The Nemesis
Semper Tyrannus
Welcome to the brand new 2024-25 Sharks Prospect Thread. After years of promising to do something fancy and interesting with the thread I’m finally delivering on it thanks to the motivation of having the most interesting prospect pool we’ve had in a while and finally having the team on a firm path to being focused on those prospects over the next few years.
The next few posts will go over all the prospects in the system. Inclusion in the list is based on the same criteria as the prospect ranking polls done by @Lebanezer – Players who start the 2024-25 NHL season (or at least make it to September-ish) younger than 25 years of age and who have played fewer than 40 NHL games coming into the 2024-25 season (basically a slightly more restrictive version of the Calder Trophy eligibility).
Yes, this probably means that some people you don't consider prospects are on the list. And that young NHLers you may wish to include with the prospects will not be featured. But if you have a problem with that then you can go make your own prospect thread
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To keep things organized and avoid issues with image limits or anything else, the content will be broken up across multiple posts as follows:
#1 (this post) - All the front-end/admin stuff. Introduction and info about the thread, responses to questions or things I presume someone's going to ask, etc.
#2 - An overview of the prospect pool in general, including some facts and figures about the players as a whole or in broad categories (forwards, d-men, and goalies)
#3 - The prospects, part 1: Centers. We kick off the meat of the thread by looking specifically at the centers as a group and individually.
#4 - The prospect, part 2: Wingers. Left and right wing players will be highlighted and grouped with their positions.
#5 - The prospects, part 3: Defensemen. You can tell how this works by now. The blueline will be split between left and right shooting members and examined accordingly.
#6 - The prospects, part 4: Goaltenders. See above, except it's goalies. Obviously.
#7 - This is being held for a specific project that I want to do but as it will require some more intensive photoshop work than anything else in the thread it's going to have to wait for me to get a new computer because this one struggled to handle the workload of just this thread.
#8 - One more held-in-reserve post for something else I may add. I have ideas but nothing has even been started so I won't go into any detail yet.
Now before we get into the meat of things, a few bits of info to ward off pedantry and nitpicking, spoiler tagged to keep the post size manageable:
#1) Inclusion in the thread.
As said above, a prospect being in this thread is based on the prospect poll criteria of <25 years old and <40 NHL games played prior to the beginning of the 24-25 season. It's a hard line with no waffling about exceptions or exclusions just to make things easier on me.
For the sake of making things easy to maintain and not causing too much chaos I will only be removing players from this thread if they leave the organization via trade, release, or relinquishing of their rights. So even if a player passes the age or GP threshold during the season they will stay here until the end of the year. If Celebrini and Smith are on track to hit 40GP by mid season it doesn't matter. When Georgi Romanov turns 25 4 and a half months after this thread launches I'm not going to drop him. Players will only be taken out if they are no longer Sharks (first likely example: Alex Young must be signed by August 15th, 2024. So we'll see what happens with him in about 2 weeks.) and players will be added if the team acquires someone who fits the criteria at the time of acquisition.
#2) Information sources & biographical info
Player info such as position, height, weight, age, hometown, contract status, etc. has been sourced from a combination of EliteProspects, HockeyDB, Hockey-Reference, PuckPedia, CapWages, and the team websites for the Sharks, Barracuda, or whatever team the player may be currently playing for.
I've done my best to be consistent in terms of getting all of the same type of data from the same place whenever possible, but I recognize that some things like hometown/place of birth or heights and weights may not match up everywhere you can find them. Hometowns in particular have been weird as I swear that some sites like EliteProspects changed their listings in the middle of me gathering that info (though I did double-check my listings against other stuff out there. For instance in spite of now being billed from Labrador City, Newfoundland, my original data scrape cited his home as Upper Tantallon, Nova Scotia. If you go to google you will find that there are numerous news articles and features from Nova Scotia papers and networks or from sites like TSN or the CHL's own website that still cite his hometown as Upper Tantallon. So I kept it as that for his info.
I reserve the right to decide when and if it is worth my time to make adjustements to the data presented. Obviously if you can find verifiable proof that I've made a significant screw-up I'll look into fixing it, but if it's just something like a listed height or weight being an inch or a couple of pounds off or presented with conflicting info from different sources I may decide it's not worth the time and effort to tweak.
#3) Player positions
This is often a particularly contentious bit of info because it can so easily be wrong. Guys can be listed as centers but play on the wing, or called a RW even though they line up on the left side a lot. The listings here are current based mostly on EliteProspects and are not meant to be expectations for the future. If you have an issue with a position listed you can either find me corroborated evidence to show the mistake or just choose to think about everyone here as simply forwards, d-men, or goalies with no breakdown within.
d-men are rarely listed as LD or RD on most websites so I made the distinction based entirely on handedness.
#4) Team listings
Before we get to the season the listings for what teams players are on for the upcoming season are best guesses unless there is evidence about their plans. For hte most part it's wherever they played last year unless there's known evidence that they're changing teams or it can be expected that they will be somewhere. I will try to fix these as we get into the season adn know more things for certain.
#5) Scouting Reports
The listed scouting reports for each player are cobbled together based on material I could find around the internet and synthesized into a (relatively) shot and snappy portrait of the positives and negatives of the player's skill and performance plus a sort of "realistically optimistic" view of their potential. For some guys that potential represents what the player should be. others is more of a most likely positive outcome (usually with players that have low or longshot ceilings).
