Should the Rangers fire David Quinn?

[NYRFANMANI]

afaic Quinn doesn't have enough to work with, to assess him properly.

I'm not over the moon though. Can't tell if his coaching was bailed out by Zibs and Breaddude.

It's been "aight".

 

[True Blue]

Unless injuries take a toll on the roster, I bet you it would be.

You don't spend all that money on Trouba, Panarin and Kreider to just narrowly miss the playoffs. They're going to make at least 1 big move this offseason (be that extending DeAngelo, trading DeAngelo, something else) where I would imagine a big influx of dollars will be shelled out again. It's not fair, but when the FO starts doing what it can to accelerate the rebuild, the results need to come along with it and the coach almost always goes before management starts to get axed.

There are coaches who could have done a better job with this roster, but that doesn't mean that Quinn should lose his job. There was both good and bad from him this season but as you said, its a learning process for him too. As long as he learns from his mistakes and changes things that aren't working, he'll be safe. If he continues to try to outsmart the league by using the same system and running Staal out there, we'll be talking about how his replacement fits in a year from now.

Staal may well be a case where there is no one better.

I do believe that the clock starts to tick, but a largely similar roster and this team is pretty much a bubble team next year. As such, as long as they keep taking steps forward, I believe that he is safe beyond next year.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Staal may well be a case where there is no one better.

I do believe that the clock starts to tick, but a largely similar roster and this team is pretty much a bubble team next year. As such, as long as they keep taking steps forward, I believe that he is safe beyond next year.

There is, you can easily sign a vet to league minimum who would outperform him significantly.

I heard this all year in regards to Smith who played forward almost the entire season, switched to D and basically looked like the second coming of Lidstrom compared to Staal.

He only plays because management and coaching allow it. It's why Smith played forward despite being a better option to play as a 6th D (pre Skjei trade.)

 

[True Blue]

There is, you can easily sign a vet to league minimum who would outperform him significantly.

I heard this all year in regards to Smith who played forward almost the entire season, switched to D and basically looked like the second coming of Lidstrom compared to Staal.

He only plays because management and coaching allow it. It's why Smith played forward despite being a better option to play as a 6th D (pre Skjei trade.)

I think you forget just how dreadful Smith played the previous year.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I think you forget just how dreadful Smith played the previous year.

He was wayyyy better than Staal in 18-19.

Even out of shape Smith (which was the season the letter went out) was better than Staal.

 

[Thordic]

Rangers fans are the worst but usually here is better than Facebook. This is the kind of crap I expect from Facebook Rangers fans. Hell no we don't fire him. The guy has done everything we have asked from him and more. The team signed up for a rebuild. Those don't happen overnight. He isn't a perfect coach but he has everyone moving in the right direction. Our top guys played great all year. Our offense is firing on all cylinders. Half our defense is still a tire fire.

The play-in round was a clusterf**k but I give him a pass on that. Carolina was clearly the better team, and we've seen better teams than the Rangers eliminated by worse teams than the Canes (Pittsburgh anyone?)

This team has to earn a spot in the playoffs before they start thinking about whether or not Quinn is a playoff coach. The Tom Renney comparison is spot-on. You need developmental coaches at times.

Gallant is a great coach, but he may not be a great coach for us right now.

Stick with Quinn. Kakko looks to have taken great strides, Gauthier as well in a short time. Fox had a great year. Tony D seemed to finally realize his potential. Quinn has been effective with the young guys. Get over his love affair with Howden and look at the big picture. He's setting this team up for another decade of success if we play our cards right. Renney built the last squad, and it paid dividends for years.

 

[effen]

You fire Quinn after the coming year if he can't mold the culture enough into a team able to play, for lack of a better term, man hockey.

The team was embarrassingly timid at times to start the year and looked like crap a lot. Before the break they looked a million times more cohesive and a lot less frightened to claim space and own the ice. In the Carolina series, they were embarrassingly timid at times and looked like crap a lot... In the short term, that's all the players. In the long term, that's the coach.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Quinn now not only no longer has the Lindy Ruff excuse he's going to have a first overall pick and probably 2/3 other rookies (I'm assuming Barron and one of Robertson or K. Miller starts the season with the Varsity Squad).

