Should the Rangers fire David Quinn?

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I didn't make the Huberdeau comparison - it's being made by multiple scouts more knowledgeable than I am. Huberdeau is a hell is a player, and 2011 was a very deep draft.

I hope Laf scores 100 points his rookie year, but realistically half of that would be a great season. He's going to be playing sheltered minutes, at least to start, behind one of the top wingers in the league. Some fans expectations are WAYYYY too high. Expect a realistic result, hope for a better one, and anything on top of that is gravy.

No one is saying he’s going to score 100 in his rookie year. Most people are saying around 50 points, which is entirely reasonable for a prospect of Lafreniere’s caliber.

 

[Thordic]

No one is saying he’s going to score 100 in his rookie year. Most people are saying around 50 points, which is entirely reasonable for a prospect of Lafreniere’s caliber.

Agreed, but 40 points wouldnt make him a bust. And you know of he does put up 40 there will be a bunch of Rangers fans saying he's a bust.

 

[BlueSeats]

Which would be as much of a joke as this thread.

 

[BroadwayStorm]

He'll coach another year, a full year and well see if he is capable of fixing the defensive scheme.

 

[NYR]

He'll coach another year, a full year and well see if he is capable of fixing the defensive scheme.

How long does it take??

 

[Leetch3]

How long does it take??

you can't give a coach a team with 2/3 of the left side of the blueline being marc staal and brendan smith and then turn around and be like 'why is it taking so long to be good defensively?' lol

 

[True Blue]

No one is saying he’s going to score 100 in his rookie year. Most people are saying around 50 points, which is entirely reasonable for a prospect of Lafreniere’s caliber.

It is reasonable to expect a scenario where history tells you that it is far more likely than not that it will not occur?

We can all certainly hope so, but asking a teenager to produce as if he is a legit top liner as soon as he steps a toe onto NHL ice is road that is paved with disappointment.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

It is reasonable to expect a scenario where history tells you that it is far more likely than not that it will not occur?

We can all certainly hope so, but asking a teenager to produce as if he is a legit top liner as soon as he steps a toe onto NHL ice is road that is paved with disappointment.

Lafreniere isn’t some random teenager dude.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

My choice to replace Quinn would be Gerard Gallant. Gallant’s philosophy in allowing on ice mistakes not to be punished with benching makes sense when developing young players. He believes if you bench a player that makes an on-ice gaffe that the next time that player is on the ice he the player will play scared. Hire Gallant and we will get to watch our talented youth learn and develop keep Quinn and run the risk of more Ryan Graves, Kravtsov, Kaapo Kakko and Lias Anderson’s.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Last 10 first overall forwards and their rookie season production

Jack Hughes: 21 points in 61 games
Nico Hischier: 52 points in 82 games
Auston Matthews: 69 points in 82 games
Connor McDavid: 48 points in 45 points
Nathan MacKinnon: 63 points in 82 games
Nail Yakupov: 31 points in 48 games (lockout season)
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins: 52 points in 62 games
Taylor Hall: 42 points in 65 points
John Tavares: 54 points in 82 games
Steven Stamkos: 46 points in 79 games

it’s super rare and never happens tho

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

It is reasonable to expect a scenario where history tells you that it is far more likely than not that it will not occur?

We can all certainly hope so, but asking a teenager to produce as if he is a legit top liner as soon as he steps a toe onto NHL ice is road that is paved with disappointment.

Every single 1OA forward except for Stamkos (who was close) and Jack Hughes has either broken or paced for 50+ points (Hall had his season cut short due to injury and Yakupov had 31 in 48 during the lockout shortened 2013 season) since the 2005 lock out.

History actually suggests that it's more likely to occur. When more mediocre 1 OA's like RNH and Nico Hischer (who okay, was carried by MVP Hall) are able to eclipse that number, I don't think it's insane to think that Lafrienere to do it as well as long as he stays on the ice and the NHL plays a full season.

He also has the luxury of starting his career on a team that isn't a bottom feeder. Now perhaps this hurts him as he won't get prime top 6 minutes and PP1 time off the bat, but I doubt that he's going to be getting 8 minutes a night. Even in a 3rd line situation, he's going to walk into a better situation than most of the aforementioned players.

 

[True Blue]

Lafreniere isn’t some random teenager dude.

That has absolutely nothing to do with him being an actual teenager and expecting him to produce like a top line player instantly

 

[True Blue]

He also has the luxury of starting his career on a team that isn't a bottom feeder. Now perhaps this hurts him as he won't get prime top 6 minutes and PP1 time off the bat, but I doubt that he's going to be getting 8 minutes a night. Even in a 3rd line situation, he's going to walk into a better situation than most of the aforementioned players.

No doubt. But I am still not betting on a teen producing like a top liner. But will of course hope so.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

That has absolutely nothing to do with him being an actual teenager and expecting him to produce like a top line player instantly

He’s the first overall pick. He isn’t a typical teenaged player, you’re just using the one possible thing you can to downplay him because you are the most negative poster on this board, and everything points to you being wrong, so you’ll just cling to “he’s a teenager!!” even though it’s basically irrelevant with regards to statistical production when talking about players of this caliber. And you’ll also literally ignore and cut out of the portion of @GoAwayStaal ‘s post that proves history is against your viewpoint, and my post showing the production of every other teenaged first overall pick. All for the sake of appearing to be some bastion of rationality on a board for Rangers fans.

