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Shanahan gone Update May 22: contract will not be renewed

An opportunity to do what? He's an AGM likely making more than most GMs, so yes going to leave for the same position to make far less money?

I don't know? But plenty of execs have left various jobs to move to a new team. Wes Clark and Jason Spezza left for the same role and certainly not more money. It isn't always about the most money. It's possible he'd even be the GM there. He's probably earned a shot at it.
 
I don't know? But plenty of execs have left various jobs to move to a new team. Wes Clark and Jason Spezza left for the same role and certainly not more money. It isn't always about the most money. It's possible he'd even be the GM there. He's probably earned a shot at it.
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I want to know what happened to this guy? We were on such an upward promise trend and it’s just like everyone said no. We don’t grind, sacrifice any of that anymore. A steady decline.

He cares, our organization however has huge flaws. Shanny has to go.
 
NYI would be a good gig. All their picks. Owner will spend. Good core. Good setup IMO
Honestly there are no good options for us.

It is Shanny or Bergevin :/

I know he didn't exactly work out well for you guys, but he has to be an upgrade on Lou nonetheless.

What is it with the Islanders and TML cast offs?
 
Okay guys -

lay it on me.

What can we expect out of Shanny? Good, bad, the ugly, I would love your opinions.

Depends entirely on ownership and what they let him get away with.

Good:
- knows how to spend money if the owner allows him to
- Can attract executive talent if given the biggest platform in hockey and the ability to spend more than everyone else
Bad:
- Slimy politician that fades away and reappears whenever it's convenient, and will do anything to preserve his spot
Ugly:
- 0 asset management
- 0 talent assessment
- Unable to make ANY difficult decisions
- Unable to win any contract negotiations
- He will make statements like this:

And then follow it up with the worst contracts and selfish loser culture you could ever imagine
- Tried reinventing the game of hockey and provided nothing but the most embarrassing moments year after year while looking down his nose at everyone who dared question his Square Wheel Anti-Hockey Theory
- Wasted almost a decade of time and irreparably damaged the franchise

Overall? When the stakes are low and given an open checkbook he is able to surround himself with the most bloated executive team in hockey and is able to tank (congrats?). When it comes time to actually build and develop the team, and reap the rewards of tanking then the knives come out for anyone that disagrees with him and the team becomes a Yuppie Stasis Chamber where you see your favourite players walk out the door for nothing and the most gutless losers you've seen in your life put on a pedestal over all-time legends that are pillars that the franchise and league were built on.

But maybe he'll be better for the Islanders.
 
Isles fan in peace. FYI, the Isles search is being run by John Collins, who Shanahan worked for when he was in the NHL offices. Not sure if Collins also crossed paths with Pridham when Pridham worked for the NHL, but you have to think he'd at least be on the list of GM candidates if Shanahan is POHO. Patrick Burke was mentioned as a candidate for a lower position in the organization previously, and he worked for Shanahan in DOPS. And I'd think Matt Martin will retire and take a job in the organization. This is all just baseless speculation, but the pieces kind of fit, no?
 
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Okay guys -

lay it on me.

What can we expect out of Shanny? Good, bad, the ugly, I would love your opinions.

The honest answer is a guy who will come in, evaluate, come up with a vision, and then execute it but not open to changing his vision. I think he is actually pretty good option to bring in to rebuild, just need to get rid of him once the team shows it is ready to try and contend because he hasn't proven to be able to anything but derail promise after that
 


I want to know what happened to this guy? We were on such an upward promise trend and it’s just like everyone said no. We don’t grind, sacrifice any of that anymore. A steady decline.


He still exists, people just don't like him so they pretend he doesn't...
 
See ya.

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Depends entirely on ownership and what they let him get away with.

Good:
- knows how to spend money if the owner allows him to
- Can attract executive talent if given the biggest platform in hockey and the ability to spend more than everyone else
Bad:
- Slimy politician that fades away and reappears whenever it's convenient, and will do anything to preserve his spot
Ugly:
- 0 asset management
- 0 talent assessment
- Unable to make ANY difficult decisions
- Unable to win any contract negotiations
- He will make statements like this:

And then follow it up with the worst contracts and selfish loser culture you could ever imagine
- Tried reinventing the game of hockey and provided nothing but the most embarrassing moments year after year while looking down his nose at everyone who dared question his Square Wheel Anti-Hockey Theory
- Wasted almost a decade of time and irreparably damaged the franchise

Overall? When the stakes are low and given an open checkbook he is able to surround himself with the most bloated executive team in hockey and is able to tank (congrats?). When it comes time to actually build and develop the team, and reap the rewards of tanking then the knives come out for anyone that disagrees with him and the team becomes a Yuppie Stasis Chamber where you see your favourite players walk out the door for nothing and the most gutless losers you've seen in your life put on a pedestal over all-time legends that are pillars that the franchise and league were built on.

