Should the Rangers fire David Quinn?

[NYR]

Next year will say a lot. The sexy thing to do is can him and hire Laviolette or Gallant with their success and before the Captials hire one and Kraken hire the other.

HOWEVER, lets see if the team can improve defensively, stop with the 700 too many men penalties, comes to games more engaged with their cup of Joe, can score at least one-two goals with a goalie pulled, improve the PK, adjust better in games, and most importantly, stop with the one dimensional power play zone entry of one guy skating and just leaving the puck for the skater behind him who is building momentum.

The playoffs they at least didn't give up like 90 shot attempts each game. That's a slight improvement.

This is all a reflection on the coach and quite a bit more can be added.

There are enough experiments going on at the moment so WHY WAIT?

It's a silly way of looking at things IMO.

This is not on the players.

Just do the sexy err RIGHT thing and bring in someone who knows what he's doing already.

PS. This guy will most likely never find another NHL job unless it's as an assistant or he ends up in the AHL..

 

[Mikos87]

Next year will say a lot. The sexy thing to do is can him and hire Laviolette or Gallant with their success and before the Captials hire one and Kraken hire the other.

HOWEVER, lets see if the team can improve defensively, stop with the 700 too many men penalties, comes to games more engaged with their cup of Joe, can score at least one-two goals with a goalie pulled, improve the PK, adjust better in games, and most importantly, stop with the one dimensional power play zone entry of one guy skating and just leaving the puck for the skater behind him who is building momentum.

The playoffs they at least didn't give up like 90 shot attempts each game. That's a slight improvement.

Well you can hire guys like that on scouting or consulting contracts. I think they need to shuffle the assistants around. Get some more NHL tested eyes behind the bench. Get a guy who the players will respect but can also instill the identity that youwant. Really like what they did with Simmonds recently- if he's hanging them up, I would hire him as an associate right away and get a veteran guy who knows the league.

Both guys will know the league, one guy being a recent player, and the other as a grizzled bench boss that acts as the X's & O's guy, handles match-ups and in-game line changes.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

This is all a reflection on the coach and quite a bit more can be added.

There are enough experiments going on at the moment so WHY WAIT?

It's a silly way of looking at things IMO.

This is not on the players.

Just do the sexy err RIGHT thing and bring in someone who knows what he's doing already.

PS. This guy will most likely never find another NHL job unless it's as an assistant or he ends up in the AHL..

The problem is NHL etiquette in 2020. They're not going to can him tomorrow 'just because." This isn't the days of Phil Esposito not liking how his coach said good morning and getting rid of him. Unless he has like a Peters/Montgomery situation and I do not wish that on anyone he has another year. Even Torts in 2013 that built up from all the yelling and brow beating players.

 

[NYR]

The problem is NHL etiquette in 2020. They're not going to can him tomorrow 'just because." This isn't the days of Phil Esposito not liking how his coach said good morning and getting rid of him. Unless he has like a Peters/Montgomery situation and I do not wish that on anyone he has another year. Even Torts in 2013 that built up from all the yelling and brow beating players.

Sorry but I disagree entirely.
He's not qualified nor does he have the aptitude.

Yes, he's a nice guy..Blah blah

The rest is Bush league and not up to NHL standards.

He was one of the most brain-dead hirings I've ever seen and a complete waste of time and resources.

Stop the bleeding now and let's move fwd..

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Sorry but I disagree entirely.
He's not qualified nor does he have the aptitude.

Yes, he's a nice guy..Blah blah

The rest is Bush league and not up to NHL standards.

He was one of the most brain-dead hirings I've ever seen and a complete waste of time and resources.

Stop the bleeding now and let's move fwd..

Who else would you have hired? If you say Montgomery that's cool. This isn't a roast thread. They'd be in a much worse spot because as NY is more extreme than Texas or Colorado, good chance his problems spiral much worse.

I wouldn't call Quinn nice. He's a fair man. He's no pushover. He believes in tough love even if he has his favorites as all coaches do. Ron Low was a nice man. Tom Renney was a nice man.

Why was he brain dead? How would you have proceeded and who would you hire now and why?

 

[NYR]

No roasting at all toward you.

DQ just isn't qualified for the position and anyone that's paying any attention can easily see that.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

No roasting at all toward you.

DQ just isn't qualified for the position and anyone that's paying any attention can easily see that.

Oh lol I meant if you were all about Montgomery and then everyone jumped in and was like "Look what happened!!!"

Do you feel he's not qualified because he's basically Bostonian AV-lite? That's my issue with him. I think of the four Rangers coaches since the NHL Reboot of 2005 it goes AV>Torts>Renney>DQ

 

[NYR]

Oh lol I meant if you were all about Montgomery and then everyone jumped in and was like "Look what happened!!!"

Do you feel he's not qualified because he's basically Bostonian AV-lite? That's my issue with him. I think of the four Rangers coaches since the NHL Reboot of 2005 it goes AV>Torts>Renney>DQ

Na..I wanted Quenneville but that ship has sailed.
I don't look to compare people.
I just look at what's going on in front of me.
Too many negatives to outweigh the positive.
I'm into the technical part of coaching but that's a convo for another time
Unfortunately, I ruffle a few feathers in my opinion but I have a hard time dealing with those who have no common sense lol..

