Should the Rangers fire David Quinn?

[Rangers394]

the team was still bottom of the league in defense and possession during the regular season, saved by great performances from Panarin and Zib + the goaltending . People blame it on Ruff for some reason.
I think we should upgrade a few positions and see what happens there before we do anything.

The team is bad at all the “coachable” things, like structure, team defense, winning battles , faceoffs etc. relying on your top talent to save you is not coaching.

 

[CasusBelli]

Let the team grow with its coach and management. Build a dynasty — not just a series of similar rosters with different people at the helm. Think long term.

 

[Tob]

the team was still bottom of the league in defense and possession during the regular season, saved by great performances from Panarin and Zib + the goaltending . People blame it on Ruff for some reason.


The team is bad at all the “coachable” things, like structure, team defense, winning battles , faceoffs etc. relying on your top talent to save you is not coaching.

Having a shit team doesn't mean you have to scrape the basement of the NHL and slight improvements doesn't warrant job security for a coach that hasn't shown he's a good coach in this league. Columbus and the Islanders were two teams that were written off last year and this year but under good structure coaching from two of the most defensively minded guys, they were playoff teams both year with trotz and torts. Losing as expected and improving after bringing Panarin and Shesterkin on board is not anything to be proud of. Chytil, Howden, Andersson, Kravstov, Lemieux, Kakko have not risen above expectation. Some guys are showing potential but on paper, nothing has been fantastic about Quinn's work with this young forward group. Zibby and Tony doesn't fall into this group of young draft prospects that Quinn was brought in to raise. I'll give Quinn Lindgren but that's thin.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Voted no but I think his seat starts to get warm if the Rangers miss the playoffs next year...

 

[egelband]

Aside from three games in the weirdest of conditions, the team has improved massively under Quinn. Nearly every player improved and many even had career years. This is not the time to discuss firing him, in my humble opinion. If there’s regression next year, the year after, sure. I can understand not liking him or thinking he might not be the right guy long term. But right now he’s doing a good job.

 

[Captain Monglobster]

The man had a glorified Junior team fighting for a playoff spot in his first season, handled a three headed goalie situation, had like 15 rookies who all took steps forward......is this a real f***ing thread?

 

[DutchNYR]

As disappointing as the Carolina series was, he has been doing excellent all year. Even God wouldn't do better with this team.

 

[Raspewtin]

No

These options are pretty bad

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

the team was still bottom of the league in defense and possession during the regular season, saved by great performances from Panarin and Zib + the goaltending . People blame it on Ruff for some reason.


The team is bad at all the “coachable” things, like structure, team defense, winning battles , faceoffs etc. relying on your top talent to save you is not coaching.

Because those attributes have followed him around where ever hes been. At least recently.

All teams rely on their top talent so I don't know why anyone would complain about that, but I agree with them being horrible at the coachable things. Some of that is on him and his staff, some of it is the process of un-AV'ing this roster (those were the biggest issues under him, it's gotten better even if they still suck at it) and some of it is on the overall youth in the lineup. His biggest issue is that he willingly plays bad players way more than they should be played. We've seen it with Howden, McKegg, etc. Staal playing as much as he did this year was a massive issue which predictably reared it's ugly head in these 3 pre-playoff games.

This poll has some recency bias due to how horrible the team looked in the bubble, they improved as a unit last year (not just Panarin and Zib) and were playing pretty well before the pause. The roster is filled with holes, but the system sucks and no one is forcing Quinn to play bad players - Thats on him (and the FO for allowing these guys to stick around.)

The roster and player deployment are the easier fixes. If the system stays the same (I think Ruff had some major influence here, our style hasn't changed that much from the AV years and their philosophies are similar) we're still going to have problems and at that point (if it comes to that), it's probably best to move on.

But Quinn has done more than enough to have the opportunity to make those changes.

 

[True Blue]

He will get next year, and hopefully has a chance to show a better effort in the playoffs.

If they finish 10-11th in the east again and there isn’t a litany of injuries, I imagine a change would be made.

Unless next year is an absolute dumpster fire, he will be back beyond it.

Before this year, the expectation by anyone who is realistic is that next year would be the first year since the rebuild that the Rangers would compete. And by compete, I mean compete to be a bubble team.

