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A1LeafNation said:
Shanahan fired doesn't mean we go back.

He was gifted a young Nylander Marner and Matthews squandered their prime.
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Agreed. I said this in another thread but the only part of his tenure that went right was the tanking/losing. When it was time to win the team was pretty inept and he was the last person in Toronto to realize it.

For me, he seemed more interested in building a family friendly/gentle/Botterill-approved brand of hockey than he was in actually winning.
 
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If power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely, what does that tell us about God?

Only a stupid person can't see that a position in power is the most prosperous criminal opportunity available. Lucky for those in power that the masses of the people are stupid. And wherever there is an ignorant mass you'll find the flag of an ignorant leader.

Up to the Montreal loss I blame Shanahan.

After that I blame the idiot who kept him around despite the lack of success. Somebody, somewhere, for some reason, must approve of the way Shanahan's presided over this team. Whoever it is obviously doesn't care about the results.

The Shanaplan has been the most expensive undertaking in team history.

We were led to believe our money was being spent properly in effort to buy a cup. A foolhardy lot we accepted it same as we always do. Ten years later and the fans no longer believe management has the capacity to lead this team into the promised land.

In God alone now we trust?
 
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I know what Shanahan was trying to do. I remember reading these articles. He and Dubas thought the game was transitioning to highly skilled, puck possession with less need for size and physical play.

It was a big failure and maybe ahead of it’s time because right now size and physicality wins in the playoffs

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The Shadow said:
I know what Shanahan was trying to do. I remember reading these articles. He and Dubas thought the game was transitioning to highly skilled, puck possession with less need for size and physical play.

It was a big failure and maybe ahead of it’s time because right now size and physicality wins in the playoffs

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I think they hoped to steer the league in that direction, fortunately it didn’t work. The NHL gets worse everyday and eventually the Stanley Cup will be won by players that have no business even looking at the trophy, let alone raising it above their heads. Personally, I’d like to see them retire the Cup and let them play for rings.
 
The Shadow said:
I know what Shanahan was trying to do. I remember reading these articles. He and Dubas thought the game was transitioning to highly skilled, puck possession with less need for size and physical play.
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It doesn't seem that you do, because what those articles (from 2015) are actually talking about and what you seem to think they are talking about are very different. They talk about the historical success of puck possession, going back decades, not the fact that the league has trended that way even more. They talk about the transition from Burke/Carlyle to Lou/Babcock, not Dubas. They talk about utilizing Europeans/Russians, not excluding size and physicality.
 
Dekes For Days said:
It doesn't seem that you do, because what those articles (from 2015) are actually talking about and what you seem to think they are talking about are very different. They talk about the historical success of puck possession, going back decades, not the fact that the league has trended that way even more. They talk about the transition from Burke/Carlyle to Lou/Babcock, not Dubas. They talk about utilizing Europeans/Russians, not excluding size and physicality.
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Please add me to ignore after this. I will do the same. I’m not interested in having these types of back and fourths when it’s clearly right there

You cannot understand what the article is saying and how Shanahan and Dubas had the same philosophy to trend towards more skill, smaller players (the draft history clearly shows this) and more of an East/West style. It was Shanahan who put the GM in place to do this and he removed Lou who had a different style

Yes the article was written before Dubas was hired and I didn’t say it wasn’t. It was Shanahan who brought everyone in. This is a Shanahan thread
 
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The Shadow said:
You clearly cannot understand what the article is saying and how Shanahan and Dubas had the same philosophy to trend towards more skill, smaller players (the draft history clearly shows this) and more of an East/West style.
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I understand what the article is saying. It wasn't what you were saying. Shanahan seeing the value of puck possession was about the historical success he and others had with it. We also never prioritized smaller players. We just stopped pointlessly neutering ourselves like we had under under Burke and Ballard.
The Shadow said:
It was Shanahan who put the GM in place to do this and he removed Lou who had a different style
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Shanahan hired Lou, lol.
 
The Shadow said:
I know what Shanahan was trying to do. I remember reading these articles. He and Dubas thought the game was transitioning to highly skilled, puck possession with less need for size and physical play.

It was a big failure and maybe ahead of it’s time because right now size and physicality wins in the playoffs

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Part 2:
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One of the underrated factors that made this all-skill utopia difficult to achieve in Toronto (and elsewhere) is offensive, star power led teams are very expensive. It's just necessary to have a better mix of size and defense because you need to have different ways of winning, and building on the blueline means you can concentrate your dollars on 4-5 guys and see more of an impact. They play more minutes and give you different strengths to fall back on. A club team simply can't afford that much offensive firepower to overcome weakness in every other ingredient.
 