He has to show progress or else he won't be here after next season.

 

[stan the caddy]

Get someone more qualified. This team has too much potential to mess around with someone with no history of success or experience. It's so strange to me that this guy for whatever reason has such a cult following while Torts and AV were run out of town. Both of those guys can coach and continue to have success on different teams.

 

[Chytilmania]

One of the youngest teams just got younger, and will get even younger when Smith, Hank and Staal come off the books. I still think Quinn is the guy to help development them. We just want to see some improvement in areas as well as less Howden.

Kreider-Zib-Buch
Panarin-Strome/?-Kakko
Laf-Chytil-VK
Lemieux-Barron-Gauthier
Henrickson

Lindgren-Fox
Nils-Trouba
Miller-ADA
Robertson-Jones

Igor

Plus we have this year's 1st and Georgiev...we need to move our surplus D and Georgiev along with our first or future first for a C whether it's a prospect or player. Going to be hard to fit the young defensemen in the lineup and I'm sure we're going to want vets out there as well.

 

[Mikos87]

Does getting Lafreniere change your answer to the poll?

 

[Nyr88nyg]

He showed nothing in the playoffs so goodbye.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Fire him quick before he ruins Lafreniere!

 

[Loff]

Quinn has done the job he probably was hired for, which was getting us two lottery picks.

Thanks for that. But it's time to go now Davey boi.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Saw this comment from a devils fan on Reddit

"Oh, and their coach is basically John Hynes but with human hair and gorgeous eyes."

 

[Doctyl]

Does getting Lafreniere change your answer to the poll?

Anything less than playoffs this year and he should be canned. The window is opening. Mika, Kreider, Panarin are in their prime. Igor, Fox, and ADA are legit. Kakko and Chytil hopefully take steps forward. Laf is the golden ticket to put this team over the top in the next few season. Hopefully Kravtsov puts it together too.

If we don’t comfortably make the playoffs next year, it’s absolutely a failure.

 

[Edge]

Anything less than playoffs this year and he should be canned. The window is opening. Mika, Kreider, Panarin are in their prime. Igor, Fox, and ADA are legit. Kakko and Chytil hopefully take steps forward. Laf is the golden ticket to put this team over the top in the next few season. Hopefully Kravtsov puts it together too.

If we don’t comfortably make the playoffs next year, it’s absolutely a failure.

Still some glaring holes on this roster. The LD is going to be brutal if they can’t shore it up. The right wings have more promise than results right now, and center isn’t a strong point.

This team’s success could very come down on how the right side comes along, or doesn’t. If two of Kakko, Gauthier or Kravtsov turn into steady contributors, I think we’re probably in good shape. If it’s still a work in progress, it could be a struggle.

 

[Doctyl]

Still some glaring holes on this roster. The LD is going to be brutal if they can’t shore it up. The right wings have more promise than results right now, and center isn’t a strong point.

This team’s success could very come down on how the right side comes along, or doesn’t. If two of Kakko, Gauthier or Kravtsov turn into steady contributors, I think we’re probably in good shape. If it’s still a work in progress, it could be a struggle.

It really might be worth trying to transition one of the RD to the left. A top 4 of Fox, ADA, Trouba, and Lindgren really can’t be any worse than having the corpse of Staal or Smith on the ice. Those two need to be buried.

Also Igor should be able to cover up a lot of those defensive short comings. The talent is there for this team to be in the playoffs. If we’re still struggling and floundering Quinn has to go. This is getting closer to the point where a guy like Laviolette can come in and make us a legit contender (sorta how AV did before everything went to shit)

 

[Edge]

It really might be worth trying to transition one of the RD to the left. A top 4 of Fox, ADA, Trouba, and Lindgren really can’t be any worse than having the corpse of Staal or Smith on the ice. Those two need to be buried.

Also Igor should be able to cover up a lot of those defensive short comings. The talent is there for this team to be in the playoffs. If we’re still struggling and floundering Quinn has to go. This is getting closer to the point where a guy like Laviolette can come in and make us a legit contender (sorta how AV did before everything went to shit)

Personally, I think moving a RHD to the left side would have a higher probability of hurting their results than improving the Rangers results. It just doesn’t really work at the higher levels over a long period of time and as part of a regular rotation. I think that’s a tough sell.