But maybe he'll be better for the Islanders.
Shanny Dubas Keefe all rookies learnt on the job f***ed then get plumb jobs in other organizations.
Answer for what you did Shanahan.
 
Not sure when Shanahan became a genious. He wasn't one in the past. Unless I missed that part of history. Guess he got hit by lightning and bacame a savant. Same with Trevliving (sp). What has he accomplished as far as winning cups? Calgary was willing to part with him. Toronto is using the definition of insanity by doing the same thing over and over and getting the same result. Time for a new paradym.
 
Not sure when Shanahan became a genious. He wasn't one in the past. Unless I missed that part of history. Guess he got hit by lightning and bacame a savant. Same with Trevliving (sp). What has he accomplished as far as winning cups? Calgary was willing to part with him. Toronto is using the definition of insanity by doing the same thing over and over and getting the same result. Time for a new paradym.
Shanny's greatest feat was failing fantastically. He offloaded whatever talent we had and tanked to get the core guys, paid handsomely for Tavares.
Still did not give us the desired outcome as in the end it was proven that unlike a fantasy roster, you can't just take the most skilled and expect to go all the way.
 
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Isles fan in peace. FYI, the Isles search is being run by John Collins, who Shanahan worked for when he was in the NHL offices. Not sure if Collins also crossed paths with Pridham when Pridham worked for the NHL, but you have to think he'd at least be on the list of GM candidates if Shanahan is POHO. Patrick Burke was mentioned as a candidate for a lower position in the organization previously, and he worked for Shanahan in DOPS. And I'd think Matt Martin will retire and take a job in the organization. This is all just baseless speculation, but the pieces kind of fit, no?
Just because Shanahan failed here doesn't mean he sucks at his job so he's probably not a bad hire for the position. His 1st time in that kind of position I believe and maybe he learned a lot and learns from it. At the end of the day he was loyal to a core that let him down and you can't get too mad at him for that. He hired a young GM to take over for Lou who was supposed to be the next best thing and the funny thing is signing Tavares probably hurt this teams natural rebuild and accelerated it which led to some bad moves afterwards. Then Covid hit and made that accelerated rebuild even worse because the cap didn't rise and now we were stuck with a 11 million dollar contract on a player who was great but not 11 million a year great. Long story short. Don't let people fool you that he's a bad hire because it didn't work out here. We might be upset because this core has failed but Shanahan and even Dubas tbh weren't the main reasons we have 2 series wins in his time here.

Also, the Islanders better not think about Pridham in any way. We won't let him leave.
 
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Just because Shanahan failed here doesn't mean he sucks at his job so he's probably not a bad hire for the position. His 1st time in that kind of position I believe and maybe he learned a lot and learns from it. At the end of the day he was loyal to a core that let him down and you can't get too mad at him for that. He hired a young GM to take over for Lou who was supposed to be the next best thing and the funny thing is signing Tavares probably hurt this teams natural rebuild and accelerated it which led to some bad moves afterwards. Then Covid hit and made that accelerated rebuild even worse because the cap didn't rise and now we were stuck with a 11 million dollar contract on a player who was great but not 11 million a year great. Long story short. Don't let people fool you that he's a bad hire because it didn't work out here. We might be upset because this core has failed but Shanahan and even Dubas tbh weren't the main reasons we have 2 series wins in his time here.

Also, the Islanders better not think about Pridham in any way. We won't let him leave.
The Isles biggest need is to create a modern front office structure - they're stuck in the 90s now because Lou probably liked it that way. Shanahan would probably be good at that part.

LOL at the Pridham comment. If Shanahan is hired, I'm sure he'd at least be interested in Pridham - and could TOR really deny permission if it was a promotion from AGM to GM? But yeah, money counts too. We'll see. Cheers!
 

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