Speculation: Sharks Roster Discussion Part 2

[Timo Time]

With a player like Duchene, even with little assets; as a GM you make it known you're interested. He'd be an amazing addition, it's just that a top-4 D (Braun) + a blue chip prospect is going the other way to even start.

 

[Juxtaposer]

If I'm remembering correctly, it's unfair to single out Winnik. It was a group picture and (Couture's) girlfriend was just next to Winnik among the others. I don't think there were any locker-room issues, just him being frustrated with Woodcroft's dumb systems.
I think any "locker-room issues" were fabricated after he left Anaheim, though like PF said, it could just as easily be him being hard to sign.

The other guys I remember where Murray and Clowe. Probably just a coincidence, but they were gone 20 games into the next season.

For me, when good players like Winnik, Versteeg, Parenteau, Stempniak keep bouncing around the league, I feel like there has to be something up. Every season signing those type of guys are always "steals", and yet their teams never re-sign them.

 

[Painful Quandary]

For me, when good players like Winnik, Versteeg, Parenteau, Stempniak keep bouncing around the league, I feel like there has to be something up. Every season signing those type of guys are always "steals", and yet their teams never re-sign them.

I think in Stempniak's case its usually because he gets traded as a rental somewhere, and then he ends up being unimpressive in the playoffs, or the team has cap issues, or in the case last year, the Bruins missed the playoffs. It's Dominic Moore syndrome so to speak.

 

[Juxtaposer]

I think in Stempniak's case its usually because he gets traded as a rental somewhere, and then he ends up being unimpressive in the playoffs, or the team has cap issues, or in the case last year, the Bruins missed the playoffs. It's Dominic Moore syndrome so to speak.

Could be. And I'm not trying to insinuate anything concrete, so don't go making a mountain out of the random idle speculation of some moron on a computer like last time.

 

[do0glas]

I do think we should be going for a significant add.

Landy. Duchene. Cammaleri etc. Just unquestioned ES producers. Not some. Wellllll maybs on the sharks?

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

So fairly certain that Heed gets his 1st NHL game tomorrow against the Flames. Thinking Jones still starts because it is a division game. But honestly, would rather see Dell.

 

[rangerssharks414]

So fairly certain that Heed gets his 1st NHL game tomorrow against the Flames. Thinking Jones still starts because it is a division game. But honestly, would rather see Dell.

I hope Dell starts tomorrow as well, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's Jones again.

 

[OrrNumber4]

Does anyone even bother to factor in salary in this Duchene fantasy?? Trade the farm for a guy who has 2 more years at 6 mil $. Whats he going to want on his next deal? 7+ would be a starting point. Pavs and Couture will both need deals at the same time as Duchene. Couture a raise and Pavs probably gets 6mil again unless he falls off the zamboni..
Landeskog on the other hand is signed for 4 more years at 5.75mil and a year younger.. I think I'd go after him. No reason he couldnt be a 30/30 player on this team. And he has better playoff numbers than Duchene

Duchene has scored 30 goals 1 time in his 8yrs in the NHL.. Doesn't seem like he's someone I'd invest the kind of booty some of you are throwing out there.

That is a problem the Sharks will eventually have to fix. Top-end, franchise-caliber forwards do not come cheaply. Thornton is an aberration; most of them will want 8+ million. To be frank, the fact that every player seems to take a bit of a discount with the Sharks makes me optimistic that Duchene would do the same. But if you want top-end talent, it comes with a high-end price tag.

Understand that Duchene would instantly be the 2nd best forward on the team, and 3rd best player on the Sharks. If Thornton's bout of poor play is more permanent, he'd go up by one.

As Dean Lombardi used to say, it isn't overpaying when you consider that without a certain asset, you cannot win a cup.

 

[Juxtaposer]

That is a problem the Sharks will eventually have to fix. Top-end, franchise-caliber forwards do not come cheaply. Thornton is an aberration; most of them will want 8+ million. To be frank, the fact that every player seems to take a bit of a discount with the Sharks makes me optimistic that Duchene would do the same. But if you want top-end talent, it comes with a high-end price tag.

Understand that Duchene would instantly be the 2nd best forward on the team, and 3rd best player on the Sharks. If Thornton's bout of poor play is more permanent, he'd go up by one.