 

[GordonGecko]

this thread is morons on parade

 

[True Blue]

He’s the first overall pick. He isn’t a typical teenaged player, you’re just using the one possible thing you can to downplay him because you are the most negative poster on this board, and everything points to you being wrong, so you’ll just cling to “he’s a teenager!!” even though it’s basically irrelevant with regards to statistical production when talking about players of this caliber.

A teen aged hockey player is just that.

And yeah, I am simply downplaying him just to be negative. Right. You seem genuinely offended that I am simply pointing out reality to you. Here is a solution? Find sand. Stick head in.

And you’ll also literally ignore and cut out of the portion of @GoAwayStaal ‘s post that proves history is against your viewpoint, and my post showing the production of every other teenaged first overall pick. All for the sake of appearing to be some bastion of rationality on a board for Rangers fans.

In the entire history of the NHL, how many teenagers have played a full season? Out of those, who many gave you 50 points?

Here's a question for you. What do the names like Patric Stefan, Alexander Daigle or Brian Lawton have in common? Now answer this. What do names like Kakko or Barkov have in common?

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

A teen aged hockey player is just that.

And yeah, I am simply downplaying him just to be negative. Right. You seem genuinely offended that I am simply pointing out reality to you. Here is a solution? Find sand. Stick head in.

In the entire history of the NHL, how many teenagers have played a full season? Out of those, who many gave you 50 points?

Here's a question for you. What do the names like Patric Stefan, Alexander Daigle or Brian Lawton have in common? Now answer this. What do names like Kakko or Barkov have in common?

I’d rather stick my head in the sand than invoke names like Stefan/Daigle/Lawton to prove why our 1st 1st overall pick in 55 years will struggle out of the gate.

I showed you why expecting Laf to score 50 isn’t unreasonable, and you invoke the most EXTREME examples of first overall picks to show why it is unreasonable. It’s just sad

Can’t you be optimistic for once? Just one time can you make a potentially wrong proclamation like a normal fan? Or do you always have to saddle the fence and play the doubter?

 

[True Blue]

I’d rather stick my head in the sand than invoke names like Stefan/Daigle/Lawton to prove why our 1st 1st overall pick in 55 years will struggle out of the gate.

I showed you why expecting Laf to score 50 isn’t unreasonable, and you invoke the most EXTREME examples of first overall picks to show why it is unreasonable. It’s just sad

Can’t you be optimistic for once? Just one time can you make a potentially wrong proclamation like a normal fan? Or do you always have to saddle the fence and play the doubter?

Try to spit some sand out every now and then.

There is a bit of difference between being reasonable in your belief and preaching a certain probability dogma.

I am optimistic. I am also just realistic and have seen more than enough in my time watching the NHL and the Rangers to be willing to dig in the same sand pile as you.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Try to spit some sand out every now and then.

There is a bit of difference between being reasonable in your belief and preaching a certain probability dogma.

I am optimistic. I am also just realistic and have seen more than enough in my time watching the NHL and the Rangers to be willing to dig in the same sand pile as you.

Ok Debbie have fun downplaying our future franchise player this offseason

 

[True Blue]

Ok Debbie have fun downplaying our future franchise player this offseason

This would not be so funny were it not so pathetic. Sorry, really. No offense.

 

[NYR]

you can't give a coach a team with 2/3 of the left side of the blueline being marc staal and brendan smith and then turn around and be like 'why is it taking so long to be good defensively?' lol

You don't have to be a world- beater to play in a structured system.

Those players also effect the offense so it goes down both ways of the ice.

This system, or lack thereof doesn't work nor will it moving fwd.

 

[Kravtsov420]

He’s the first overall pick. He isn’t a typical teenaged player, you’re just using the one possible thing you can to downplay him because you are the most negative poster on this board, and everything points to you being wrong, so you’ll just cling to “he’s a teenager!!” even though it’s basically irrelevant with regards to statistical production when talking about players of this caliber. And you’ll also literally ignore and cut out of the portion of @GoAwayStaal ‘s post that proves history is against your viewpoint, and my post showing the production of every other teenaged first overall pick. All for the sake of appearing to be some bastion of rationality on a board for Rangers fans.

I would rather take a sodding iron to my balls than have to read TBs diarrhea. He’s literally ignoring the irrefutable evidence directly disproving his theory for some holier than though bs to make his dick feel hard and make it seem like he has some semblance of what is going on.

 

[NYR]

My choice to replace Quinn would be Gerard Gallant. Gallant’s philosophy in allowing on ice mistakes not to be punished with benching makes sense when developing young players. He believes if you bench a player that makes an on-ice gaffe that the next time that player is on the ice he the player will play scared. Hire Gallant and we will get to watch our talented youth learn and develop keep Quinn and run the risk of more Ryan Graves, Kravtsov, Kaapo Kakko and Lias Anderson’s.

Laviolette all day long for me.
He's brought 3 different teams to the finals..

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

Laviolette all day long for me.
He's brought 3 different teams to the finals..

I'd be fine with either Gallant or Laviolette.

One name that is intriguing is Joel Quenneville. If the Panthers eventually tear it completely down and trade both Barkov and Huberdeau, then I can see Quenneville not wanting to stick around there. He's one of the best coaches ever and is very experienced with the winger type offense he showed in Chicago (where centers didn't really play much a factor aside from Toews), and where the Rangers currently have a lot of potential skill right now.

 

[True Blue]

I would rather take a sodding iron to my balls than have to read TBs diarrhea. He’s literally ignoring the irrefutable evidence directly disproving his theory for some holier than though bs to make his dick feel hard and make it seem like he has some semblance of what is going on.

How did I miss this little gem?

I'm sorry, who are you again? Not that it really matters as I see your astute analysis can only be matched by the level of your intellect.