Sheldon Keefe Discussion Thread

[ShaneFalco]

If it was me, Dubas and Keefe have another 20-25 games to get the ship righted. If not, I fire both, hire Trotz and let Shanny take on the GM role until a new GM is hired. Better to fire them too soon than too late IMO.

Shanny doesn't have the balls

 

[Shooter2x]

Yes, it's seems so obvious that it's at least worth a try.

Give teams 3 or 4 different looks so they can't prepare for the status quo every night.

Every combo is status quo, every depth player is the exact same vanilla type minus two guys who can't score. Highest efficiency is having the big 4 together. Lines are so ugly when we spread and whoever gets stuck on 3rd line (nylander) has it the worst.

 

[ToneDog]

I don't see Dubas getting fired tbh, Dubas' saving grace is he has a relationship with Matthews camp. That is about as valuable as it gets. The last thing they want is a new GM coming in to try and negotiate that contract. So I think Dubas will ultimately get a 2 year extension. 1 year to get Matthews signed, 1 year to do something with team with all the cap space they have coming and thats essentially it.

Exactly. I do not want to have to fire Dubas after a another first round loss and have to find a new GM with Matthews negotiations looming. Hence why I think sooner than later and Shanny takes over. Dubas' relationship with Matty is overrated. I mean he held Mik's hand when he got his wrist sliced and Mik walked. If Matty wants to leave, Jesus won't be able to resign him. If it is about the money, me or you can hand him a blank check like Dubas did the last time.

Shanny doesn't have the balls

Hey Brendan, am I firing 2 or 3 of you ??

 

[francis246]

Exactly. I do not want to have to fire Dubas after a another first round loss and have to find a new GM with Matthews negotiations looming. Hence why I think sooner than later and Shanny takes over. Dubas' relationship with Matty is overrated. I mean he held Mik's hand when he got his wrist sliced and Mik walked. If Matty wants to leave, Jesus won't be able to resign him. If it is about the money, me or you can hand him a blank check like Dubas did the last time.

I don't think it's really the relationship between Matty and Dubas. More so Dubas' agent and Matthews. Let's not forget. The Matthews negotiation was the only one of the big 3 that had no issues. They got that one done early, and both sides were pretty happy. I'm all for change if it makes sense. But what GM is out there who could potentially make a difference? I don't see many older GM's available, it's going to be someone who's a rookie GM coming in most likely. Most of the older generation of GM's have moved to president positions. So it's most likely going to be an AGM who interviews and gets the job. Unless there's someone out there you're thinking of? Maybe Trotz comes in as the Head Coach/GM. I think that's kind of what he wanted in NYI.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Exactly. I do not want to have to fire Dubas after a another first round loss and have to find a new GM with Matthews negotiations looming. Hence why I think sooner than later and Shanny takes over. Dubas' relationship with Matty is overrated. I mean he held Mik's hand when he got his wrist sliced and Mik walked. If Matty wants to leave, Jesus won't be able to resign him. If it is about the money, me or you can hand him a blank check like Dubas did the last time.



Hey Brendan, am I firing 2 or 3 of you ??

You can't re-sign Dubas on the premise that he has a good relationship with AM. Especially when they fail again this year (sorry this roster isn't winning anything but I'll gladly eat my words if wrong). And especially when he botched contract negotiations the first time around

 

[ToneDog]

You can't re-sign Dubas on the premise that he has a good relationship with AM. Especially when they fail again this year (sorry this roster isn't winning anything but I'll gladly eat my words if wrong). And especially when he botched contract negotiations the first time around

Hey Kyle we are not ready to extend you yet but if we do your first task is to resign Matty. Lunacy.

 

[CDN24]

You can't re-sign Dubas on the premise that he has a good relationship with AM. Especially when they fail again this year (sorry this roster isn't winning anything but I'll gladly eat my words if wrong). And especially when he botched contract negotiations the first time around

Honestly, I think Dubas should have been fired or extended after last season given the timing of the Matthews extension. Either you fire him and give the new guy 2 full off seasons to see what he can do with the team before Matthews becomes a UFA or you extend him and then Matthews camp knows that Kyle is still the man for better or worse.

This lame duck GM business only works if Dubas gets the ship righted this year.

If this year ends in another 1st round failure, what do you do? Fire him then and the new guy has to try to fix things and extend Matthews in 1 yr? Matthews will likely take a wait and see approach.

Or you extend him after another failure - what does that do to the Matthews camps plans? If he wants to win he may see what options are out there.

