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Should Russia and Belarus start in the Division IV once they are eventually allowed to compete at IIHF events again?

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Let's make them wear funny hats too!

It's cool that everyone wants to punish Russia these days, but this is a foolish notion that needs to be put to bed and forgotten about. Never mind that once the IIHF decides to reinstate Russia it isn't going to start by humiliating them, there are a whole whack of other nations that the federation needs to think about. They're not going to put Russia in a tournament with UAE or Thailand because it wouldn't be fair to those countries either.
 
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MeHateHe said:
Let's make them wear funny hats too!

It's cool that everyone wants to punish Russia these days, but this is a foolish notion that needs to be put to bed and forgotten about. Never mind that once the IIHF decides to reinstate Russia it isn't going to start by humiliating them, there are a whole whack of other nations that the federation needs to think about. They're not going to put Russia in a tournament with UAE or Thailand because it wouldn't be fair to those countries either.
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Which country deserving of promotion by actually earning the said promotion do you deprive of promotion then?

It wasn't fair for Pool C teams to face Slovakia either. But that's what actually happened.

And, contrary to Russia, it's not like Belarus was guaranteed to remain in Championship division.
 
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MXD said:
Which country deserving of promotion by actually earning the said promotion do you deprive of promotion then?

It wasn't fair for Pool C teams to face Slovakia either. But that's what actually happened.
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A) The decision to allow the Czechs to hold Czechoslovakia's place and treat Slovakia as if it just parachuted in from Mars was a mistake. It was also 30 years ago
B) Promotion/relegation isn't a perfect system. Austria and Latvia got phantom promoted to the 2022 championships; so some countries are going to miss out. And the world spins on.
 
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If Russia and Belarus are ever reinstated (I believe in the possibility of seeing the end of world competitions due to increasing political interference in sport), I don't think that will happen.

They would crush their opponents and block promotions for others nations during several years.

I think they would be reinstated in DIA and there would be an 8 team tournament.
 
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Would be pretty bad for the Div 4 countries. 40-0 scorelines. So it really isn't that good of an idea.
 
Here is what Slovakia had to do .. and none of it was their fault. They didn't go to war on anyone. They got invaded, released and relegated 2 decades later.

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They had to beat Bulgaria 20-0 to start.lol
 
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They should be relegated, but one tier should suffice. Ban them for additional years rather than create problems for lower divisions that they would be very likely to win anyway.
 
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Czechboy said:
Here is what Slovakia had to do .. and none of it was their fault. They didn't go to war on anyone. They got invaded, released and relegated 2 decades later.

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They had to beat Bulgaria 20-0 to start.lol
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Slovakia started at the 3rd level. Not at last.

Probably because there were 8 teams in the 2nd tier. It was more comfortable to start Slovakia in a 6+1 group.
 
Slovakia's story more had to do with new countries entering the IIHF in those years, therefore their treatment was more or less in line with how other new member countries were treated. For example Latvia wasn't even allowed to the C Division (lowest division at that time iirc), they had to first fight for their right to play there in a regional tournament with Lithuania and Estonia and only after that they were allowed to play against such countries as North Korea, Israel and Belgium (obviously not only them, but still).
 
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Caser said:
Slovakia's story more had to do with new countries entering the IIHF in those years, therefore their treatment was more or less in line with how other new member countries were treated. For example Latvia wasn't even allowed to the C Division (lowest division at that time iirc), they had to first fight for their right to play there in a regional tournament with Lithuania and Estonia and only after that they were allowed to play against such countries as North Korea, Israel and Belgium (obviously not only them, but still).
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Slovakia's story begin in 1968 when Soviet tanks rolled in... lot of stories began after that invasion. All of them bad stories.
 
Belloco said:
Slovakia started at the 3rd level. Not at last.

Probably because there were 8 teams in the 2nd tier. It was more comfortable to start Slovakia in a 6+1 group.
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It's a graphic.. not sure what you are arguing?

Looks like they started at C1 and then B. At the time they had elite NHLer's and it was ridiculous.
 
That would be really fun for Team South Africa to face off against Russia. Would be just stupid to have them even in the 2nd division let alone the lowest. Nobody has fun winning or losing 70-0
 
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Slovakia's story begin in 1968 when Soviet tanks rolled in... lot of stories began after that invasion. All of them bad stories.
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I meant Slovakia as an IIHF member, it wasn't before 1993 if I'm not missing anything. Btw, was Slovakia a separate country from Czechia in 1968 too? I somehow thought it was already Czechoslovakia at that point, but my memory isn't perfect.
 
What's the objective? Is it to punish Russia, or do what's best for the game?

If it's the latter, nobody benefits from Russia destroying lower division teams 50-0. It only serves to ensure a circus atmosphere and deprive lower division nations of promotion.
 
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Btw, was Slovakia a separate country from Czechia in 1968 too? I somehow thought it was already Czechoslovakia at that point, but my memory isn't perfect.
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In 1968/69 the country became a federation that consisted of the Slovak Republic and the Czech Republic. These then broke apart in the early 1990s. During the Czechoslovak era Slovakia played more unofficial games against regular national teams before 1968 though.
 
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