If you have an issue with the content of these reports, provide some counterpoint info in defense of your objection. Otherwise just roll with the fact that this is what some scouts out there said at some time (I can't always guarantee these reports are up-to-date. Some are from draft years and there simply hasn't been much coverage of them in the years since then.
As said above, a prospect being in this thread is based on the prospect poll criteria of <25 years old and <40 NHL games played prior to the beginning of the 24-25 season. It's a hard line with no waffling about exceptions or exclusions just to make things easier on me.
For the sake of making things easy to maintain and not causing too much chaos I will only be removing players from this thread if they leave the organization via trade, release, or relinquishing of their rights. So even if a player passes the age or GP threshold during the season they will stay here until the end of the year. If Celebrini and Smith are on track to hit 40GP by mid season it doesn't matter. When Georgi Romanov turns 25 4 and a half months after this thread launches I'm not going to drop him. Players will only be taken out if they are no longer Sharks (first likely example: Alex Young must be signed by August 15th, 2024. So we'll see what happens with him in about 2 weeks.) and players will be added if the team acquires someone who fits the criteria at the time of acquisition.
#2) Information sources & biographical info
Player info such as position, height, weight, age, hometown, contract status, etc. has been sourced from a combination of EliteProspects, HockeyDB, Hockey-Reference, PuckPedia, CapWages, and the team websites for the Sharks, Barracuda, or whatever team the player may be currently playing for.
I've done my best to be consistent in terms of getting all of the same type of data from the same place whenever possible, but I recognize that some things like hometown/place of birth or heights and weights may not match up everywhere you can find them. Hometowns in particular have been weird as I swear that some sites like EliteProspects changed their listings in the middle of me gathering that info (though I did double-check my listings against other stuff out there. For instance in spite of now being billed from Labrador City, Newfoundland, my original data scrape cited his home as Upper Tantallon, Nova Scotia. If you go to google you will find that there are numerous news articles and features from Nova Scotia papers and networks or from sites like TSN or the CHL's own website that still cite his hometown as Upper Tantallon. So I kept it as that for his info.
I reserve the right to decide when and if it is worth my time to make adjustements to the data presented. Obviously if you can find verifiable proof that I've made a significant screw-up I'll look into fixing it, but if it's just something like a listed height or weight being an inch or a couple of pounds off or presented with conflicting info from different sources I may decide it's not worth the time and effort to tweak.
#3) Player positions
This is often a particularly contentious bit of info because it can so easily be wrong. Guys can be listed as centers but play on the wing, or called a RW even though they line up on the left side a lot. The listings here are current based mostly on EliteProspects and are not meant to be expectations for the future. If you have an issue with a position listed you can either find me corroborated evidence to show the mistake or just choose to think about everyone here as simply forwards, d-men, or goalies with no breakdown within.
d-men are rarely listed as LD or RD on most websites so I made the distinction based entirely on handedness.
#4) Team listings
Before we get to the season the listings for what teams players are on for the upcoming season are best guesses unless there is evidence about their plans. For hte most part it's wherever they played last year unless there's known evidence that they're changing teams or it can be expected that they will be somewhere. I will try to fix these as we get into the season adn know more things for certain.
#5) Scouting Reports
The listed scouting reports for each player are cobbled together based on material I could find around the internet and synthesized into a (relatively) shot and snappy portrait of the positives and negatives of the player's skill and performance plus a sort of "realistically optimistic" view of their potential. For some guys that potential represents what the player should be. others is more of a most likely positive outcome (usually with players that have low or longshot ceilings).
If you have an issue with the content of these reports, provide some counterpoint info in defense of your objection. Otherwise just roll with the fact that this is what some scouts out there said at some time (I can't always guarantee these reports are up-to-date. Some are from draft years and there simply hasn't been much coverage of them in the years since then.
If you have any other questions or concerns you can ask them in the thread. If you find any errors and I think it's warranted I may update the info in this post to reflect that as well.
(For the curious, "S" is the Roman Numeral notation for 1/2. This isn't a "full" section like everything that follows, so it doesn't get a whole number. Yes, it probably should've been IS for 1-1/2 but shut up, it's too late for me to want to fix it now because I have to do the more important stuff first)
In this segment we will keep track of the major changes that occur in this thread:
2024
July 29 - Version 1.0 - The thread is posted for the first time. There may have been some small edits for correction, I don't even remember at this point.
August 2 - Version 1.05 - Igor Chernyshov signs a contract with the Sharks and it is announced he will report to Saginaw of the OHL for the 2024-25 season.
August 24 - Version 1.2 - The culmination of a couple of weeks of changes sees the following alterations:
- Alex Young is removed after he is not offered a contract by August 15
- Ty Emberson is removed after being dealt to Edmonton in trade for Cody Ceci
- David Edstrom and Magnus Chrona are removed after being dealt to Nashville in trade for...
- Yaroslav Askarov and Nolan Burke are added after being acquired from Nashville in the aforementioned trade.
- Brandon Coe has his contract information updated to reflect that he has signed for the 2024-25 season (this leaves Egor Afanasyev as the only unsigned player with an expired contract (thus discounting unsigned draft picks))
- Leo Sahlin Wallenius is being loaned by the Vaxjo Lakers of the SHL to the Nybro Vikings of the Allsvenskan for the 2024-25 season
- All applicable charts and graphs are updated to reflect the various departures and arrivals listed above
- Added this version history tracker
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