Not sure what Shanny's role or power is - but this corporate ownership seems as dysfunctional as it ever was. Going into this offseason with Dubas not extended was probably the riskiest move they could make, other than going all in on a healthy rejuvenated Matt Murray.

I guess this is a Keefe discussion thread, I think he is done. That explanation or whatever it was yesterday doesn't seem like it was his idea. If Dubas is to survive Keefe may have to go. It's not like a lame duck GM into last year of his contract can come out and say Keefe isn't going anywhere learn to play for him

 

[All Mod Cons]

Hey Kyle we are not ready to extend you yet but if we do your first task is to resign Matty. Lunacy.

I think it's a last gasp attempt by some to keep Dubas around.

 

[egd27]

You can't re-sign Dubas on the premise that he has a good relationship with AM. Especially when they fail again this year (sorry this roster isn't winning anything but I'll gladly eat my words if wrong). And especially when he botched contract negotiations the first time around

As I mentioned a couple of weeks ago, their relationship is one where Dubas had to find out about Matthew's disorderly conduct problems via twitter just like the rest of us.

 

[hotpaws]

I have no idea why Keefe would go out of his way to create a controversy , the loss to the yotes of was bad enough but there was no need to state the obvious in his presser and even that wouldn't have turned into anything if he didn't then go out and try to explain his comments a day later .

I guess this is what you get when you have a couple of incompetent poser's like Dubas/Keefe who are trying way to hard to make people believe they're the smartest people in the game steering the ship .

 

[kevsh]

My gut - which is almost never right - says if this type of play extends another 5-6 (8-9? 11-12?) games Dubas will pull the plug on Keefe. After his completely botching this latest Leafland drama it gives Kyle an out.

Dubas is loyal, we all know that, but he realizes what's at stake this season (playoff success, Matthews re-signing, his own job) and weighing that vs. his relationship with Keefe, he'll give Sheldon every opportunity to right the ship but if he can't, I do believe Kyle will fire him.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I have no idea why Keefe would go out of his way to create a controversy , the loss to the yotes of was bad enough but there was no need to state the obvious in his presser and even that wouldn't have turned into anything if he didn't then go out and try to explain his comments a day later .

I guess this is what you get when you have a couple of incompetent poser's like Dubas/Keefe who are trying way to hard to make people believe they're the smartest people in the game steering the ship .

Dubie is a Brock grad who was gifted a hockey job by his uncle LOL .. Keefer is a grad of da worst of gooner Brampton hockey culture .. Shanny grew up in Mimico fist fighting virtually every day in school/lacrosse/hockey .. Keefer should do like Shanny and keep his trap shut .. let Dubie do all da talking .. it is never good when a goon jumps in front of da mike .. it never comes out politically correct .. but you are probably right he likely does not understand it .. makes me LOL when I hear Sheldon has found GOD

 

[The Masters]

Keefe is a moron.

 

[francis246]

I think it's a last gasp attempt by some to keep Dubas around.

lol.. I'm in the camp that think Dubas should have been fired this past off-season actually.. But I think that's what the leafs will use as the reasoning to give him an extension.

 

[francis246]

As I mentioned a couple of weeks ago, their relationship is one where Dubas had to find out about Matthew's disorderly conduct problems via twitter just like the rest of us.

I don't think that really says anything about Matthews relationship with the Dubas. All it says is he was 19 years old and stupidly immature. Relationships change and evolve. And to be honest, I'm not even sure Dubas would have been the first call even if Matthews had let the organization know. Probably would have been the team PR guy possibly, Shanny, team lawyer (i'm sure they have his number), team services guy, other personnel that work for the leafs we have no idea about.

 

[hotpaws]

lol.. I'm in the camp that think Dubas should have been fired this past off-season actually.. But I think that's what the leafs will use as the reasoning to give him an extension.

I seriously doubt the owners main goal in life in to find excuses so they can extend Dubas .

 

[francis246]

I seriously doubt the owners main goal in life in to find excuses so they can extend Dubas .

what? who said anything about main goal? The problem is, they waited too long to fire Dubas IMO. If they didn't want to extend him, I feel they should have let him go this summer. Why would you bring in a random 1 year out to deal with the mess Dubas created and task that person with signing someone he has no relationship with, period? (Unless they bring in someone who Matthews is familiar with). I can't see MLSE risking that. That's why I think Dubas if it comes down to it will fire Keefe to buy more time and MLSE will give him a 2 year extension. Sign Matthews and you get 1 year to retool/reshape the team with new cap space. Then he's gone.