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Stephen said:
One of the underrated factors that made this all-skill utopia difficult to achieve in Toronto (and elsewhere) is offensive, star power led teams are very expensive. It's just necessary to have a better mix of size and defense because you need to have different ways of winning, and building on the blueline means you can concentrate your dollars on 4-5 guys and see more of an impact. They play more minutes and give you different strengths to fall back on. A club team simply can't afford that much offensive firepower to overcome weakness in every other ingredient.
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Well said as usual my friend
 
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Seras said:
You cannot be gifted something you do yourself.

A gift is something received.


My point is that without him maybe we have Hanifin and the tough center who's name I can't recall rather than Nylander and Marner
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A monkey would have made those picks.

He squandered everything.
 
WilliamInLondon said:
Throw Strome to the list as well. A lot of people had him before Marner if the Coyotes went with Hanifin. I also remember a few people angling for Lawson Crouse as well.
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If Strome was there I am pretty sure he would have been the pick unless Hunter had a lot more influence than I think. They had Boz and Kadri as centers that season with no Matthews on the horizon and no idea if Willie had that potential. 1st legit #1 C since Sundin so I think even Hunter might have given in. I don't believe the Leafs would have considered Hanifin with those two forwards available and their best forward was already a RW.
 
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WilliamInLondon said:
Throw Strome to the list as well. A lot of people had him before Marner if the Coyotes went with Hanifin. I also remember a few people angling for Lawson Crouse as well.
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There was zero chance Hunter wasn't taking Marner as long as he was still available.
If Eichel had slipped they would have had a decision to make, is what I was told. Strome was never on their radar.
 
ACC1224 said:
There was zero chance Hunter wasn't taking Marner as long as he was still available.
If Eichel had slipped they would have had a decision to make, is what I was told. Strome was never on their radar.
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oh, I'm talking about the Leaf fans, not management. I think the Leafs were pretty dead set on Marner due to Hunter's influence. but from what I remember, most of the fans had Strome ahead of Marner and quite a few vocally upset that we missed out on him by one pick.
 
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WilliamInLondon said:
oh, I'm talking about the Leaf fans, not management. I think the Leafs were pretty dead set on Marner due to Hunter's influence. but from what I remember, most of the fans had Strome ahead of Marner and quite a few vocally upset that we missed out on him by one pick.
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What I am upset about is that Dubas never bothered to try and get Strome when he (stupidly) wasn't qualified by Chicago. Apparently Dubas and co. were never even interested or explored the possibility. Matthews-Strome-JT down the middle would be killer.
 
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I also remember there being a lot of buzz for trading down #4 for #7 and #24 with Philly and using #7 to take Provorov or Werenski and then getting a forward (Barzal, Konecny, Debrusk) just because the Leafs were a hot mess on D lol. The hot mess on D took about 9 years to sort out, but in hindsight obviously Marner at #4 worked out in a best case outcome.
 
1specter said:
What I am upset about is that Dubas never bothered to try and get Strome when he (stupidly) wasn't qualified by Chicago. Apparently Dubas and co. were never even interested or explored the possibility. Matthews-Strome-JT down the middle would be killer.
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yeah, I think everyone saw that Strome's last season in Chicago was a glimpse of a guy finally realising some of his potential and still on the right side of 25. It's not like there was an aversion to these buy-low players given the tryouts with Ho-Sang and Galchenyuk. Dubas just bet on the wrong horses.

In terms of drafting, I think the dumb one was trading down to draft Dermott when everyone wanted Konecny. And then missing out on Aho by one pick lol oh well.
 
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WilliamInLondon said:
yeah, I think everyone saw that Strome's last season in Chicago was a glimpse of a guy finally realising some of his potential and still on the right side of 25. It's not like there was an aversion to these buy-low players given the tryouts with Ho-Sang and Galchenyuk. Dubas just bet on the wrong horses.

In terms of drafting, I think the dumb one was trading down to draft Dermott when everyone wanted Konecny. And then missing out on Aho by one pick lol oh well.
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Yes passing on Konecny was a big blunder. Got too cute with that one - also Dermott was selected one spot before Aho, so they could've taken him. Brandon Carlo was also selected 3 picks later
 
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