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Should Dubas pick up Evander Kane?
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Doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results.
Dreakmur
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- Big Buff threw his clothes in the shower; Jets couldn't wait to get rid of him
- With Sabres he got into an altercation at the club - became a locker room problem was shipped to sharks
- Now sharks can't wait to get rid of him - team mates don't want him back
- NHL was investigating whether Kane bet on the games; messy divorce
Do we really want a guy like this representing the Toronto Maple Leafs?
Can anyone provide actual proof, actual convictions, any sort of article that alludes to him paying people off for these charges against him? Fact, the NHL found no evidence that he even gambled on league games let alone his own teams. Fact, the first sexual assault charge against him he was cleared for. Fact, his wife couldn't provide sufficient evidence for the only other sexual assault charge against him. Fact, an altercation in Vancouver where he was accused of assault, the charges were dropped. The responding officers didn't view it as assault, rather just a fight between 2 people. Kane admitted to throwing 3 punches in self-defence.
This is the 1 thing I could find where he was actually charged. It's for disorderly conduct, and harassment, not sexual assault. From other articles, what I could gather is that he put his hands on people and they were ultimately threatened by it. It claims to be aggressive, but noone truly knows.
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This is the 1 thing I could find where he was actually charged. It's for disorderly conduct, and harassment, not sexual assault. From other articles, what I could gather is that he put his hands on people and they were ultimately threatened by it. It claims to be aggressive, but noone truly knows.
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ACC1224
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That you can list multiple accusations is enough proof not to have this guy anywhere near the team.
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Even if all of the facts that you outline are the beginning and end of each individual issue, it cannot be denied that chaos follows Kane around, and the Leafs would be better off to keep the current convoy rolling without adding this particular clown car.
ITM
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I don't think so and I might be wrong, but I think when Dustin Byfuglien "encouraged" Kane into the shower fully clothed, there was nothing to the claim that Big Buff had enough of his antics.
Or, team over team, where there's smoke...
ACC1224
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He does seem like the missing piece though........of the Bieber posse.
Absolutely not. He is a locker room cancer, big fat no. He's caused drama everywhere he has gone. Don't fix something that ain't broke. The guys are all playing really well, don't change a damn thing. Maybe add a veteran D man, that's about it.
Peasy
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Rumors this year that the Shark players did not want him back in the locker hence him being sent to the minors. This comes right after he had a career year for the sharks. Hes had issues getting along with teammates since he first entered the league, and that clearly has not changed.
Here's the problem with Evander Kane... he's never been "beaten down". He's never really had to "grovel for his career".
He wore out his welcome in Winnipeg, but the Sabres gave up a pretty substantial haul for him including Tyler Myers, Drew Stafford, former 31st OA Brendan Lemieux, and a 1st round draft pick. It's not like Buffalo took the approach of "you're lucky to be here".
He wore out his welcome in Buffalo, along with them being a pretty bad team, so gets shipped at the deadline for a 1st and a 4th. Again, welcomed with open arms.
After being traded to SJ, signs a massive 7 year deal at close to $50m, with an incredibly restrictive NTC (3 teams he can be traded to). Again, continuing to be welcomed with open arms.
Is passing through waivers (likely) and going to the AHL enough of a "reality check" for Evander Kane to drop his personality and simply show up to the rink and work? Maybe.
Is being traded at 50% retained for likely close to nothing going to be enough of a reality check? Maybe.
There are precedents and examples for players like this. Tony DeAngelo a prime example -- Rangers gave him a big 2 year bridge deal, and 6 games into it, sent him home, let him sit the year occupying idle cap until they were able to buy him out. He shows up hat in hand to Carolina, and they've got one of the best deals out there.
Heck, the Leafs have their own example in Alex Galchenyuk, who went from being a 3rd OA draft pick who scored 30 goals for the Canadiens, to Arizona, to Pittsburgh, to Minnesota; each time being traded for less and less. Then to Ottawa, to Carolina, who immediately waived him, so that the Leafs could get him for their AHL team. They're trying to do it again with Josh Ho-Sang.
The question is -- is this "beat down" enough for Kane to get his act together? or does he need one more stop to really show up hat-in-hand? Obviously, the Leafs cannot afford to be one of the intermediary teams along the way.
He wore out his welcome in Winnipeg, but the Sabres gave up a pretty substantial haul for him including Tyler Myers, Drew Stafford, former 31st OA Brendan Lemieux, and a 1st round draft pick. It's not like Buffalo took the approach of "you're lucky to be here".