 

[hotpaws]

I don't think that really says anything about Matthews relationship with the Dubas. All it says is he was 19 years old and stupidly immature. Relationships change and evolve. And to be honest, I'm not even sure Dubas would have been the first call even if Matthews had let the organization know. Probably would have been the team PR guy possibly, Shanny, team lawyer (i'm sure they have his number), team services guy, other personnel that work for the leafs we have no idea about.

he was a few months shy of his 22nd birthday not 19 when that happened , plenty old enough for him and his people to understand he should have informed his employers of what happened

 

[francis246]

he was a few months shy of his 22nd birthday not 19 when that happened , plenty old enough for him and his people to understand he should have informed his employers of what happened

i couldn't remember how old he was, again I'm not excusing what he did. That was a huge mess up. What I'm saying is him not telling the organization doesn't really speak to his relationship with Dubas, because Dubas likely isn't the first call anyways if he did decided to call. It would likely have been others, hell I think maybe a head coach or assistant coach gets that call before the GM. I'd assume it's probably team services guy in all honesty.

 

[egd27]

I don't think that really says anything about Matthews relationship with the Dubas. All it says is he was 19 years old and stupidly immature. Relationships change and evolve. And to be honest, I'm not even sure Dubas would have been the first call even if Matthews had let the organization know. Probably would have been the team PR guy possibly, Shanny, team lawyer (i'm sure they have his number), team services guy, other personnel that work for the leafs we have no idea about.

Perhaps, but you'd think his old man, agent, or his lawyer would have the maturity and good sense to let the team know what was going on even if he didn't.

 

[hotpaws]

what? who said anything about main goal? The problem is, they waited too long to fire Dubas IMO. If they didn't want to extend him, I feel they should have let him go this summer. Why would you bring in a random 1 year out to deal with the mess Dubas created and task that person with signing someone he has no relationship with, period? (Unless they bring in someone who Matthews is familiar with). I can't see MLSE risking that. That's why I think Dubas if it comes down to it will fire Keefe to buy more time and MLSE will give him a 2 year extension. Sign Matthews and you get 1 year to retool/reshape the team with new cap space. Then he's gone.

If they bring in a new GM he'd be fully aware of Mathews importance to the team , how the hell could anyone not ?

and Mathews holds all the cards including a full nmc in his final year so the negotiations are quite simple and straight forward , if he wants to sign , AM will dictate the terms and if he doesn't , all we can do is hope he'll inform us of that and provide a list of teams he'd be willing to be traded to instead of just playing out his final year and walking away

the biggest crock of shit excuse on here to extend him is that we need Dubas around to handle AM's negotiations

 

[hotpaws]

i couldn't remember how old he was, again I'm not excusing what he did. That was a huge mess up. What I'm saying is him not telling the organization doesn't really speak to his relationship with Dubas, because Dubas likely isn't the first call anyways if he did decided to call. It would likely have been others, hell I think maybe a head coach or assistant coach gets that call before the GM. I'd assume it's probably team services guy in all honesty.

AM not informing the team shows a lack of respect for those in charge , how anyone could not believe that is beyond me .

 

[francis246]

If they bring in a new GM he'd be fully aware of Mathews importance to the team , how the hell could anyone not be ?

and Mathews holds all the cards including a full nmc in his final year so the negotiations are quite simple and straight forward , if he wants to sign AM will dictate the terms and if he doesn't all we can do is hope he'll inform us of that and provide a list of teams he'd be willing to be traded to instead of just playing out his final year and walking away

the biggest crock of shit excuse on here to extend him is that we need Dubas around to handle AM's negotiations

I'm not sure why you keep taking the angle that I'm making excuses for Dubas or I somehow think he's deserving of an extension? All I'm saying is that pro sports whether we like it or not is predominately based on relationships and keeping star players happy. So if Matthews wants Keefe and Dubas in Toronto as his coach and gm that's what's most likely going to happen.

AM not informing the team shows a lack of respect for those in charge , how anyone could not believe that is beyond me .

lol, again never said it wasn't. I'm not sure what you're grasping at... you're arguing a completely different point than me right now

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Pretty sure they have some insane play driving stats, unless I am mistaken

What about the stats that actually matter

 

[hotpaws]

I'm not sure why you keep taking the angle that I'm making excuses for Dubas or I somehow think he's deserving of an extension? All I'm saying is that pro sports whether we like it or not is predominately based on relationships and keeping star players happy. So if Matthews wants Keefe and Dubas in Toronto as his coach and gm that's what's most likely going to happen.

why do you believe he's so attached to Keefe/Dubas ?

AM isn't an idiot , he knows full well every coach/GM will kiss his ass , that's how superstars are treated in every sport .