd and 3 steps backwards..
How about we have someone come in and actually teach these kids the right way to play from the get-go instead of waiting a few years when they'll end up having to re-learn everything under a different coach?
It's always 1 step fwd and 3 steps backwards..
Larrybiv
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Think you hit on something here. Continuity with this young team is a MUST. For many on this team, Quinn is their 1st NHL head coach, and firing him for what can be perceived as "for no good damned reason", really might set the team back psychologically for those on the team that like Quinn.
IMHO.
Completely agree. There's something to be said about a head coach continuing to grow and develop alongside the players from the beginning of a rebuild.
Larrybiv
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Are Devils fans believing Hughes is a bust? Same for Kakko? Whatever production Laf brings, (and we may or may NOT be surprised) we all need to get real, and understand everything that is involved. Patience baby, we will be enjoying some very exciting hockey very soon. Just IMAGINE ANYTHING comparable to the highlight reel stuff that Edmonton fans get to see with their stars. How kewl will that be?
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Larrybiv
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Furthermore if I were head coach you know a Surefire way of gaining the respect of your players? You have to understand that Quinn is learning as well, right? Well I am pretty damn sure there have been a few times where Quinn (in the room) has admitted that he made a bad mistake. The players at that point, would fully realize that Quinn is human just like they are, and people make mistakes. Instant Respect.
Chytilmania
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Agreed and you forgot with Lundqvist on the way out we need someone to take over as Mr. Handsome.Thinking to figure out exactly what he's done wrong to deserve getting fired. HF not agreeing with some of his player usages or his defensive schemes isnt a legit reason to fire the man. Now, fast forward 3 more years and we havent made the PO's......well then buh bye. (Hell, even 2) I like Quinn, his demeanor, his pressers, his attire, his obvious hard work with a very young club and using a Torts phrase; "trying to find our way". For the most part, he's taken a broken team, (Gorton's been getting him better horses) but it's been Quinn and all his ways getting these kids to buy into the system and PROGRESS. Get better every day, every game. No lazy players on this team, accountability is more present than with our last "winner"
I don't know if he did it this season, but I love how he would take rookies like Chytil and Howden out to breakfast on game days and spend time with them. That goes a long way. Even if his role ends up being developing the young guys for 3-4 years and we go in another direction later it's an important role.
HFsNumber1Heel
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Next year will say a lot. The sexy thing to do is can him and hire Laviolette or Gallant with their success and before the Captials hire one and Kraken hire the other.
HOWEVER, lets see if the team can improve defensively, stop with the 700 too many men penalties, comes to games more engaged with their cup of Joe, can score at least one-two goals with a goalie pulled, improve the PK, adjust better in games, and most importantly, stop with the one dimensional power play zone entry of one guy skating and just leaving the puck for the skater behind him who is building momentum.
The playoffs they at least didn't give up like 90 shot attempts each game. That's a slight improvement.
HOWEVER, lets see if the team can improve defensively, stop with the 700 too many men penalties, comes to games more engaged with their cup of Joe, can score at least one-two goals with a goalie pulled, improve the PK, adjust better in games, and most importantly, stop with the one dimensional power play zone entry of one guy skating and just leaving the puck for the skater behind him who is building momentum.
The playoffs they at least didn't give up like 90 shot attempts each game. That's a slight improvement.