As Dean Lombardi used to say, it isn't overpaying when you consider that without a certain asset, you cannot win a cup.

Bingo. If the Kings hadn't acquired Jeff Carter mid-season in 2012, not only would they have never won a Cup, but they'd be irrelevant right now. They traded Brayden Schenn, who was considered the best prospect in hockey (legitimately), and a promising young power-forward in Wayne Simmonds.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

According to Eklund:

On Doan....

Montreal continues to be a big player for Doan, but so does San Jose...

Not buying it.

 

[ScottyDont]

Bingo. If the Kings hadn't acquired Jeff Carter mid-season in 2012, not only would they have never won a Cup, but they'd be irrelevant right now. They traded Brayden Schenn, who was considered the best prospect in hockey (legitimately), and a promising young power-forward in Wayne Simmonds.

Carter didn't get traded for Simmonds and Schenn. In the long run the Richards trade was brutal, but they won the Cup twice, so you could say it was worth it. But if they kept Simmonds and Schenn, Jack Johnson and their 2013 1st rounder (which could have gotten them Mark Dano) i'd hardly say they'd be irrelevant.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

According to Eklund:



Not buying it.

DW has always had a bone for Doan (hehe).

Tried to acquire him many moons ago....or was that Deano? I dunno, one of them did.

 

[DonskoiDonscored]

A) it's Eklund
B) I'm not opposed but only if it's for a short term

 

[AgentCooper]

DW has always had a bone for Doan (hehe).

Tried to acquire him many moons ago....or was that Deano? I dunno, one of them did.

It was probably Doug. But "many moons ago" it would have been a decent idea.

 

[ScottyDont]

It was probably Doug. But "many moons ago" it would have been a decent idea.

Doan had 28 goals last year I mean... could be a fairly decent option for a Cup run addition. He's a UFA at the end of the season, he's played with Boedker... if Arizona retained salary... why not.

 

[Timo Time]

**** Shane Doan. Do not want him at all.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Carter didn't get traded for Simmonds and Schenn. In the long run the Richards trade was brutal, but they won the Cup twice, so you could say it was worth it. But if they kept Simmonds and Schenn, Jack Johnson and their 2013 1st rounder (which could have gotten them Mark Dano) i'd hardly say they'd be irrelevant.

Ah, right. I mixed up Carter and Richards. But the overall point still stands: the Kings don't win a Cup if they hadn't given up a huge package of youth for an established (at the time) star.

**** Shane Doan. Do not want him at all.

This is also my opinion. What can Doan do that's Ward can't?

 

[rangerssharks414]

I would rather not have Doan, either. I'm also happy that the Sharks didn't get him a few years back when they were one of the "finalists" to sign him.

 

[anthonyyy]

With everyone healthy, we honestly just have too many forwards to add Doan.

28-19-8
27-39-62
12-48-42
89-50-68

If Boedker continues to play well, we could even run two 3rd lines basically with our current 3rd line of 12-50-42 and 89-48-68. It's gonna be pretty sexy when Hertl comes back if Boedker plays well.

 

[Sideshow Raheem]

Joel Ward has no business being on the third line.

 

[Lebanezer]

So if Demelo, Schlemko and possibly Martin are all injured, does that mean it's finally time to call up Joakim Ryan??

 

[hohosaregood]

So if Demelo, Schlemko and possibly Martin are all injured, does that mean it's finally time to call up Joakim Ryan??

I think Martin's probably okay to go for the most part unless they want to rest an old man.

 

[Nolan11]

New crazy trade/expansion draft protection scheme:

Couture + Dillon + 1st for OEL + Hanzal

At the expansion draft, protect OEL, Burns, Vlasic, Braun, Sclemko, Pavelski, Hertl, Mueller and of course, Jones. (Leaving Tierney, Ward, Martin or Boedkker as likely draftees). Our line up this season looks like:

Marleau Thornton Meier
Donskoi Hertl Pavs
Boedkker Hanzal Labanc
Ward Tierney Karlsson
Wingels Haley

Martin Burns
OEL Braun
Vlasic - Schlemko
Demelo

Jones
Dell

With Goldobin and Mueller likely in next years line up

 

[rangerssharks414]

I don't think they'd give up OEL.

 

[Nolan11]

I don't think they'd give up OEL.

Yeah, probably not, but is Couture + late 1st = OEL if they were willing to?