Keefe has lost them, and I'm not entirely sure it's all his fault either. Core players are a problem, team has zero, zero identity.
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That's what stings for me the most, window is this season and next. If Matthews bolts all bets are off. Keefe can only use what he has, but it's clear he and Dubas share a vision/attachment to certain players.
There was a good chunk of salary to move this off-season to badly retool this team on the fly but management had other ideas. Shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic at this point.
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Ianturnedbull
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Keefe's strange statements to the media and then back tracking twice was really curious.
It seems like someone (or several) on the team are out to get coach Keefe. Did Matthews/Marner not like Keefe benching Bunting?
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The way this team plays and behaves in certain, predictable trap game conditions, takes the foot off the gas, no shows the start of games/periods and tenses up in elimination games is a very distinct identity. We just want it to change...
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When teams start of each period in a fog...it's the coach most of the time that is responsible. He is supposed to get them geared up for each period. I think they have started the process of tuning him out completely. I see another 10 or so games of rope before he gets packing. Dubas will only do it if its bad enough that he has no choice but to fire him like Babs.
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Kallgren starting against the Sharks and likely again on the weekend back-to-back. This guy overlooks opponents and the team obviously rubs off on his arrogant attitude
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I think they’ve tuned him out as well, we can win in spite of that, but he seems diminished.
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All of the core assets are still under contract beyond this season though. It simply wasn't a now or never situation this offseason. there's still time for asset management type moves - be it Nylander or Marner or even Matthews if things don't go well this season-post season
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If that's the plan, it's a big mistake. Kallgren's just not very good. He's barely an AHL goalie and you're going to start him 2 out of 3 games when the team has been underwhelming? If it wasn't for Samsonov the score would have been 6-1 or more against Vegas. Big BIG mistake.
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I would love to say to everyone on this board that our great coaching will get us past our recent shortcomings (goals for, injuries, identity, heart, hustle, the power play, organizational depth, bottom 6, lack of toughness, defense, etc.), but I would be fool for posting that.
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I definitely saw this same core "coach-kill" when they didn't want Babs around anymore, hoping they haven't already tuned out Keefe but there's a lot of the same symptoms
Saying that tho I don't wanna see the season go down the drain and I think Liljegren will improve this team on his very first shift, especially in transition
That's what the overdrive guys were saying, haven't seen Keefe say it for sure tho
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So the Kings and Ducks games are back to back...
Does that mean they accidentally committed to Kallgren is starting 2 of the next 3 games with a back to back split? Or is Samsonov playing back to back in both those games?
Aren't back to back games generally to be avoided from a sports science, load management perspective?
Isn't the whole purpose of giving the Kallgren the Thursday start to give Samsonov a break?
But why are they giving Samsonov a break as he's breaking out and trying to establish himself as a number one?
Wouldn't a SJ, LA start and an Anaheim rest be the best game selection for Samsonov?
Of all the angles, starting Kallgren on Thursday seems to be the worst decision. Keefe is over thinking things. The way things are going, I wouldn't be surprised if he changed his mind tomorrow on the starts.
Does that mean they accidentally committed to Kallgren is starting 2 of the next 3 games with a back to back split? Or is Samsonov playing back to back in both those games?
Aren't back to back games generally to be avoided from a sports science, load management perspective?
Isn't the whole purpose of giving the Kallgren the Thursday start to give Samsonov a break?
But why are they giving Samsonov a break as he's breaking out and trying to establish himself as a number one?
Wouldn't a SJ, LA start and an Anaheim rest be the best game selection for Samsonov?
Of all the angles, starting Kallgren on Thursday seems to be the worst decision. Keefe is over thinking things. The way things are going, I wouldn't be surprised if he changed his mind tomorrow on the starts.
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As far as I can tell Samsonov is it. There is no other plan now. I think they need to play him as much as possible. I don't see any other way. What? We're hoping Murray will return, be healthy, and help TOR? Not with that injury history. Not with that glove hand.
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I'm confident Trotz would have a hard time with this team. The way it's been constructed has been a massive failure.
I think the only way this gets corrected is if JT's 11 million is moved.
Matthews and Marner and incredible talents. Nylanders contract is pure value right now with the way he's playing. We need a cheaper #2 centre so we can spread the rest of the money out on quality depth. Kadri's 7 million would be perfect there right now.
In 10 years time when Dubas's Maple Leaf career is looked back on, the Kadri trade will go down as his worst move.
IF he does.. i mean seriously what the f***. If no Samsonov injiry f*** that - that is just stupid.. i would thfeaten firing him just for thinking that
Most likely we do win in spite of that, and today's problems become murky - and then exposed in the playoffs.
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To a certain extent I feel for him, like look at this:
He looks like he's said it 1000 times but they won't listen, like he's fed up. Can't really blame him, his job is on the line and the players keep repeating bad habits
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That game was the single most infuriating display I think I've seen out of this core. Which is surprising, because we have seen so many
Up 2-1 on the defending champs, you have them weak with a chance to make it 3-1 going back to an insanely loud crowd. You pissed away an amazing chance the year prior in a historical collapse where you took your foot off the gas. You should be hungry and driven to put the champs on the ropes. Instead we came out limp and the game was over in 10 minutes, pathetic.