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I am one of Quinn's harshest critics but firing him now is not going to fix anything. He has a role to play and will be here for 2 more years. When the Rangers transition into the next Phase he will probably be replaced for a more ready coach. A coach with experience, unless Quinn adapts and sticks around a bit longer. I don't think he will be here after 2023 simply because of the shelf life of coaches in hockey in general and in NY in particular. I brought this up before but AV is the only coach since WW II to coach the Rangers for 5 full seasons. Quinn has been here for 2 already

 

[NYR]

I am one of Quinn's harshest critics but firing him now is not going to fix anything. He has a role to play and will be here for 2 more years. When the Rangers transition into the next Phase he will probably be replaced for a more ready coach. A coach with experience, unless Quinn adapts and sticks around a bit longer. I don't think he will be here after 2023 simply because of the shelf life of coaches in hockey in general and in NY in particular. I brought this up before but AV is the only coach since WW II to coach the Rangers for 5 full seasons. Quinn has been here for 2 already

Yeah..BS
2 years and he hasn't adapted to shit.
You bring in someone more knowledgeable and the team will respond..

 

[Irishguy42]

When the Rangers transition into the next Phase he will probably be replaced for a more ready coach. A coach with experience,

"OFFICIAL: The New York Rangers welcome back Alain Vigneault, who previously..."

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

"OFFICIAL: The New York Rangers welcome back Alain Vigneault, who previously..."

Nah. We need the Torts phase first

 

[NYR]

Nah. We need the Torts phase first

Nah..We need Laviolette, Now!

 

[Kovalev27]

He has a year More tops and I’d be shocked if he’s here a minute longer. He’s literally babysitting until this teams seasons a bit more. Than a real coach will come on to try and win.

you can’t win championships playing without a real systems coach. And Quinn just lets these guys do whatever they want.

 

[Leetch3]

Somehow Quinn is terrible cause he isn’t structured enough and let’s players do what they want but also he is terrible cause he doesn’t let the kids just play. He can’t win with some

 

[Kovalev27]

I don’t think he’s terrible I just think he was hired for a very specific purpose of development and will he gone when they’re ready to take that next step

 

[NYR]

He has a year More tops and I’d be shocked if he’s here a minute longer. He’s literally babysitting until this teams seasons a bit more. Than a real coach will come on to try and win.
you can’t win championships playing without a real systems coach. And Quinn just lets these guys do whatever they want.

For all that already have an exit date/ time frame for this guy?

You already have a conclusion and answered your own question on this guy.

Just saying

 

[NYR]

Somehow Quinn is terrible cause he isn’t structured enough and let’s players do what they want but also he is terrible cause he doesn’t let the kids just play. He can’t win with some

There's a big difference when you let skilled players be creative in the offensive zone and let them do what they do but when everything's an adventure going the other way, that's a whole different thing.
You know what I'm talking about..

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I don’t think he’s terrible I just think he was hired for a very specific purpose of development and will he gone when they’re ready to take that next step

That was part of it, but I'm pretty sure that they were looking for a fresh look and someone who ideally, would grow with the team.

It's been a mixed bag with him. They sucked so hard in his first season but the team was really, really bad too. They did bring the effort more often than not though (which is something I think actually got worse this year overall, despite the turn around after the new year.) The way the season ended wasn't a real good look, but circumstances sort of played into that (I do wonder what the f*** they were doing during the mini training camp they had though.)

I do think he'd be getting more heat if the draft lottery hadn't gone their way, but at the same time too many people are letting 3 games overshadow the much bigger chunk of games that this team played before the pause. There was positive progress collectively as a group despite his unwavering love for certain bad players. But things do need to change.

 

[Thirty One]

Quinn is a great lottery coach. That's undeniable.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Quinn is a great lottery coach. That's undeniable.

Makes you wonder what would happen if we got Taylor Hall.

 

[Thirty One]

Makes you wonder what would happen if we got Taylor Hall.

We would have already won the 2021 lottery.

 

[Anthony5967]

He has a year More tops and I’d be shocked if he’s here a minute longer. He’s literally babysitting until this teams seasons a bit more. Than a real coach will come on to try and win.

you can’t win championships playing without a real systems coach. And Quinn just lets these guys do whatever they want.

This is a powerful claim. Care to elaborate?

 

[Anthony5967]

Listen, I truly believe this team has to win a round next year. This guy is the luckiest SOB there is. Kakko, now Lafreniere, Panarin, and Zibanejad are Hart-caliber stars. Strome became a 70-point C over a full 82 games. Gorton has gotten him some pieces. They have high-end prospects. He's supposed to be a developmental coach, so develop these guys and let's take the next step to win a round. If he doesn't win a round and they don't take strides with their defensive play, he may be finished here. Gotta hope FLA sticks with Joel one more year. CBJ marrying Torts long-term? Seriously, he would probably be a guy I bring back. The one thing you learn with that guy is effort. Where the hell was it against Carolina? Because I saw none.

 

[True Blue]

Listen, I truly believe this team has to win a round next year.

I doubt it. As currently constituted, this is still a bubble team. That means that they should be fighting for the playoffs all year. They may or may not make it. But as long as the wheels do not come off the bus and the kids keep developing, I see no scenario in which Quinn is not back for year 4 of his contract.

The team also overachieved this year. Aside from some fans hysteria on a message board, there is absolutely no smoke or fire to indicate that Quinn is on the hot seat.