He wore out his welcome in Buffalo, along with them being a pretty bad team, so gets shipped at the deadline for a 1st and a 4th. Again, welcomed with open arms.
After being traded to SJ, signs a massive 7 year deal at close to $50m, with an incredibly restrictive NTC (3 teams he can be traded to). Again, continuing to be welcomed with open arms.
Is passing through waivers (likely) and going to the AHL enough of a "reality check" for Evander Kane to drop his personality and simply show up to the rink and work? Maybe.
Is being traded at 50% retained for likely close to nothing going to be enough of a reality check? Maybe.
There are precedents and examples for players like this. Tony DeAngelo a prime example -- Rangers gave him a big 2 year bridge deal, and 6 games into it, sent him home, let him sit the year occupying idle cap until they were able to buy him out. He shows up hat in hand to Carolina, and they've got one of the best deals out there.
Heck, the Leafs have their own example in Alex Galchenyuk, who went from being a 3rd OA draft pick who scored 30 goals for the Canadiens, to Arizona, to Pittsburgh, to Minnesota; each time being traded for less and less. Then to Ottawa, to Carolina, who immediately waived him, so that the Leafs could get him for their AHL team. They're trying to do it again with Josh Ho-Sang.
The question is -- is this "beat down" enough for Kane to get his act together? or does he need one more stop to really show up hat-in-hand? Obviously, the Leafs cannot afford to be one of the intermediary teams along the way.
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Even with %50 retained by San Jose, he's still 3.5 mill per season. We can't fit that under the cap without a legitimate player moving out.
I'm not ok swapping Kerfoot out to fit Kane in. Not with all the off-ice risk that comes along with him.
I'm not ok swapping Kerfoot out to fit Kane in. Not with all the off-ice risk that comes along with him.
Stigma
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Nah man. All this stuff.....teammates not liking him, numerous assault allegations, gambling, fake COVID passport, douchey behaviour....just a massive conspiracy against a nice guy.
You seem to be going through hoops to defend this guy, he has a lengthy of history of poor and often violent off ice behaviour, there is too much of it, for him to be given the benefit of the doubt. If it were one incident? I could buy that it was a "grey area" or in lamens terms a "he said/she said" scenerio, but,there are just too many strikes against the guy for him to be given the benefit of the doubt.
I don't believe he's evil, nobody is good or bad, we are complex creatures. I think the guy went through a lot of f_cked up shit as a child that has not been disclosed, probably has underlying mental health issues to boot that explain but not excuse his violent and reckless off ice behaviour.
I haven't exactly been defending his actions. I have also never said I think the leafs should try and aquire him. My defense of him has simply been due to noone giving actual proof that he's some sort of monster. Everyone just keeps spitting out the same things, he's abusive, aggressive, etc. The 1 conviction against him is for disorderly conduct and harassment, in which he pleaded for. Meaning it's worse than what he was convicted for, but not as egregious as the report makes it out to be. As far as the stuff with his wife goes, he is making a better claim against her, than she is of him.
tmlms13
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Only If we get him for League Min AAV and they add a 1st round draft pick non-lottery protected.
Nobody is saying he is a monster, what people are saying however is he has off ice issues and many allegations against him that just can't be overlooked, I think that's pretty fair and reasonable no? As for domestic violence allegations, just because there has never been a conviction in court, it doesn't mean that the abuse didn't take place, I tend to believe the women when they make these allegations over the men.
Also if you look at all the teams he has been on, there has been trouble and discord with him, thats a fact! There's no denying the guy has talent and puts up decent numbers, but at this point his off ice issues over-take his on ice performances. I'm sure there will be a team or two interested in his services, probably a team enterign a rebuild and/or looking to get to the cap floor.... I don't see a fit here with him and Toronto.
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There are three places I think would be absolute no-go teams for anyone in Kane's life remotely concerned with his long term health: Las Vegas, Toronto, New York. Then I think there are three teams below that: Tampa Bay, Florida, Carolina. If only for the fact that they are either en route or there, at something resembling successful, team-first environments enjoying some success. And I think programs like Arizona, Seattle and perhaps Detroit all represent teams at one stage or another in which the role of leader would be too much for him, for any number of reasons. And then I think there are all sorts of teams between that to one degree or another that kind of...accordion back and forth with similar restrictions. So I think the only place that fits Kane, or Kane fits into, is a place where you have an organization where doing things "differently" makes sense. Where one year it's up and next it's down and the day to day business might be questioned by everyone outside the organization, but within it, the expectation of the unexpected is...expected:
Bienvenue a Montreal, Evander!
