Should the Rangers fire David Quinn?

[Doctyl]

I seriously feel like we're starting to get more "Facebook Fans" on HFBoards than we used to.

Huberdeau is often listed as the comparable for Laf. Huberdeau averaged a little over .5 PPG his first few seasons. Even if Laf benefits from better teammates, 50 points next year would be fantastic if we play 80 games. People are acting like he's going to be putting up a point per game as a rookie. Can't wait to hear the "bust!" comments when he has 10 points after 20 games.

Laf has better production than Huberdeau’s D+1 year in the Q. Also I have not heard Huberdeau as a comparison before

by golden ticket I mean having a 1OA pick on an ELC. Those are very valuable years

 

[Doctyl]

It seems Laf is on a different tier than Kakko and Kravstov, though. A lot of people believe that 50 points can be his minimum next season (assuming next season happens that is). It does help that Laf is already adapt to the NA style of hockey and no issue with a language barrier (unlike Kakko in his rookie season).

Miserable posters want to be miserable. There’s nothing that can change a mindset

 

[True Blue]

It seems Laf is on a different tier than Kakko and Kravstov, though.

That changes absolutely nothing. Look at the amount of times a teenager has scored that much in their rookie year.

A lot of people believe that 50 points can be his minimum next season (assuming next season happens that is). It does help that Laf is already adapt to the NA style of hockey and no issue with a language barrier (unlike Kakko in his rookie season).

Then a lot of people are setting themselves up for bitter disappointment when he does not come up with first line production. Then the conversation will turn to how he was ruined by Quinn or not given a fair chance or how he is a bust to begin with.

 

[Leetch3]

That changes absolutely nothing. Look at the amount of times a teenager has scored that much in their rookie year.

Then a lot of people are setting themselves up for bitter disappointment when he does not come up with first line production. Then the conversation will turn to how he was ruined by Quinn or not given a fair chance or how he is a bust to begin with.

no different than kakko last year

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I would be shocked if he put up 50 points. This is like last year when Kakko was going to get 50 points and Kravstov was going to make an impact.

He’s older than Kakko, more adjusted you the N.A. game than Kakko, and is considered a tier above him as a prospect.

i know you’re the forums wet blanket but can you just act like a fan for once instead of “the straight guy”

 

[True Blue]

no different than kakko last year

Exactlyy

 

[True Blue]

He’s older than Kakko, more adjusted you the N.A. game than Kakko, and is considered a tier above him as a prospect.

i know you’re the forums wet blanket but can you just act like a fan for once instead of “the straight guy”

Oh, sorry. I need to bury my head in the sand and pretend that something that happens extremely rarely is suddenly a lock.

Call it what you want. Reality is reality.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

He’s older than Kakko, more adjusted you the N.A. game than Kakko, and is considered a tier above him as a prospect.

i know you’re the forums wet blanket but can you just act like a fan for once instead of “the straight guy”

He doesn't have it in him lol

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

no different than kakko last year

Laf is a different tier and different circumstances than Kakko.

 

[True Blue]

Laf is a different tier and different circumstances than Kakko.

Oh, yeah. This time it will be different.

 

[FinRanger]

Get someone more qualified. This team has too much potential to mess around with someone with no history of success or experience. It's so strange to me that this guy for whatever reason has such a cult following while Torts and AV were run out of town. Both of those guys can coach and continue to have success on different teams.

Get Kari Jalonen from Finland. He is the best coach in the world. I think Quinn is all talk and no substance. And by substance I mean not a good coach with tactics etc. He is a good speaker etc. but I don't think he is the smartest guy in the room. Will see. I think he should coach next season and then fired if the team game is still sloppy.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

Oh, yeah. This time it will be different.

Lol, quit acting like it's THAT unheard of.

The players that have done it in recent years are Laine, Matthews, Kane a little over a decade ago, McDavid, Hischier, Draisaitl, etc.

If Laf is supposed to be in that tier of players, then it's not unheard of that he can get 50 points minimum his rookie season. Now, he may very well not do so, and it won't mean he's a bust.

 

[Kravtsov420]

I would be shocked if he put up 50 points. This is like last year when Kakko was going to get 50 points and Kravstov was going to make an impact.