This team exceeded all expectations for this year. And the 5 months off, following a fantastic 2.5 month run made people forget the type of roster that Quinn was saddled with. There was no coach out there who could have had any better results with that roster. That said, yeah, he got out coached in the playoffs. WOW, what a surprise. A first time playoff coach, with the youngest roster in the league, getting out coached and the team getting outplayed by vastly superior team. What a surprise!

If young players are expected to learn and take steps forward, why would the same thing not be said about a head coach? People here are clamoring for Trotz or Gallant. I suggest you take a look at what their career looked like for the first 5 years. And even beyond.

Sorry folks, unless quite literally the bottom drops out next year, Quinn will be back. If they compete for the 8th spot and do not make it, that will not be the end of him.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

I haven't seen one person ever provide any sort of in depth analysis of why Quinn is good or bad. A lot of arbitrary, debatable, surface level stuff but nothing really concrete

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I refuse to believe that our Hart trophy finalist and guy on pace for a Richard all of a sudden forgot to play hockey and it had nothing to do with their HC.

 

[Leonardo87]

No. Not sure why it’s even a thought. Rangers are still transitioning into being a competitive/contending team. If they don’t take a step forward next year, make the playoffs, then maybe it’s a question to be brought up.

He was brought in to develop the young guys and if memory serves it were mostly the vets who disappeared in this play in round. But going back to the regular season the developments of Fox, DeAngelo, Buch, Lindgren, Chytil, and etc, make me feel Quinn has actually done a good job and done what he was brought in to do. We were not even in a playoff spot had a chance given to us and still have a chance for a 1st OA or even a 10th OA pick. We are still in a good position going into next season and nothing has really changed after losing that play in round, imo.

 

[Calad]

Quinn wasn't brought in to be an Xs & Os coach. He was hired because he's great for development. He's got what, 2 more years left on his contract? I'd say let him finish out the contract and then part ways

 

[FOD]

Trottier is sharpening his pencils!

 

[Crease]

Laviolette worked with Giroux, JVR, Forsberg, and Josi. Gallant worked with Barkov, Ekblad, Huberdeau, Tuch, and Theodore. It's not like Quinn has a monopoly on development here.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Quinn wasn't brought in to be an Xs & Os coach. He was hired because he's great for development. He's got what, 2 more years left on his contract? I'd say let him finish out the contract and then part ways

These should not be mutually exclusive.

 

[Calad]

These should not be mutually exclusive.

They arent? Management identified what was most important in a coach for the roster/system they had after AV was let go, and they pursued the people who fit that idenity. Monty was scooped up by Dallas, so they decided to go with Quinn.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Unless next year is an absolute dumpster fire, he will be back beyond it.

Before this year, the expectation by anyone who is realistic is that next year would be the first year since the rebuild that the Rangers would compete. And by compete, I mean compete to be a bubble team.

This team exceeded all expectations for this year. And the 5 months off, following a fantastic 2.5 month run made people forget the type of roster that Quinn was saddled with. There was no coach out there who could have had any better results with that roster. That said, yeah, he got out coached in the playoffs. WOW, what a surprise. A first time playoff coach, with the youngest roster in the league, getting out coached and the team getting outplayed by vastly superior team. What a surprise!

If young players are expected to learn and take steps forward, why would the same thing not be said about a head coach? People here are clamoring for Trotz or Gallant. I suggest you take a look at what their career looked like for the first 5 years. And even beyond.

Sorry folks, unless quite literally the bottom drops out next year, Quinn will be back. If they compete for the 8th spot and do not make it, that will not be the end of him.

Unless injuries take a toll on the roster, I bet you it would be.

You don't spend all that money on Trouba, Panarin and Kreider to just narrowly miss the playoffs. They're going to make at least 1 big move this offseason (be that extending DeAngelo, trading DeAngelo, something else) where I would imagine a big influx of dollars will be shelled out again. It's not fair, but when the FO starts doing what it can to accelerate the rebuild, the results need to come along with it and the coach almost always goes before management starts to get axed.