I think Shesterkin will help, though I am leery about that being too much of an expectation.

I think the Rangers can make the playoffs if things come online. I also think they’re one injury to Zibanejad away from some serious obstacles as well.

It really depends on any moves they make prior to the season and how certain young talent comes along.

I think Quinn will be on the hook for that last part. If young players continue to make progress, but the team is done in by its left defense or other holes, I don’t think he’s on the chopping block. But if the young talent struggles or regresses, that will turn up the heat.

 

[True Blue]

Anything less than playoffs this year and he should be canned. The window is opening. Mika, Kreider, Panarin are in their prime. Igor, Fox, and ADA are legit. Kakko and Chytil hopefully take steps forward. Laf is the golden ticket to put this team over the top in the next few season. Hopefully Kravtsov puts it together too.

If we don’t comfortably make the playoffs next year, it’s absolutely a failure.

Are you kidding me? At 19, chances are Lafreniere is not quite the golden ticket you are making him out to be. He should be the cherry on top of the first part of the rebuild, namely asset gathering. Expecting him to be an instant 50 point contributor is sheer folly. There is still the lack of depth and the let side of the defense is an abomination by and large.

This team, as is, is a cusp team. They should be competing for the one of the last playoff spots. As a bubble team, they have a pretty good shot of being competitive but still missing the playoffs.

The clock as certainly started to tick, but as long as the wheels do not come off the bus completely next year AND the kids are continuing to progress, there is no way that he is not back for year 4 of his contract.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Never thought Quinn was going to be around for when the team is actually competing so

I think he's got at least another season in him, maybe season and a half. In two years if you told me Quinn is still the coach I'd be surprised.

 

[Thordic]

Are you kidding me? At 19, chances are Lafreniere is not quite the golden ticket you are making him out to be.

I seriously feel like we're starting to get more "Facebook Fans" on HFBoards than we used to.

Huberdeau is often listed as the comparable for Laf. Huberdeau averaged a little over .5 PPG his first few seasons. Even if Laf benefits from better teammates, 50 points next year would be fantastic if we play 80 games. People are acting like he's going to be putting up a point per game as a rookie. Can't wait to hear the "bust!" comments when he has 10 points after 20 games.

 

[Thordic]

Never thought Quinn was going to be around for when the team is actually competing so

I think he's got at least another season in him, maybe season and a half. In two years if you told me Quinn is still the coach I'd be surprised.

That's how it usually works though, at least in theory. Look back at our own history. We hired Renney to build the foundation. He built a good foundation but couldn't get anything done in the playoffs, so we brought in Torts to bring them over the hump. When he couldn't do it, we brought in AV. Torts and AV aren't known as developmental guys. Same thing now. Quinn builds the foundation, and gets a try or two in the playoffs (assuming he gets us there, which seems likely). Unless he miraculously figures out how to deliver in the playoffs, that's when you pull the trigger, thank him for his service, and bring in a coach who can do the rest.

 

[True Blue]

I seriously feel like we're starting to get more "Facebook Fans" on HFBoards than we used to.

Huberdeau is often listed as the comparable for Laf. Huberdeau averaged a little over .5 PPG his first few seasons. Even if Laf benefits from better teammates, 50 points next year would be fantastic if we play 80 games. People are acting like he's going to be putting up a point per game as a rookie. Can't wait to hear the "bust!" comments when he has 10 points after 20 games.

I would be shocked if he put up 50 points. This is like last year when Kakko was going to get 50 points and Kravstov was going to make an impact.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

I would be shocked if he put up 50 points. This is like last year when Kakko was going to get 50 points and Kravstov was going to make an impact.

It seems Laf is on a different tier than Kakko and Kravstov, though. A lot of people believe that 50 points can be his minimum next season (assuming next season happens that is). It does help that Laf is already adapt to the NA style of hockey and no issue with a language barrier (unlike Kakko in his rookie season).