Some of the things you say are just baffling to me. You would be shocked if he put up 50 points? Well you shouldn’t be. When other teams have kids like Dach and Kubalik, and integrating their young players into top 6 roles, and they’re putting up points, there’s legitimately no reason why he can’t put up at least 50. I’m sorry but Matthew Barzal with only John Tavares put up 80 points as a rookie. Now I’m not saying he’s going to put up 80, but if he’s playing with our best players (which he 100% should be pending Quinn, because who knows, he might not like the heart rate or “intentions”, or might choose to include Ryan strome and Jesper fast in the top 6) there’s nothing you could say that could convince me that should indicate he shouldn’t get at least 50. And no I’m not putting some lofty expectations on him, I’m just being realistic. Idk what it is with you and the rest of your camp that you limit what these kids could do if they were put in a position to succeed.

And the point you made about Kakko, well everyone likes to say he wasn’t ready, blah blah, but he would have had at least 20 more points if he was played in the top 6 and played on the power play the entire year instead of Clown opting for Ryan Strome on the power play.

Your camp continues to say “player xx isn’t ready” or “player x can’t be in the top 6 getting those minutes” really before the player gets a chance to show what they can do. They need the opportunity, and David Quinn is the sole factor on who determines that. And there’s no secret he’s been inconsistent with on how the opportunity is earned (i.e., see “good intentions” Howden vs Kakko treatment, Kravtsov heartbeat monitor situation, Anderson situation. All I got to say is that if Laf and Kakko are not getting proper minutes this year - your boy won’t be here much longer.

I usually respect the opinions of others, as I understand there are many avenues of looking at things. Your takes, more often than not, are just straight dookie juice. Sorry dog.

 

[True Blue]

Lol, quit acting like it's THAT unheard of.

The players that have done it in recent years are Laine, Matthews, Kane a little over a decade ago, McDavid, Hischier, Draisaitl, etc.

If Laf is supposed to be in that tier of players, then it's not unheard of that he can get 50 points minimum his rookie season. Now, he may very well not do so, and it won't mean he's a bust.

Is it unheard of? Clearly not. Is it extremely rare? Absolutely. Look at how many teenagers have played in NHL. Now look at how many times it has been done.

And there are tiers and there are tiers. So let's remove the McDavid's (a true generational talent) and Kanes (perhaps the greatest American forward ever) from the equation shall we?

And no one says that he is a bust if he does not. Just like Kakko is not

 

[True Blue]

Some of the things you say are just baffling to me. You would be shocked if he put up 50 points? Well you shouldn’t be.

Yes, shocked. Why not look up how many teenagers have ever done it? Then consider that 50 points makes you a top liner. Now, do the math of how many teen-aged top liners there are in the NHL.

When other teams have kids like Dach and Kubalik, and integrating their young players into top 6 roles, and they’re putting up points, there’s legitimately no reason why he can’t put up at least 50. I’m sorry but Matthew Barzal with only John Tavares put up 80 points as a rookie. Now I’m not saying he’s going to put up 80, but if he’s playing with our best players (which he 100% should be pending Quinn, because who knows, he might not like the heart rate or “intentions”, or might choose to include Ryan strome and Jesper fast in the top 6) there’s nothing you could say that could convince me that should indicate he shouldn’t get at least 50. And no I’m not putting some lofty expectations on him, I’m just being realistic. Idk what it is with you and the rest of your camp that you limit what these kids could do if they were put in a position to succeed.

Oh, I don't know. Barkov....Kakko......Thorton.....they all call to say high. So does virtually all other teenager to play in the league.

And the point you made about Kakko, well everyone likes to say he wasn’t ready, blah blah, but he would have had at least 20 more points if he was played in the top 6 and played on the power play the entire year instead of Clown opting for Ryan Strome on the power play.

Yawn.......Wake me up when you can point to one single item that says that Kakko should have been on the second line.
Your camp continues to say “player xx isn’t ready” or “player x can’t be in the top 6 getting those minutes” really before the player gets a chance to show what they can do. They need the opportunity, and

David Quinn is the sole factor on who determines that. And there’s no secret he’s been inconsistent with on how the opportunity is earned (i.e., see “good intentions” Howden vs Kakko treatment, Kravtsov heartbeat monitor situation, Anderson situation. All I got to say is that if Laf and Kakko are not getting proper minutes this year - your boy won’t be here much longer.

Oh, it is all Quinn's fault. How original.

I usually respect the opinions of others, as I understand there are many avenues of looking at things. Your takes, more often than not, are just straight dookie juice. Sorry dog.

Do I need to define "irony" for you?