There are coaches who could have done a better job with this roster, but that doesn't mean that Quinn should lose his job. There was both good and bad from him this season but as you said, its a learning process for him too. As long as he learns from his mistakes and changes things that aren't working, he'll be safe. If he continues to try to outsmart the league by using the same system and running Staal out there, we'll be talking about how his replacement fits in a year from now.

 

[Rangers394]

Unless injuries take a toll on the roster, I bet you it would be.

You don't spend all that money on Trouba, Panarin and Kreider to just narrowly miss the playoffs. They're going to make at least 1 big move this offseason (be that extending DeAngelo, trading DeAngelo, something else) where I would imagine a big influx of dollars will be shelled out again. It's not fair, but when the FO starts doing what it can to accelerate the rebuild, the results need to come along with it and the coach almost always goes before management starts to get axed.

There are coaches who could have done a better job with this roster, but that doesn't mean that Quinn should lose his job. There was both good and bad from him this season but as you said, its a learning process for him too. As long as he learns from his mistakes and changes things that aren't working, he'll be safe. If he continues to try to outsmart the league by using the same system and running Staal out there, we'll be talking about how his replacement fits in a year from now.

If this team wants to try to accelerate the rebuild and make dumb moves, we deserve to keep losing. Shelling out more money after we just signed Trouba and Panarin will be a huge mistake. Plus we have Kreider too. We still have some bad contracts and dead money on the cap, it's not the time to make huge moves or else we will be right back to where we were before this rebuild started. Middle of the road team that won't win more than a series or two. I don't want that.

Some cheap depth moves? Sure. But we have no business going after any big trades and gutting our depth.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

If this team wants to try to accelerate the rebuild and make dumb moves, we deserve to keep losing. Shelling out more money after we just signed Trouba and Panarin will be a huge mistake. Plus we have Kreider too. We still have some bad contracts and dead money on the cap, it's not the time to make huge moves or else we will be right back to where we were before this rebuild started. Middle of the road team that won't win more than a series or two. I don't want that.

Some cheap depth moves? Sure. But we have no business going after any big trades and gutting our depth.

I think we'll be adding to our depth but they're beyond stop gap territory. Our FO may not be the brightest, but they aren't totally incompetent. They know where our issues are and I expect that they'll do their best to address them, for better or for worse.

I'm not going to play captain hindsight because no one had any idea COVID was going to be a thing a year ago but imagine we had all the open space with out Panarin/Kreider right now? How many sweet deals would we have available to us by teams who are totally up against the cap?

I mean after we win the 1OA it will be worth it, but just food for thought.

 

[Rangers394]

I think we'll be adding to our depth but they're beyond stop gap territory. Our FO may not be the brightest, but they aren't totally incompetent. They know where our issues are and I expect that they'll do their best to address them, for better or for worse.

I'm not going to play captain hindsight because no one had any idea COVID was going to be a thing a year ago but imagine we had all the open space with out Panarin/Kreider right now? How many sweet deals would we have available to us by teams who are totally up against the cap?

I mean after we win the 1OA it will be worth it, but just food for thought.

I agree. Would have been the perfect time to take advantage of some teams with cap trouble. Personally i wanted Kreider traded at the deadline but that doesn't matter now.

My worry is that we become the same team we were from 2012-2017. Good but never good enough. We have a lot of cap space tied up in players already, we need to be smart with the upcoming cap space that will be available to us or else we will be the same old team from the past.

 

[aufheben]

I’d say no but I don’t agree with any of the options.

It’s too hard to accurately gauge Quinn because this roster is severely lacking talent. Like I can’t even begin to concern myself with coaching yet. My concern is with our are heavy investments into prospects that end up fizzling out. Our pool was/is way too heavy on defensemen; I think forward is the most important position.

 

[aufheben]

I agree. Would have been the perfect time to take advantage of some teams with cap trouble. Personally i wanted Kreider traded at the deadline but that doesn't matter now.

My worry is that we become the same team we were from 2012-2017. Good but never good enough. We have a lot of cap space tied up in players already, we need to be smart with the upcoming cap space that will be available to us or else we will be the same old team from the past.

The Rangers has at least 3 serious contenders in that time span.

 

[Rangers394]

The Rangers has at least 3 serious contenders in that time span.

And they didn't win a cup. The main goal is to win a cup right?