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

It must be miserable being TB lol

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I seriously feel like we're starting to get more "Facebook Fans" on HFBoards than we used to.

Huberdeau is often listed as the comparable for Laf. Huberdeau averaged a little over .5 PPG his first few seasons. Even if Laf benefits from better teammates, 50 points next year would be fantastic if we play 80 games. People are acting like he's going to be putting up a point per game as a rookie. Can't wait to hear the "bust!" comments when he has 10 points after 20 games.

Hischier scores 50 points as a rookie. I don’t think it’s too much to ask.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I seriously feel like we're starting to get more "Facebook Fans" on HFBoards than we used to.

Huberdeau is often listed as the comparable for Laf. Huberdeau averaged a little over .5 PPG his first few seasons. Even if Laf benefits from better teammates, 50 points next year would be fantastic if we play 80 games. People are acting like he's going to be putting up a point per game as a rookie. Can't wait to hear the "bust!" comments when he has 10 points after 20 games.

Huberdeau was the third overall pick in his draft, and Laf is considered better than both Hall and Seguin.

This just sounds like anti hype for the sake of it. We just won the 1st overall pick in a year where the guy at the top is considered a legitimate franchise talent. Live a little.

 

[Leetch3]

Laf is a different tier and different circumstances than Kakko.

word for word what was said last year about kakko...IMO its better to keep rookie expectations lower and realistic and then be pleasantly surprised if they jump in seamlessly rather than setting the bar super high and setting it up to seem disappointing.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

word for word what was said last year about kakko...IMO its better to keep rookie expectations lower and realistic and then be pleasantly surprised if they jump in seamlessly rather than setting the bar super high and setting it up to seem disappointing.

Laf as a whole seems to be a better prospect than even what Kakko was. Laf is also already accustomed to the NA style of hockey and doesn't have the language barrier issue that Kakko had last year.

My expectations are somewhat high, but I also won't sour on him if he doesn't match it.

 

[True Blue]

It must be miserable being TB lol

Not at all

 

[Leetch3]

Laf as a whole seems to be a better prospect than even what Kakko was. Laf is also already accustomed to the NA style of hockey and doesn't have the language barrier issue that Kakko had last year.

My expectations are somewhat high, but I also won't sour on him if he doesn't match it.

again the same thing word for word was said last year about kakko. kakko was a whole different thing on a different level then anyone before....i'm as excited as everyone right now but this kid isn't even 19 yet. tons of star players took a couple years to put it together...

and don't get me wrong i'm ready to put the kid on the top line with mika and be like let's go!! so i'm not doubting his potential, i just think that sometimes fans can get ahead of themselves thinking about what young players will be in their prime and think they will be that good from day 1. if he struggles a bit or starts on the 3rd line, i wouldn't be shocked either

 

[True Blue]

Hischier scores 50 points as a rookie. I don’t think it’s too much to ask.

Were it that easy, it would have been done much more often. Again, look at all of the teenagers that have ever played. And then look at the amount of times it has been done. May I remind you of how Barkov fared in his first few years?

Is it impossible? Clearly not, but the odds are against it. So is it too much to ask? No, you can ask for anything you want. But expecting a result that statistically speaking the odds are against, may be too much to expect.

 

[Thordic]

Huberdeau was the third overall pick in his draft, and Laf is considered better than both Hall and Seguin.

This just sounds like anti hype for the sake of it. We just won the 1st overall pick in a year where the guy at the top is considered a legitimate franchise talent. Live a little.

I didn't make the Huberdeau comparison - it's being made by multiple scouts more knowledgeable than I am. Huberdeau is a hell is a player, and 2011 was a very deep draft.

I hope Laf scores 100 points his rookie year, but realistically half of that would be a great season. He's going to be playing sheltered minutes, at least to start, behind one of the top wingers in the league. Some fans expectations are WAYYYY too high. Expect a realistic result, hope for a better one, and anything on top of that is gravy.

 

[Thordic]

Hischier scores 50 points as a rookie. I don’t think it’s too much to ask.

It's not. 50 would be nice but isn't unrealistic. But Hischier also played a decent amount of minutes on a team with very little offense outside of Hall so he had to carry a big load. Laf has plenty of weapons around him, which could hinder (or help, depending on how things go) with regard to his points. Lots more competition for ice time and offense, but also better players to work with if he ends up playing wing with Mika for example. Feeding assists to Zibby all year could have a big impact.